Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

EDIT: Nevermind

Which is a lot smarter than your original post.

Nobody here is purposefully manipulating data toward a US bias and it really is annoying to be accused of it.

Mike

[Hongjian]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

EDIT: Nevermind

Which is a lot smarter than your original post.

Nobody here is purposefully manipulating data toward a US bias and it really is annoying to be accused of it.

Mike

Never even implied that.

Thought this as a bug.

[mikmykWS]

No you didn't. You were very clear you thought somebody made a change from one db version to the next. [:)]

Anyways that was a day or two ago so old news. Lets move forward and focus on the good stuff!

Thanks!

Mike

[SASR]

The US Navy will not get to field its new Anti-Ship Tomahawks until 2021; currently the service date is 2015 in the DB. Apparently it is taking them a while to test and integrate the new seeker.

From:
https://news.usni.org/2016/02/18/west-u ... ng-in-2021
http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/tomahawk/

[SASR]

USAF Eagles getting an EW upgrade. EPAWSS Increment 1 will reach IOC in 2021-2022 for the F-15C/D/E. Increment 1 will replace the current TEWS RWR and DECM


IOC reference from GAO, Page 156 of the below PDF.
From: http://www.gao.gov/assets/680/676281.pdf

According to program officials, software development and
integration of the electronic warfare system with all other on-board and off-board systems are risk areas that
could affect the Air Force's ability to have the required number of assets ready in time for the projected initial
operational capability in 2021.

From: http://www.i2insights.com/library/defen ... %20a-R.pdf

To further improve schedule, affordability and program risk outcomes, and consistent with the
JROC approved CDD, the F-15 EPAWSS program will pursue a two-increment acquisition approach. Increment 1 replaces the existing Radar Warning Receiver, Internal Countermeasures System and Countermeasures Dispenser System. Increment 2 adds a towed decoy / angle countermeasure capability.

Thanks.

[SASR]

The TB-34 towed sonar array has replaced the TB-16 on the Seawolf, Los-Angeles, and Virginia-class submarines. Production deliveries started in Q2 2011 and will end Q4 2017 after operational testing ended in 2010.

From: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... 10tb34.pdf

The Navy completed operational testing of the TB-34 towed array in accordance with the DOT&E-approved test plan in January 2010 and DOT&E issued a classified Beyond Low‑Rate Initial Production (BLRIP) report on the test results in November 2010.

From: http://www.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y201 ... B_2013.pdf
Page 12

TB-34 Production Deliveries 2 2011 4 2017

From: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... 10tb34.pdf

The TB-34 towed array is intended to replace the legacy TB‑16 tactical towed array, and provides additional hydrophones for future capability in passive sonar processing. The array is intended to provide improved capability for Anti-Submarine Warfare and contact avoidance in cluttered littoral environments as well as maintain the U.S. Submarine Force’s Ready for Issue fat-line towed array inventory

Fixed

[thewood1]

This one might be an edge case between CWDB and DB3k.

A couple of Iraqi PBs, like the P-6 and Osa I/II are in CWDB, but not in the DB3K. Some of these were left in 1980/81 and participated in a couple significant operations. I could just use them from the CWDB, but other Iraqi and Iranian units are then missing from the CWDB. The simplest would be to just copy the units from CWDB to DB3k. I think there might be others in this situation around the Iran-Iraq War around 1979-1981. I think in general, the 1979 -1981 timeframe needs some review. I just happened to notice these units because I was building a specific scenario.

Also Unit #1226 La Combattante II with RGM-84 (RGM-84 is in the title) is missing the RGM-84 in DB3k. I will doublecheck, but these ships might need to be in CWDB also. (Nevermind...I missed the Mk 140 launchers)

I'll also post in CWDB.

[mikmykWS]

Updated our work list to here. Thank you all who submitted.

Mike

[skjold89]

The Tapper class #2923 should have 6x depth charges.

Sources:
http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/informa ... at-typ-80/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mrn0x1 ... be&t=1m50s

[thewood1]

Seems like every small patrol boat or corvette carried SA-7s for air defense. They proved somewhat effective, shooting down a couple phantoms and Mig-23s. Is there a way to have some permanently attached to smaller patrol boats in the 1980 to 1990 time-frame. I have been ading them manually, but it seems like they were common enough in the Iran-Traq war to warrant having permanent ones.

