Lambs to the slaughter (Lowpe (J) vs Jocke; BillBrown (A)) Finished
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RE: Manila Falls
Those AKs are pretty solid. Faster, harder to hit than your standard xAKs.
RE: Manila Falls
Turn is away, and I am kind of resting in Burma/India theater. Continuing my gradual pull back from India and into Burma.
For the first time Rangoon is reconned by the Allies and they see several hundred planes, Cruisers, Light Cruisers, oh my!
I wonder if Jocke is adding up the air strength I have here? I am moving it around a fair bit, so it might seem even greater than he thinks.
Soon additional airbase will be hitting size 2: Prome, Bass.., Tuongo, etc, etc. These size two runways are important for my Lilly divebombers to work from.
I am attacking at Chengtu, and I think there is a 50-50 chance of taking the base. I am shocking with the armor & deliberate attacking with the infantry. Hopefully there is clear weather for the bombing runs.
At the Kienko roadblock our attack is repulsed again with equal losses, but 2 out of 3 Chinese corps are almost at 0 AV. I will rotate troops and try again in 4 days supply willing. Once this roadblock falls the assault on Chungking really begins.
For the first time Rangoon is reconned by the Allies and they see several hundred planes, Cruisers, Light Cruisers, oh my!
I wonder if Jocke is adding up the air strength I have here? I am moving it around a fair bit, so it might seem even greater than he thinks.
Soon additional airbase will be hitting size 2: Prome, Bass.., Tuongo, etc, etc. These size two runways are important for my Lilly divebombers to work from.
I am attacking at Chengtu, and I think there is a 50-50 chance of taking the base. I am shocking with the armor & deliberate attacking with the infantry. Hopefully there is clear weather for the bombing runs.
At the Kienko roadblock our attack is repulsed again with equal losses, but 2 out of 3 Chinese corps are almost at 0 AV. I will rotate troops and try again in 4 days supply willing. Once this roadblock falls the assault on Chungking really begins.
RE: Manila Falls
You've converted me to OneNote. I checked it out for non-WITP purposes a while back based on your recommendation. I'm starting a new Japan game and I've decided that I need to use it to keep all of my plans straight, since everything is so scattered at game's start.
What are your transport aircraft doing? Got any around China? You can use that to help keep your guys in the woods in supply for attacks maybe a day earlier than you would otherwise be able to do so...
What are your transport aircraft doing? Got any around China? You can use that to help keep your guys in the woods in supply for attacks maybe a day earlier than you would otherwise be able to do so...
RE: Manila Falls
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
You've converted me to OneNote. I checked it out for non-WITP purposes a while back based on your recommendation. I'm starting a new Japan game and I've decided that I need to use it to keep all of my plans straight, since everything is so scattered at game's start.
What are your transport aircraft doing? Got any around China? You can use that to help keep your guys in the woods in supply for attacks maybe a day earlier than you would otherwise be able to do so...
Who are you playing?
Man, I love onenote. It would be far more tedious to keep notes some other way, and it is so easy to add pictures and annotate. The tab system to create folders is very handy.
Every one of my transports is flying. Troops back from the Ledo area; in China they fly aviation support and engineers forward. All patrols are resting and repairing for the upcoming West Coast op.
RE: Manila Falls
2nd Week of December
One more big city to take...
One more big city to take...
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RE: Manila Falls
Losses very moderate for Japan.[:)]
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I would be interested in reading Jocke's AAR on the defense of China.
I can remember urging him, I think, to try some different things there, but if memory serves Jocke has been very defeatist about China.
I am amazed I was able to take Chengtu with only two attacks.
I am amazed at all the ripe areas to be defended that weren't ... or minimally.
I think when I "snowballed" down the Ankang road that really took a lot out of the Allies. But when defending with SL, you simply can't stack a deep defense with all the troops that can fit. You have to plan the retreat...and I don't think the Allies did that.
Now the question is how much do I race to take Kunming to Burma. I am thinking the Tanks are going to that way while the artillery and infantry get bogged down at Chungking. I would like to clear the road to Burma now, while Ledo is in my hands. I have been prepping and moving troops that way for a while, but everything takes longer in China than you think.
Anyhow, it is a good day with the capture of Chengtu!
I can remember urging him, I think, to try some different things there, but if memory serves Jocke has been very defeatist about China.
I am amazed I was able to take Chengtu with only two attacks.
I am amazed at all the ripe areas to be defended that weren't ... or minimally.
