Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: SASR

Current SPY-1 Range in the DB ---->175nm

Hold on! That sounds very familiar...

Current Type 346A Range in the DB -> 175nm
(from some Google searches that only mentioned 052D's 346A is comparable to SPY-1, which is only presumed they're the same performance in detection range)

So the ship-borne APAR is still just as good as PPAR in detection range, if just with hardened anti-jam capability based on the CMANO mechanics.

Then I look again from 346 APARs from 052C and Liaoning, wow, 25nm less. No wonder the air defense is a bit worse than land-based HQ-9 (180nm).

[skjold89]

With the excellent new port mechanics i thought to myself that a "Single-unit Naval Base" including a magazine and air facilities (rotary only) would be neat.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Skjold

With the excellent new port mechanics i thought to myself that a "Single-unit Naval Base" including a magazine and air facilities (rotary only) would be neat.

Already on our list. Thanks!

Mike

[Mgellis]

Two more requests and then I promise I'll go away for a while. [:)]

First, it looks like Indonesia is going to purchase 8-10 Su-35Ss from Russia.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/02/confirme ... hter-jets/
http://thediplomat.com/2016/05/indonesi ... ts-in-may/

The Su-35S is already in the database (#2689 and #4232) but I do not know if the Indonesian versions will have any changes. I also am not sure when these aircraft would actually enter service. Operational dates: 2018- ????

(For scenario design, this is simply a convenience...the aircraft is already available, so one could just use the Russian ones...eventually, it would be more accurate if the export version can be included so that any differences between versions (different radar, etc.) can be taken into account. I suppose it also makes sense to get the platform in the database and then fix anything that has to be fixed as new data comes in.)

Second...and this is not needed for the scenario I am working on right now but would be nice to have eventually...

KAI KF-X

This is being jointly developed by Indonesia and South Korea, and both countries will operate them. Eventually.

Operational dates: 2025-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_KF-X
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/kf- ... am-010647/
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft ... ft_id=1035

Not surprisingly, not much information is available, but perhaps a baseline version can be added to the database and then tweaked as more information becomes available?

Thanks for considering these.

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

KAI KF-X

This is being jointly developed by Indonesia and South Korea, and both countries will operate them. Eventually.

Australia won't be happy to hear this, and will demands a supervision if SK really want to deliver stealth fighters to the most populated Muslim country in SE Asia region.

But I think selling KFX to Indonesia is aimed for fueling the arm race, to make ASEANs consider stealth fighters as well. It will be a devasting chain effect for clouding the sky with ninjas. If that's what Indonesia wants, then Australia should understands it might not be the bad thing entirely.

[Anathema]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

ORIGINAL: mikmyk


HI Mark. I think this ship burned in a fire a few years ago. This is why I never added it.

Can you verify that its still around?

Mike

Yes, the original one burned in a fire, but apparently they were going to build four of them. After the fire, the order got put on hold, I guess. (Indonesia is not revealing much information. The nerve of some people!) This article, from 2014, says a new one was ordered, but I have no idea how reliable it is.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3136580/posts

Just the idea of a flotilla of four stealthy missile boats, each with up to eight missiles, is pretty scary! That could really ruin someone's day.

If there isn't enough information to add it, that's okay; I'm roughing up a two-week scenario involving Australia and Indonesia in 2021, so I thought it would be good to include, but Indonesia has plenty of other missile boats. (By 2021, I could assume, if need be, that the trimaran gets canceled and they just build more of the other patrol/missile craft.)

According to local sources Indonesia are building another with a few differences that is due for commissioning this year, although local sources are often a little dubious and cannot be relied upon, but is the best data I have found. The gun is reportedly being replaced with a Saab Bofors 40mm Mk IV, the C-705 SSMs are replaced with a Saab RBS-15 Mk III missiles and the sensors are now a Giraffe LT and Ceros 200.

http://indonesiafeldgrau.blogspot.com.au/2016/02/the-second-kri-klewang-first-indonesian.html (In Bahasan Indonesian but google translate does a good job of translating it.)

[MR_BURNS2]

Loadout error

#10165, as used by various Su-25´s is supposed to be a S-25O loadout, but uses the S-25B instead.





