Rumble in the Southwest witpqs-A vs Andav-J 2011-11-29 to 2017-02-08

[witpqs]

Okinawa.

[witpqs]

1945 January 22

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:


Imperial Naval Bombardments


Allied Naval Bombardments:



Our subs are conducting secret activities.

The ground battles in China.

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Ground combat at Chaochow (81,61)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 564 troops, 0 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 56

Defending force 1630 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Allied adjusted assault: 21

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
708th Amphib Tank Battalion
776th Amphib Tank Battalion

Defending units:
20th RGC Division
30th RGC Division


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Ground combat at 71,50 (near Kunming)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 8986 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 415

Defending force 4491 troops, 26 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 113

Allied adjusted assault: 388

Japanese adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 29 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
604 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
193 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
20th Recon Regiment
116th/B Division
55th Engineer Regiment


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Ground combat at 72,50 (near Kweiyang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21521 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 259

Defending force 1219 troops, 2 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 270

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 270 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
878 casualties reported
Squads: 13 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 168 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
68th Chinese Corps
73rd Chinese Corps

Defending units:
22nd/A Division


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The surprise was that our division which crossed into Ichang (in Move mode) did not shock attack, indicating that the defenders there have no AV. We attack tomorrow.

Near Pucheng there is maneuvering by both sides, with the Empire having superior forces on scene for the moment.

Zombie eradication in the Philippines.

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Ground combat at Bacolod (79,85)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1849 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 104

Defending force 793 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Allied adjusted assault: 90

Japanese adjusted defense: 25

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
75 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Commando Brigade

Defending units:
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy
33rd Field Const Co
53rd Const Co


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Night air battles!

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Night Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 98,64

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 89 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M2a Betty x 5

Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 4
F6F-3N Hellcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2a Betty: 3 damaged
G4M2a Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Pasadena

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x G4M2a Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VMF(N)-533 with F6F-3N Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes
VMF(N)-534 with F6F-3N Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
418th NFS with P-61A Black Widow (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes

Some CAP have air radar
Banzai! - Sugiyama A. in a G4M2a Betty is willing to die for the Emperor


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Night Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 98,64

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 9

Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 4
F6F-3N Hellcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Kalao
CL Cleveland

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B6N1 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VMF(N)-533 with F6F-3N Hellcat (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
VMF(N)-534 with F6F-3N Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
418th NFS with P-61A Black Widow (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead

Some CAP have air radar


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Night Air attack on TF, near Amami Oshima at 98,64

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 107 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 29 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 15

Allied aircraft
P-61A Black Widow x 1
F6F-3N Hellcat x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Converse
DD Colahan

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

CAP engaged:
VMF(N)-533 with F6F-3N Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
VMF(N)-534 with F6F-3N Hellcat (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 14 minutes
418th NFS with P-61A Black Widow (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 7000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes

Some CAP have air radar


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Night Air attack on TF, near Tokunoshima at 98,65

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DE Tabberer
DE Walter C. Wann
DE Richard W. Suesens

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp



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Night Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 98,69

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 damaged
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
DE Raymond
DE Manning

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp



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None of your ships were hit and some attackers were destroyed. Some of those were destroyed by night CAP.

I misspoke in an earlier post. It is two of the USN Iowa class fast BB that have sys damage over 10, all other USN fast BB have sys damage under 10.

China.

[witpqs]

Philippines.

[witpqs]

Okinawa.

[witpqs]

Today's air losses. Well piloted Spitfire VIIIs caught Imperial Helens with a very large escort and still ripped through them. BTW, notice the flak losses to recon planes: they are flying at 25,000 ft. Should I increase that to 30,000 ft?

[BBfanboy]

I used Black Widows in a Downfall scenario game and was disappointed with them. Did yours get any of the Jill kills? Or any other types for that matter.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I used Black Widows in a Downfall scenario game and was disappointed with them. Did yours get any of the Jill kills? Or any other types for that matter.

I don't know what groups got the kills. From reading AARs it seems that the real value of night fighters is disrupting incoming attacks.

[RogerJNeilson]

Do you know what he has got in Chungking?

Roger

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

Do you know what he has got in Chungking?

Roger

Chungking
17 units
60,340 troops
454 guns
182 AFV

Chengtu
8 units
42,060 troops
197 guns
30 AFV

I included Chengtu because it is the other re-spawn location that would unlock all the queued Chinese Army units. There are another
3 units
23,280 troops
90 guns
8 AFV
on the way back to Chengtu that I am trying very hard to cut off and destroy before they get there.

Chengtu is definitely the target. I suspect it will have lesser fortifications, too.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I used Black Widows in a Downfall scenario game and was disappointed with them. Did yours get any of the Jill kills? Or any other types for that matter.

I don't know what groups got the kills. From reading AARs it seems that the real value of night fighters is disrupting incoming attacks.

Can you just tell me how many kills are showing on the unit screen for the Black Widows? That would tell me whether they are getting any kills at all.
Disruption is OK, but with that big radome up front and very heavy armament I had hopes they could locate and shred any bomber that came near.

[RogerJNeilson]

We could all start playing guessing games as to what that means in terms of units... in China there's quite a range of units that could be there, but I guess a 'Tank' division plus a lot of admin type units plus fighting units. May be a few artillery as well given the number of guns. This is reference to Chungking.

No intel yet on them?

Roger

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I used Black Widows in a Downfall scenario game and was disappointed with them. Did yours get any of the Jill kills? Or any other types for that matter.

I don't know what groups got the kills. From reading AARs it seems that the real value of night fighters is disrupting incoming attacks.

Can you just tell me how many kills are showing on the unit screen for the Black Widows? That would tell me whether they are getting any kills at all.
Disruption is OK, but with that big radome up front and very heavy armament I had hopes they could locate and shred any bomber that came near.