[Lnestig]

http://defense-update.com/20160522_gripen_e.html/2

Is it possible to add some new JAS 39E/F loadouts?
4 RB-15 anti ship missiles plus 2x IRIS-T, 2x Meteor & 1x external fuel tank
12 & 16 GBU-39 SDB plus 2x IRIS-T, 2x Meteor & 1x external fuel tank
6 GBU-12 and GBU-49 plus 2x IRIS-T & 1x external fuel tank

For reference se the article above side 2.

Maybe you can add a couple of hypotetical loadouts as well
2 Taurus KEPD-350 plus 2x IRIS-T, 2x Meteor & 1x external fuel tank
6 & 12 Brimstone plus 2x IRIS-T, 2x Meteor & 1x external fuel tank
2 & 4 RB-15F Mk3 plus 2x IRIS-T, 2x Meteor & 1x external fuel tank
8, 12 & 16 SDB II

Thanks in advance, you are doing a great job guys.

[Broncepulido]

Remember some photos of Gripen E with 3xMeteor in belly mounts.

[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: SASR

All LCSs after LCS-17 (commissioning in 2019) will receive a rotating version of the C-band TRS-4D AESA as well as SeaRAM to replace the current Mk.49 RAM launcher on all freedom-class ships after LCS-17.

Found this link in one of my text notes: http://northamerica.airbus-group.com/no ... rview.html

[Mgellis]

Requesting (for a scenario involving a conflict between Indonesia and Australia in 2021)...

Nagabanda-class submarine
Indonesia
Operational dates: 2017-
Pennants: KRI Nagabanda (403); KRI Trisula (404); KRI Nagaransang (405)

As far as I can tell, this is an improved Chang Bogo class. The Chang Bogo is already in the database (#224). The main changes seem to be improved sensors...

"DSME signed a contract with Indonesia on for the supply of three Improved Chang Bogo-class submarines. These submarines will be equipped with Atlas Electronic CSU 90 hull-mounted passive and active search-and-attack sonar and flank sonar arrays, Indra's Pegaso RESM system and Aries low-probability of intercept radar, L-3's MAPPS integrated platform management systems and Sagem's Sigma 40XP inertial navigation systems." --Wikipedia

Thanks for considering this one.

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_Bog ... _submarine
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... orea-rokn/
http://www.aseanmildef.com/2016/03/sout ... ic-of.html
http://www.mapps.l-3com.com/newsletters/MCN22.pdf
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=1371

[jun5896]

It is batch II frigate and launched today. Ship name is Daegu(FFG-818), It will active in 2017

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ates-.html
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ffx ... tes-05239/
https://rhk111smilitaryandarmspage.word ... nt-page-1/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ok/dw-3000.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... -specs.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incheon-class_frigate
http://themess.net/forum/military-discu ... ii-frigate

K-VLS SAAM

http://themess.net/forum/military-discu ... nterceptor
http://www.janes.com/article/55433/adex ... ce-by-2018

[Mgellis]

Another platform for the Indonesian navy...

(Not much is available for this one, but I tried to dig up what I could...maybe there is enough for a "first draft" version of the platform to be included?)

KRI 625 Klewang
Trimaran KCR Fast Missile Patrol Vessel (FMPV)
Indonesia
Service dates: Unclear...possibly 2017- ??? (the first vessel was delivered in 2012, but burned in a fire only about a month later!)
Pennants: None named besides the ill-fated first vessel in the class, but four ships to be delivered (including a replacement for the one that burned)

GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS
Carbon composite construction (stealthy, low radar signature), trimaran wave piercing hull (very stable, I would guess)
Displacement: 219 tons
Length Over All: 63.0 meter
Length of Waterline: 61.0 meter
Beam Overall: 16.0 meter
Water Draft: 1.2 meter
Sprint Speed: 35 knots
Range: 2000+ nm @ 16kts
Fuel Capacity: 50,000 litres
Machinery
4 x MAN Marine Diesels
4 x MJP 550 waterjets
Ships Company: 23
Trainees/Others: 7
» Saab RBS15 Mk3 anti-ship missiles (unclear how many...maybe 4...one source says up to 8 C-705 missiles, but these are smaller than the RBS15)
» BAE Systems Bofors 40Mk4 40mm main gun
» Saab Sea Giraffe LT radar
» Saab CEROS 200 radar and optronic tracking system
» Saab 9LV Combat management system
1 x 11-m RHIB