Fixed

[Dysta]

Kazakhstan AF has been unveiled their purchased Wing Loong I UAV from China... wait, where's Kazakhstan in the database??

http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/466683.html

[mikmykWS]

How could we forget kazahkstan!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFP-MktgOKU

[Pancor]

Hello Everyone

it looks the P-8A Poseidon #2705,3685,4427,4428 has AN/ALQ-240(V)1 ESM + AN/ALQ-213 EWMS + AN/AAQ-24 and AN/AAR-54

From
http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articl ... cence.html
http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabili ... fault.aspx
https://globenewswire.com/news-release/ ... ature.html
https://firangionindia.wordpress.com/20 ... enclature/
http://www.bga-aeroweb.com/Defense/P-8-Poseidon.html
http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articl ... ector.html
http://aviationweek.com/site-files/avia ... ssier1.pdf

Thanks

[nocacounsel]

Hi, All-
Britain's Sentry AEW.1 [E-3D] (units #97 and #587 in DB444) are missing the second form of refueling hookup (probe refueling) they are capable of:

"The E-3D is the only aircraft in the RAF’s inventory capable of air-to-air refueling by both the American ‘flying-boom’ system and the RAF’s ‘probe-and-drogue’ method."
http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/e3d-sentry.cfm

Though I couldn't find anything definitive, it seems this dual refueling method has been there since day one on the AEW.1 (i.e. it doesn't appear to be part of the 1998 update).

I was playing Gunner98's [excellent] Norther Fury when I noticed the Sentry couldn't refuel from the RAF's VC.10 tanker fleet (which uses the drogue system).

Thank you!

Fixed

[Vici Supreme]

South Korea is getting the Airbus A.330-200 MRTT opposed to the Airbus A.310-300 MRTT (DBID #4513) in the DB.

https://airbusdefenceandspace.com/newsr ... mpetition/
http://www.janes.com/article/52630/sout ... equirement

Fixed

[SASR]

Correction from my previous post on the LCS.

The TRS-4D and SeaRAM will get installed starting with LCS-17 and only be on Freedom-class variants following LCS-17 (e.g. LCS-19, LCS-21,LCS-23,etc..)

Sorry about that.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Kazakhstan AF has been unveiled their purchased Wing Loong I UAV from China... wait, where's Kazakhstan in the database??

http://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/466683.html

Added. Jagshemash!

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Requesting (for a scenario involving a conflict between Indonesia and Australia in 2021)...

Nagabanda-class submarine
Indonesia
Operational dates: 2017-
Pennants: KRI Nagabanda (403); KRI Trisula (404); KRI Nagaransang (405)

As far as I can tell, this is an improved Chang Bogo class. The Chang Bogo is already in the database (#224). The main changes seem to be improved sensors...

"DSME signed a contract with Indonesia on for the supply of three Improved Chang Bogo-class submarines. These submarines will be equipped with Atlas Electronic CSU 90 hull-mounted passive and active search-and-attack sonar and flank sonar arrays, Indra's Pegaso RESM system and Aries low-probability of intercept radar, L-3's MAPPS integrated platform management systems and Sagem's Sigma 40XP inertial navigation systems." --Wikipedia

Thanks for considering this one.

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_Bog ... _submarine
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... orea-rokn/
http://www.aseanmildef.com/2016/03/sout ... ic-of.html
http://www.mapps.l-3com.com/newsletters/MCN22.pdf
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=1371

Anybody know what the weapons will be? Key detail that I didn't see.

Thanks!

Mike

[SASR]

AN/ALE-70(V) - towed RF decoy for the F-35.

From: http://www.i2insights.com/library/defen ... F-76-A.pdf

DESCRIPTION:
The ALE-70 Towed Decoy is a countermeasures dispenser system designed to fit into the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft. The ALE-70 provides aircraft self-protection against radar guided missiles.
Funds procure all system components: decoys, canisters, and explosive cartridges to deploy the decoys.