2 kills. No kill for either of the two Hellcat groups.

[SqzMyLemon]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

BTW, notice the flak losses to recon planes: they are flying at 25,000 ft. Should I increase that to 30,000 ft?

I've been bumping up the altitude for recon flights as well. I started at 20k, but have recently bumped that up to 25k. The losses to FLAK seem too high in my opinion. I have no idea on how vulnerable these missions were to FLAK in real life, but it seems like a very dangerous job in this game.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

ORIGINAL: witpqs

BTW, notice the flak losses to recon planes: they are flying at 25,000 ft. Should I increase that to 30,000 ft?

I've been bumping up the altitude for recon flights as well. I started at 20k, but have recently bumped that up to 25k. The losses to FLAK seem too high in my opinion. I have no idea on how vulnerable these missions were to FLAK in real life, but it seems like a very dangerous job in this game.

Even at max altitude for Japan, Flak losses of recon planes is super high.[:(] Of course, AA concentrations are probably a lot stronger than in real life. Just guessing, tho.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

We could all start playing guessing games as to what that means in terms of units... in China there's quite a range of units that could be there, but I guess a 'Tank' division plus a lot of admin type units plus fighting units. May be a few artillery as well given the number of guns. This is reference to Chungking.

No intel yet on them?

Roger

I haven't look at SigInt for those locations. I figure I'll see it as I get to each of them and it's not really to influence what I bring because the main effort is elsewhere.

[witpqs]

1945 January 23

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:
Allied forces CAPTURE Chaochow !!!
Allied forces CAPTURE Ichang !!!

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Terempa

Imperial Naval Bombardments


Allied Naval Bombardments:



Our subs are conducting secret activities.

China = action!

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Ground combat at Changsha (82,52)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35470 troops, 399 guns, 137 vehicles, Assault Value = 1073

Defending force 10480 troops, 121 guns, 45 vehicles, Assault Value = 237

Allied adjusted assault: 920

Japanese adjusted defense: 375

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
922 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 67 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
607 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Assaulting units:
6th New Chinese Corps
9th Australian Division
II Australian Corps
517th Field Artillery Battalion
544th Field Artillery Battalion
208th Field Regiment

Defending units:
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
22nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd South Seas Det.
26th AA Regiment
9th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
10th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion


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Ground combat at Chaochow (81,61)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 564 troops, 0 guns, 109 vehicles, Assault Value = 56

Defending force 1223 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Allied adjusted assault: 37

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 37 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Chaochow !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
565 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
708th Amphib Tank Battalion
776th Amphib Tank Battalion

Defending units:
20th RGC Division
30th RGC Division


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Ground combat at Ichang (83,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12417 troops, 161 guns, 125 vehicles, Assault Value = 329

Defending force 233 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Allied adjusted assault: 158

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 158 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Ichang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
251 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
17th Motorised Division
17th Indian Light AA Regiment

Defending units:
4th RGC Route Brigade


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Ground combat at 71,50 (near Kunming)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5136 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 403

Defending force 3825 troops, 18 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Allied adjusted assault: 56

Japanese adjusted defense: 10

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
7th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
116th/B Division
20th Recon Regiment
55th Engineer Regiment


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Changsha is about to fall and our troops are in the same shape as yesterday, so the attack continues tomorrow. The 17th Motorized Division will head right out of Ichang across the river to hold the crossing for the armour while paratroops fly in for security at Ichang. Violated the garrison requirement at Kunming - too busy look at newly captured bases!

Those old E types lack the dash of destroyers.

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Nago at 96,64, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E No.2, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
E No.20, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
E No.42, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
E No.44, Shell hits 12, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Pasadena
CL Mobile, Shell hits 1
DD DeHaven
DD John Hood

Poor visibility due to Rain
Maximum visibility in Rain: 15,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CL Mobile engages E No.44 at 12,000 yards
CL Pasadena engages E No.44 at 12,000 yards
DD John Hood engages E No.44 at 12,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.2 at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.44 at 8,000 yards
CL Pasadena engages E No.42 at 8,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.20 at 8,000 yards
CL Pasadena engages E No.2 at 8,000 yards
Matsuki M. orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range closes to 6,000 yards
Massive explosion on E No.20
CL Mobile engages E No.20 at 6,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.42 at 6,000 yards
E No.20 sunk by CL Mobile at 6,000 yards
E No.2 sunk by CL Mobile at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
CL Mobile engages E No.44 at 5,000 yards
E No.42 sunk by CL Mobile at 5,000 yards
E No.44 sunk by DD John Hood at 5,000 yards
Combat ends with last Japanese ship sunk...


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They did not arrive until daylight, which pretty much sealed their fate.

China.

[witpqs]

Philippines.

[witpqs]

Okinawa.

[witpqs]

Air losses. Our own sweeps reduced what was either leaking CAP or LRCAP at the point of attack, then the enemy bombers were caught some with, and some without escort.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon

ORIGINAL: witpqs

BTW, notice the flak losses to recon planes: they are flying at 25,000 ft. Should I increase that to 30,000 ft?

I've been bumping up the altitude for recon flights as well. I started at 20k, but have recently bumped that up to 25k. The losses to FLAK seem too high in my opinion. I have no idea on how vulnerable these missions were to FLAK in real life, but it seems like a very dangerous job in this game.

That may not be unrealistic. I saw a documentary about photo recon (European theatre, mostly British) and apparently being a recon pilot was one of the most dangerous jobs there was in the air force. Both flak and fighters were an issue, as was operational loss (high speed operations = more mechanical problems).
Often, recon was also at the limits of range.