I think when I "snowballed" down the Ankang road that really took a lot out of the Allies. But when defending with SL, you simply can't stack a deep defense with all the troops that can fit. You have to plan the retreat...and I don't think the Allies did that.
Now the question is how much do I race to take Kunming to Burma. I am thinking the Tanks are going to that way while the artillery and infantry get bogged down at Chungking. I would like to clear the road to Burma now, while Ledo is in my hands. I have been prepping and moving troops that way for a while, but everything takes longer in China than you think.
Anyhow, it is a good day with the capture of Chengtu!
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RE: Manila Falls
My experience playing Jocke with SL in China was the road to Kunming was the hardest. The low stacking limits here really favour the Chinese. As the Japanese, you are limited to one, maybe two divisions at best and all the armour and artillery you can provide. The 20-25k SL hexes in 3x defensive terrain with forts are the tough nuts to crack. At least in my experience.
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Don't mistake lack of talent for genius - Peter Steele (Type O Negative)
RE: Manila Falls
I am not sure that China can beat off the Japanese in this scenario 2 style mod. But allocating the Tank Divisions to China means they aren't in India or Australia.
The Guards Tank Division is the only reinforcement I shipped to China since taking the game over from Olorin.
This unit spawns I think at Cam Ranh Bay, and at the time I sent it to Canton and it drove north. Pretty much unstoppable, especially when it was paired up (very briefly) with the 1st or 2nd Tank division.
The Guards Tank will now go to Kunming, which I didn't really think thru otherwise the prep would be different. I will try to grab those three key towns with a very tank heavy force and then they will have the choice of back to China cleanup or defense against the Allied horde in Burma.
The Guards Tank Division is the only reinforcement I shipped to China since taking the game over from Olorin.
This unit spawns I think at Cam Ranh Bay, and at the time I sent it to Canton and it drove north. Pretty much unstoppable, especially when it was paired up (very briefly) with the 1st or 2nd Tank division.
The Guards Tank will now go to Kunming, which I didn't really think thru otherwise the prep would be different. I will try to grab those three key towns with a very tank heavy force and then they will have the choice of back to China cleanup or defense against the Allied horde in Burma.
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The Allies got another shot, this time hitting with a torpedo on a xak....
"Hit, but no explosion."
Surely, Jocke is crying in his beer. However, I am enthused that he saw the LSD...this is near Alliford Bay. I am working hard to deceptively sell something while doing many other things.
Did that make sense?
"Hit, but no explosion."
Surely, Jocke is crying in his beer. However, I am enthused that he saw the LSD...this is near Alliford Bay. I am working hard to deceptively sell something while doing many other things.
Did that make sense?
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RE: Manila Falls
ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
My experience playing Jocke with SL in China was the road to Kunming was the hardest. The low stacking limits here really favour the Chinese. As the Japanese, you are limited to one, maybe two divisions at best and all the armour and artillery you can provide. The 20-25k SL hexes in 3x defensive terrain with forts are the tough nuts to crack. At least in my experience.
I just pondered the SL and you are correct. Kunming is a must take for the industry.
RE: Manila Falls
Jocke is off for the weekend, so I hope to have plenty of time to really focus in on the important tasks at hand.
In about 10 days I want to launch the West Coast invasion.
In about 10 days I want to launch the West Coast invasion.
RE: Manila Falls
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
You've converted me to OneNote. I checked it out for non-WITP purposes a while back based on your recommendation. I'm starting a new Japan game and I've decided that I need to use it to keep all of my plans straight, since everything is so scattered at game's start.
What are your transport aircraft doing? Got any around China? You can use that to help keep your guys in the woods in supply for attacks maybe a day earlier than you would otherwise be able to do so...
Who are you playing?
Man, I love onenote. It would be far more tedious to keep notes some other way, and it is so easy to add pictures and annotate. The tab system to create folders is very handy.
Every one of my transports is flying. Troops back from the Ledo area; in China they fly aviation support and engineers forward. All patrols are resting and repairing for the upcoming West Coast op.
I'll be playing ArtoK again, this time with me as Japan and him as the Allies.
About OneNote... do you know of a way to do the following? I'll probably google when I get home and explore some things, but as I'm organizing forces I'm wondering if I could create some tables on the page for things like air units or land units for each target/theater/whatever, fill in the info (AV, support, or number of planes, etc.) and then be able to drag/drop lines from one table to another to help balance out my marching orders for each vector. Does that make sense? I was thinking it might be possible, you can actually almost do it in Word (so long as the tables have the same basic setup in terms of columns/formatting).
