Groundhog Day! - No NJP

[Mike McCreery]

Supply issues never materialized for the inner circle of Chungking. So, here is the supply solution. Take all the bases in a 270 degree arc around Chungking and dump 1.5 million supply into the area. Problem solved :]

[Mike McCreery]

Manchuko

3 large armies are moving south in Manchuko. The group with 2155 AV will proceed down to Taonan and then southwest to Lioyuan. The middle stack will proceed down trough Taonan and head to Changchun. The stack of 3484 will proceed through Tsitshar move south and then hook right to harbin south of the river.

[Mike McCreery]

Chungking Falls... Again...

[Lowpe]

Did all of the Chinese troops spawn at Chengtu?

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Did all of the Chinese troops spawn at Chengtu?

Yep

[Mike McCreery]

It can be said that on the last day of February 1945, Japan left it all on the field.

[Lowpe]

A turkey shoot!

[Mike McCreery]

Manchuko - End of February 1945

NJP owns 10 cities in Manchuria still. Only 2 of them are really key cities. Harbin has a lot of aircraft and armament factories. Mukden is heavy urban and also has armament factories. The overall plan is for the Russians to swing down and take Changchun and then move back east to finish off Harbin before moving west.

Hopefully, the allies can handle Mukden along with moving down the coast.

Port Arthur just finished resistance giving me a lvl 9 port for bombardment runs.

[Lowpe]

Is there anything left of the Japanese Navy?

[Mike McCreery]

China end of February 1945

There are about 60 units isolated around Hankow. The chinese troops are moving outwards relieving garrisons for the british and Indian troops to move east. Within a week there will be a major battle at Wuchang, forcing the defenders out of that city.

The area to the west contains 16-20 units of troops mostly from the defeat of Chungking.

[Mike McCreery]

Score Feb 28 1945

I have been managing to keep NJP at or below 70,000 but that will come to an end soon as he cant lose many more points for bases.

The overall plan still allows for combat operations to continue in Manchuko and Korea through June of 1945. The invasion of the mainland of Japan is planned for early July.

This timetable could be speeded up by developments on the continent.

[Mike McCreery]

In a surprise move, NJP abandons Harbin. This is gonna hurt the empire...

[BBfanboy]

Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.

He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.

He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.

I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.

He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.

I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.

He completely took out China, that was his big VP draw.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Wargmr




He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.

I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.

He completely took out China, that was his big VP draw.

Right, but I completely took out China against Bullwinkle and my LCU VPs against him are not 30K. Granted, we're almost a year behind, but I also "harvested" a fair amount in Australia. China might've been 10K, maybe. I don't think he got out more than 4-5 Corps, at most. The rest got killed. Some of it more than once.

So he really didn't kill many Russians, then?

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna




I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.

He completely took out China, that was his big VP draw.

Right, but I completely took out China against Bullwinkle and my LCU VPs against him are not 30K. Granted, we're almost a year behind, but I also "harvested" a fair amount in Australia. China might've been 10K, maybe. I don't think he got out more than 4-5 Corps, at most. The rest got killed. Some of it more than once.

So he really didn't kill many Russians, then?

Back on page 23 I noted the LCU points just before he started attacking Russia. IT was 23.5K So overall since then 6.5K for everything on the map including Russia. The only really big victory he had was against a big stack that tried to run but he paid a quite heavy price there too.

[Lokasenna]

Gotcha.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Abandoning Harbin may be a smart move. When you take the base it will likely flip to an occupation rather than a combat attack, so the industry will not be damaged and you will be stuck with aircraft factories you cannot use, instead of converting them to vehicle factories. I am not sure if the Chinese can make any use of the HI points produced.

He left a unit that I was able to attack. All the aircraft factories disappeared to be replaced by .... nothing.

I have the HI and LI factories but nothing else. The Russians took it over, not the Chinese.

I think that's as it's supposed to be. Allied aircraft factories will get converted to VEH/ARM factories (I think), while Japanese aircraft factories just go poof.

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, other than checking in a few times a while back once I heard about the Russia thing. Honestly, even though he's going to get beat out of China in short order, it looks like he got a LOT of LCU VPs this game. Was it from invading Russia? That's a lot of VPs for the Allies to make up, and if it was from Russia it changes the calculus from "Definitely don't ever invade Russia, ever" to "Eh, maybe..... but only if you can harvest VPs." Maybe.

Must be a recent change. Before I upgraded last April or so to the latest official version I was taking Japanese held bases and if the base was taken by combat the aircraft, engine and armament factories all became vehicle factories, and the merchant/naval shipyards became repair shipyards. There was some reduction in the number of industry points with the changeover. But if the base flipped by occupation, the industries did not switch type and there was no loss of the number of industry "points of production".
I was never able to determine if the vehicle factories actually made any vehicles for my pools. The captured aircraft factories and merchant/naval shipyards produced nothing.