"The vessel is powered by four MAN V12 diesel engines, driving multiple MJP 550 water jets, located on the three for maximum propulsive thrust and maneuverability. The vessel can develop a ‘sprinting’ maximum speed of 35 knots. Cruising speed is 16 knots and the stated operational range is over 2000 nautical miles....The Klewang is armed with concealed gun turret, missile launchers and small arms posts. Trimarans offer very stable weapons platforms, and can carry various Missile systems; including Type 705 (up to 8), RBS15, Penguin or Exocet, and 40-57mm Naval Guns, or a CIWC (Close In Weapon System). These can be mounted high on the superstructure, giving better range and firing arc. Sensors can also be installed high up without concerns for stability. This first ship will carry a turnkey system delivered by CSOC and CPMIEC China, including rapid fire CIWS, combat control and missile systems. The exact configuration of this system is still classified....Accommodation is provided for a complement of twenty nine (officers and crew) on three internal decks (including bridge and combat control centre), with facilities and equipment also provided for deployment of special forces troops, including an 11m high speed 50 knot RIB, also manufactured and supplied by North Sea Boats." --http://defense-update.com/20120906_kri- ... -navy.html

"The Fast Missile Patrol Vessel (FMPV) employs a modern “Wave Piercing” trimaran design. This allows the vessel to cut-through waves rather than rise up and over them, and the increased beam provides inherent stability. This combination of features reduces both pitching and rolling, creating a stable weapons platform, and enabling the vessel to comfortably and safely maintain higher average speeds in adverse conditions....The FMPV has “Stealth” design characteristics, and incorporate features that minimise detection by reducing Radar, Infra-Red, Acoustic and Magnetic signatures. Stealth properties are further improved as there are no reverse-angle bow overhangs to reflect radar signals, as seen on conventional hull forms. Weaponry, including missiles and naval guns, and the ships 11 m high-speed RHIB, are discreetly concealed or shaped to meld into the superstructure profile." -- http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -navy.html

Sources
http://defense-update.com/20120906_kri- ... -navy.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... imaran.htm
http://www.newshub.co.nz/world/kiwi-cod ... 2012093013
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... tions.html

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Another platform for the Indonesian navy...

(Not much is available for this one, but I tried to dig up what I could...maybe there is enough for a "first draft" version of the platform to be included?)

KRI 625 Klewang
Trimaran KCR Fast Missile Patrol Vessel (FMPV)
Indonesia
Service dates: Unclear...possibly 2017- ??? (the first vessel was delivered in 2012, but burned in a fire only about a month later!)
Pennants: None named besides the ill-fated first vessel in the class, but four ships to be delivered (including a replacement for the one that burned)

GENERAL SPECIFICATIONS
Carbon composite construction (stealthy, low radar signature), trimaran wave piercing hull (very stable, I would guess)
Displacement: 219 tons
Length Over All: 63.0 meter
Length of Waterline: 61.0 meter
Beam Overall: 16.0 meter
Water Draft: 1.2 meter
Sprint Speed: 35 knots
Range: 2000+ nm @ 16kts
Fuel Capacity: 50,000 litres
Machinery
4 x MAN Marine Diesels
4 x MJP 550 waterjets
Ships Company: 23
Trainees/Others: 7
» Saab RBS15 Mk3 anti-ship missiles (or
» BAE Systems Bofors 40Mk4 40mm main gun
» Saab Sea Giraffe LT radar
» Saab CEROS 200 radar and optronic tracking system
» Saab 9LV Combat management system
1 x 11-m RHIB


"The vessel is powered by four MAN V12 diesel engines, driving multiple MJP 550 water jets, located on the three for maximum propulsive thrust and maneuverability. The vessel can develop a ‘sprinting’ maximum speed of 35 knots. Cruising speed is 16 knots and the stated operational range is over 2000 nautical miles....The Klewang is armed with concealed gun turret, missile launchers and small arms posts. Trimarans offer very stable weapons platforms, and can carry various Missile systems; including Type 705 (up to 8), RBS15, Penguin or Exocet, and 40-57mm Naval Guns, or a CIWC (Close In Weapon System). These can be mounted high on the superstructure, giving better range and firing arc. Sensors can also be installed high up without concerns for stability. This first ship will carry a turnkey system delivered by CSOC and CPMIEC China, including rapid fire CIWS, combat control and missile systems. The exact configuration of this system is still classified....Accommodation is provided for a complement of twenty nine (officers and crew) on three internal decks (including bridge and combat control centre), with facilities and equipment also provided for deployment of special forces troops, including an 11m high speed 50 knot RIB, also manufactured and supplied by North Sea Boats." --http://defense-update.com/20120906_kri- ... -navy.html

