Other kind of hit

Gavris Narcis · Post by **Gavris Narcis** » Mon Apr 16, 2001 7:41 am

Hi !

Do you know if was/is possible to destroy a tank by hit with a large HE shell by break apart his turret ring (killing the turret crew members) ?
I read some stories about WWII but after ''confruntation'' with somebody on forum I just I don't know about this ! It was really possible or not ? If it is, in which form the game simulate this (if doing this, of course, maybe not !).
Thank you.

Leo.

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Apr 16, 2001 7:59 am

I answered this on the other thread where you brought it up.

Supervisor · Post by **Supervisor** » Mon Apr 16, 2001 7:22 pm

A lot of good ideas thrown around out here. Here's my 2 cents.

Spread the word on other forums. Don't just assume that people are aware of what great work is going on here. I regularly visit 2 other forums & always post info on new Matrix games there. In our hobby, word-of mouth carries great weight.

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KG Erwin · Post by **KG Erwin** » Mon Apr 16, 2001 7:52 pm

I agree with you 100% on that, Al. You may have seen me on a few of the Wargamer forum topics. I even posted a plug for SPWaW on the Age of Kings Heaven forum a while back. "Have you heard the news, there's good gaming tonight", to slightly alter one of my favorite 50s rockers.

Viriato · Post by **Viriato** » Mon Apr 16, 2001 7:56 pm

hello all , has far has I know a large sized HE shell can on a direct hit and dependind on how far it is , simply knock out or even tear up the armour of AFVs thus destroing it.

Gavris Narcis · Post by **Gavris Narcis** » Tue Apr 17, 2001 7:35 am

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
I answered this on the other thread where you brought it up.

I know you answered on the other thread but ''foggy'' for me. Only I ''succeed'' to know on this, is that you don't believe that it is possible to destroy a tank by an HE shell (force from cinetic energy + force of explosion) who hit the turret and cause this to be breaked apart from hull ! Especially true for medium tank it was indeed a real event !!
The tank was ''wipped out of service'' because the crewmembers inside the turret where all killed in this situation ! It survives only the driver and only when this has place in hull not in turret ! But in most those cases even the driver was killed because of the explosion of the ammo when the turret was breaked !!! Of course, it was exceptions, but a few ones !!

Leo.

Mike Wood · Post by **Mike Wood** » Tue Apr 17, 2001 8:35 am

Hello...

A non-penetrating hit on the turret ring by a large HE round can destroy a tank in SPWAW.

Hope this Helps...

Michael Wood
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Originally posted by Gavris Narcis:
I know you answered on the other thread but ''foggy'' for me. Only I ''succeed'' to know on this, is that you don't believe that it is possible to destroy a tank by an HE shell (force from cinetic energy + force of explosion) who hit the turret and cause this to be breaked apart from hull ! Especially true for medium tank it was indeed a real event !!
The tank was ''wipped out of service'' because the crewmembers inside the turret where all killed in this situation ! It survives only the driver and only when this has place in hull not in turret ! But in most those cases even the driver was killed because of the explosion of the ammo when the turret was breaked !!! Of course, it was exceptions, but a few ones !!

Leo.

murx · Post by **murx** » Tue Apr 17, 2001 8:21 pm

I had indeed a hit from a 75mm HE shell from a PzIVe against a H-39.
The message was something like 'Turret ring hit - tank destroyed'
So it is possible in the game to destroy a tank that way. But it only happened once while playing yet. (Version 4.5)

murx

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » Tue Apr 17, 2001 11:57 pm

Knocked out a Matilda once in the desert w/ a 150mm HE round. About the only way I could kill the things! :p

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Wed Apr 18, 2001 1:12 am

It happened in real life, and it happens in the game!

THe latest build has a revised HEAT and HE penetration function that now accounts in a general way for teh kinetic energy portion of an HE rounds penetrting ability, so they will be more dangerous up close. So you should see this more often in ver 5 (Big HE blowing things up real good)

HEAT now will tend to have a penetration closer to its max (usually within 20% +/- but it can go a low as 60% and if it gets "tipped" or tumbles in flight it will not be oriented properly at impact and do much worse.

Gallo Rojo · Post by **Gallo Rojo** » Wed Apr 18, 2001 3:26 pm

I have read that Otto Carius (a tanker from 502th SchPzAbt) destroyed a T-34 at 200mts using HE shell with delayed fuse after running out of AP ammos. I think that he shouted it over T-34’s grill.

Larry Smith · Post by **Larry Smith** » Fri Apr 20, 2001 4:12 am

While the administators have replied, I thought I'd add my $.02 worth. While a turret ring hit, by any round with sufficient effective penetration should disable (if not kill) a tank (by jamming the turret traverse gears-it is a very delicate mechanism, when compared to the tank itself), an HE non-penetrating hit can KO a tank if the round has sufficient explosive power. The concussion is transmitted through the armour, killing or incapacitating the crew. Smaller HE hits can have the same effect hitting tanks that are not buttoned up. Open topped vehicles are even more vulnerable. Eg: loaded halftrack hit by grenade is not adversely effected, but occupants bail out with very high suppression-explosions in enclosed areas have a magnified effect. This is why grenades can be very effective VS entrenchments, troops in buildings, pillboxes, etc.. The concussion echoes off the walls, and adds to itself. Getting back to tanks, HE hits that do not penetrate can cause spalling (the interior surface breaks off and flies about just like shrapnel)-hence, the HEP round that the British Army still uses to this day. All this has most likely been taken into account in the game's engine. I hope this helps you, Gavris!