From: http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Aircraft+ ... 0363687470
The Fiscal Year (FY) 2014 Presidential budget request, however, provides a deeper knowledge of F-35 EW suite, specifically the expandable countermeasures equipping the stealth aircraft. The description for air expandable countermeasures request by US Navy groups together "all unique countermeasures that provide self-protection for the JSF, specifically ALE-70, MJU-68, MJU-69 and CCU-168". While contracts for specifically tailored MJU-68/69 flares and CCU-168 impulse cartridge have already been assigned to BAE Systems for the F-35, the Department of Defence for the first time unveils the existence of the ALE-70 expandable countermeasure. According to collected data on the same system, the ALE-70 is reported to be an RF towed decoy. In the latter case, the FOTD is to be driven by a technique generator on board the F-35, which could imply the use of an RF jammer.


From: http://www.afcea.org/content/?q=taxonomy/term/1213

BAE Systems Electronic Solutions, Nashua, N.H., is being awarded a $47,352,248 indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity delivery order contract for the manufacture of the transmitter countermeasures T-1687A/ALE-70 (V) in support of the Joint Strike Fighter program. The Naval Supply Systems Command Weapon Systems Support, Mechanicsburg, Pa., is the contracting activity (N00104-14-D-K054)

[Broncepulido]

Only in the case you miss it (no time to try an approximative on-line translation today).
Korean Wikipedia entry on Improved Chang Bogo class (lot of details, no equivalent page in other languages):
https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%86%90 ... 8%ED%95%A8
KSS-III project, post Chang Bogo class (lot of details, included projected VLS with SLBM!!!!!, the equivalent page in English is very limited):
https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSS-III

[nocacounsel]

Hi, All-
While a minority of airframes, some of the KC-10As have wing pods:

"Twenty KC-10s [which is 33% given 60 aircraft were made] were modified to add wing-mounted pods further enhancing their aerial refueling capabilities."
http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Di ... ender.aspx

Finding photos of such equipped aircraft isn't easy, but I found two:
http://www.aviationspectator.com/image/ ... tender-205
and
"Elephant Walk"
http://www.jointbasemdl.af.mil/photos/m ... 421&page=5

Thank you!

[Anathema]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Requesting (for a scenario involving a conflict between Indonesia and Australia in 2021)...

Nagabanda-class submarine
Indonesia
Operational dates: 2017-
Pennants: KRI Nagabanda (403); KRI Trisula (404); KRI Nagaransang (405)

As far as I can tell, this is an improved Chang Bogo class. The Chang Bogo is already in the database (#224). The main changes seem to be improved sensors...

"DSME signed a contract with Indonesia on for the supply of three Improved Chang Bogo-class submarines. These submarines will be equipped with Atlas Electronic CSU 90 hull-mounted passive and active search-and-attack sonar and flank sonar arrays, Indra's Pegaso RESM system and Aries low-probability of intercept radar, L-3's MAPPS integrated platform management systems and Sagem's Sigma 40XP inertial navigation systems." --Wikipedia

Thanks for considering this one.

Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_Bog ... _submarine
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... orea-rokn/
http://www.aseanmildef.com/2016/03/sout ... ic-of.html
http://www.mapps.l-3com.com/newsletters/MCN22.pdf
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=1371

Anybody know what the weapons will be? Key detail that I didn't see.

Thanks!

Mike

I haven't found a definitive answer and sorry I can't be of more help, but PT IPTN (aka Indonesian Aerospace or PT. Dirgantara Indonesia) build the AEG SUT 533mm torpedo under license which is used on the Korean version of Chang Bogo, so it is probably safe to assume it will equip the Indonesian Improved Chang Bogos as they are prioritising the purchase of domestically produced military equipment.

Although there is talk of the Black Shark and Seahake torpedoes and various 533mm torpedo tube launched mines on the blogosphere, but appears to be speculation and wishful thinking by armchair admirals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_Aerospace
http://www.indomiliter.com/aeg-sut-533mm-heavyweight-torpedo-dengan-pemandu-sonar-pasif-dan-aktif/
http://majalahmiliter.blogspot.com.au/2009/01/sut-torpedo-buatan-pt-dirgantara.html
(Please note the last two require translation and chrome does a better job than Google translate for some reason.)

[mikmykWS]

Ok thanks for looking!

Mike