"The Fast Missile Patrol Vessel (FMPV) employs a modern “Wave Piercing” trimaran design. This allows the vessel to cut-through waves rather than rise up and over them, and the increased beam provides inherent stability. This combination of features reduces both pitching and rolling, creating a stable weapons platform, and enabling the vessel to comfortably and safely maintain higher average speeds in adverse conditions....The FMPV has “Stealth” design characteristics, and incorporate features that minimise detection by reducing Radar, Infra-Red, Acoustic and Magnetic signatures. Stealth properties are further improved as there are no reverse-angle bow overhangs to reflect radar signals, as seen on conventional hull forms. Weaponry, including missiles and naval guns, and the ships 11 m high-speed RHIB, are discreetly concealed or shaped to meld into the superstructure profile." -- http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... -navy.html

Sources
http://defense-update.com/20120906_kri- ... -navy.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... imaran.htm
http://www.newshub.co.nz/world/kiwi-cod ... 2012093013
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... tions.html

HI Mark. I think this ship burned in a fire a few years ago. This is why I never added it.

Can you verify that its still around?

Mike

[Mgellis]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk


HI Mark. I think this ship burned in a fire a few years ago. This is why I never added it.

Can you verify that its still around?

Mike

Yes, the original one burned in a fire, but apparently they were going to build four of them. After the fire, the order got put on hold, I guess. (Indonesia is not revealing much information. The nerve of some people!) This article, from 2014, says a new one was ordered, but I have no idea how reliable it is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3136580/posts

Just the idea of a flotilla of four stealthy missile boats, each with up to eight missiles, is pretty scary! That could really ruin someone's day.

If there isn't enough information to add it, that's okay; I'm roughing up a two-week scenario involving Australia and Indonesia in 2021, so I thought it would be good to include, but Indonesia has plenty of other missile boats. (By 2021, I could assume, if need be, that the trimaran gets canceled and they just build more of the other patrol/missile craft.)

[Dysta]

I wanted to propose it long ago, but the burned first boat made made me couldn't do it. Searching for more news about its latter production and such are nothing until now.

It might looks very advance, but the missile is very under-ranged because they are C-705 (as rumors suggested, they might looking for better alternatives, but none has found so far). The missile boat is suppose to be the Launch-n-Leave platform like an interceptor, and sneaking closer to the opponent fleet will be soon exposed as soon as they've fired.

[SASR]

Fantastic PDFs on the SPY-6 and Arleigh Burke Flight III, if you need it:

http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/7 ... troyer.pdf
http://www.raytheonretirees.org/wp-cont ... 7/AMDR.pdf

The SPY-6 getting fitted to the Flight III (37 RMA version) will have twice the range of the SPY-1 and is described as having a 15 dB advantage over it in that configuration.

Current SPY-1 Range in the DB ---->175nm
Current SPY-6 Range in the DB----->250nm
New SPY-6 Range------------------->350nm

Gallium Nitride must be some pretty insane stuff.

IHS Janes 360:
http://www.janes360.com/images/assets/7 ... troyer.pdf

"We know what we need to do," said Capt Vandroff. "We need to get a SPY +15 dB radar onto a DDG 51
hull and deliver it to the fleet. Every other one of those requirements after that, some of them might be
nice but we might say, 'I'm not taking that stuff today. I'm going to do something else. I'm going to keep
the risk low.' So the only technology that's getting on [Flight III] is something that's already ripe and ready
right now."

Employing full digital beamforming, the AN/SPY-6(V) will have more than double the range of the SPY-1,
support efficient and precise search and tracking using multibeam operation, and provide robust BMD
detection and discrimination. Fundamental to this leap in performance is the use of Gallium Nitride (GaN)
semi-conductor technology.

Raytheon:
http://www.raytheon.com/news/feature/7_ ... d=24715563

AMDR provides greater detection ranges and better discrimination accuracy than the radar onboard today’s destroyers. In fact, the 37 RMA configuration (see cool fact #3) can see a target of half the size at twice the range.