RE: Manila Falls
I am pretty sure you can as you can chose what kind of information you are cutting and pasting.
RE: Manila Falls
A few notes on Army bombers:
I have 22 squadrons allocated to bombing Chungking. Sounds like a lot, but fifty percent are Sonia/Ann squadrons. 11 squadrons are Helens or Sallies (mostly Sallies). That is 22 squadrons bombing 43 units. Should be pretty darn powerful. I am thinking it will take 8 weeks of attacks on Chungking for the city to fall.
Currently, most are resting with the exception of the Sonias. They will start the bombing campaign after a few days R&R.
I have allocated 8 Army squadrons to ASW training work. Primary goal will be the China route. These pilots are all experience land bombing pilots so they can pull double duty in a pinch. For example, I have three Sally/Helen squadrons that are in Alaska and can bomb Portland and also do ASW.
I have allocated 3 Sonia's to Naval Search in choke point areas.
I have allocated 8 Squadrons for Lilly Dive Bombing squadrons/training. Set up a centralized training facility at Fusan. Currently, only have two squadrons flying dive bombers, and neither is full strength. Skill 70 pilots are trickling into each and they are currently working on Naval Search while the planes repair and pilots arrive. 7 of the 8 Squadrons will go to the defense of the SRA/Burma while the 8th will go to Rabaul area. Subject to change.
A couple of Ida squadrons are training low naval bombing. I have 170 skill 70 low naval army pilots in the pools now.
I have 22 squadrons allocated to bombing Chungking. Sounds like a lot, but fifty percent are Sonia/Ann squadrons. 11 squadrons are Helens or Sallies (mostly Sallies). That is 22 squadrons bombing 43 units. Should be pretty darn powerful. I am thinking it will take 8 weeks of attacks on Chungking for the city to fall.
Currently, most are resting with the exception of the Sonias. They will start the bombing campaign after a few days R&R.
I have allocated 8 Army squadrons to ASW training work. Primary goal will be the China route. These pilots are all experience land bombing pilots so they can pull double duty in a pinch. For example, I have three Sally/Helen squadrons that are in Alaska and can bomb Portland and also do ASW.
I have allocated 3 Sonia's to Naval Search in choke point areas.
I have allocated 8 Squadrons for Lilly Dive Bombing squadrons/training. Set up a centralized training facility at Fusan. Currently, only have two squadrons flying dive bombers, and neither is full strength. Skill 70 pilots are trickling into each and they are currently working on Naval Search while the planes repair and pilots arrive. 7 of the 8 Squadrons will go to the defense of the SRA/Burma while the 8th will go to Rabaul area. Subject to change.
A couple of Ida squadrons are training low naval bombing. I have 170 skill 70 low naval army pilots in the pools now.
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RE: Manila Falls
Interesting on the Lily DB. Do you have this amount of Sentai focussed on it as you're PDU Off or because you rate it anyway? I've just decided to produce 30 per month in my game and aim to have 3 x Sentai equipped at present (PDU On)
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RE: Manila Falls
ORIGINAL: Speedy
Interesting on the Lily DB. Do you have this amount of Sentai focussed on it as you're PDU Off or because you rate it anyway? I've just decided to produce 30 per month in my game and aim to have 3 x Sentai equipped at present (PDU On)
That is just about what I'm doing. It's a bit more one dimensional than the other 2E IJAAF bombers as the load has so little effect against land targets per plane/pilot lost.
The Peggy(T) is probably the best for dual use, and is quicker to target than the others, so more have potential to get through.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
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RE: Manila Falls
Yup I'm R&Ding 3 x 30 Peggy T facs on them but only 1 is fully repaired and producing as of 8/43
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PDU off, only two Sentai go Peggy T.
11 Sentai go Lilly IIb.
Lilly IIb is a good plane, comes early, and flies from a size 2 runway, with a range of 9-11, and can hit destroyers. Pilots easily trained ahead of time.
I doubt I have enough production to do all 11 Sentai, but I might if losses are low...
11 Sentai go Lilly IIb.
Lilly IIb is a good plane, comes early, and flies from a size 2 runway, with a range of 9-11, and can hit destroyers. Pilots easily trained ahead of time.
I doubt I have enough production to do all 11 Sentai, but I might if losses are low...