D-Day - 72nd Anniversary

[wings7]

Nothing remembers it more than photos...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/d-d ... ss-BBtPTag

Patrick

[Curtis Lemay]

I'm kind of torn: Do I watch "The Longest Day" or "Saving Private Ryan" tonight? I still remember as a kid how anticipated "The Longest Day" was - and how satisfying it was when released at the time. Only after watching "Saving Private Ryan" so many years later could I see how "The Longest Day" may have gotten the overall facts right, but the presentation authenticity wrong. Still, it has nostalgia value to me, so I remain torn.

[wings7]

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

I'm kind of torn: Do I watch "The Longest Day" or "Saving Private Ryan" tonight? I still remember as a kid how anticipated "The Longest Day" was - and how satisfying it was when released at the time. Only after watching "Saving Private Ryan" so many years later could I see how "The Longest Day" may have gotten the overall facts right, but the presentation authenticity wrong. Still, it has nostalgia value to me, so I remain torn.

I'd watch them both...if you have the time! [:)]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: wings7

Nothing remembers it more than photos...
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/d-d ... ss-BBtPTag

Patrick

warspite1

Thanks Patrick [:)]

[reg113]

+1

[Capt. Harlock]

I'm kind of torn: Do I watch "The Longest Day" or "Saving Private Ryan" tonight? I still remember as a kid how anticipated "The Longest Day" was - and how satisfying it was when released at the time. Only after watching "Saving Private Ryan" so many years later could I see how "The Longest Day" may have gotten the overall facts right, but the presentation authenticity wrong.

And neither movie depicts the tank crews drowned when their tanks, modified to be amphibious, instead sank to the bottom. But it's worth remembering that Omaha was only one of the five beaches assaulted during D-Day. Casualties were considerably lower elsewhere.

That being said, "The Longest Day" does get a key scene historically wrong when it shows the demolition of the Omaha defenses. It was actually done by the sweat and blood of infantrymen, not by the explosives of engineers.

[Missouri_Rebel]

And Google couldn't find it in themselves to commemorate D-Day in one of their nearly daily 'Google Doodles'. How convenient and expected.

To those that don't know what Google Doodle is

http://www.google.com/doodles/

To be fair, the American company of Google did commemorate the very important Bolivian Teachers Day which must be of interest and Earth-shaping to no less than 10's of people in These States. They should be mentioned too because, after all, nearly a third of Bolivian first graders makes it to the fifth grade. Great job.

Recent other Doodles, no doubt more important than the Allies opening a second front that led to the triumph of freedom for Millions, include Daeng Soetigna's 108th Birthday. And who can forget the Google Doodle they did on May 19th? No less than the awesome Yuri Kochiyama's 95th Birthday. And why wouldn't they because she 'advocated for many causes, including Black separatism, the anti-war movement, Maoist revolution, reparations for Japanese-American internees, and the rights of people imprisoned by the U.S. government for violent offenses whom she considered to be "political prisoners'

'Kochiyama was an outspoken admirer of Mao Zedong'

She has said "it's important we all understand that the main terrorist and the main enemy of the world's people is the U.S. government.'

As for Bin Laden? '...I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro.... I thank Islam for bin Laden. America's greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped.'

She also had a panache for supporting convicted murderers and other violent radicals.

But D-Day? Nah.

Google, much like the media, should be held in contempt not only for their blatant biases but more so for what they do not report. Hang on folks. The ride to the bottom will be bumpy.



Good on you Google. At least you have your priorities straight. [/sarcastic disgust]


Happy D-Day


In times of universal deceit, merely telling the truth seems revolutionary.

Is it still o.k. to have an opinion around here?

[danlongman]

I wonder how many people at that wellspring of evil, google, care about
what happens in Southern Missouri? No doubt they would have wholeheartedly
supported Nazi Germany and later the Soviet Union. Good thing they weren't
around then. I went to FLW once a long time ago. Nasty place.

[Missouri_Rebel]

Never been to FLW. I have canoed The Big Piney a few times years ago, which is near there, but that river is a bore.

I wish I were in So. Mo. instead of being stuck in The Peoples Republic of Illinois like I am for the time being. I do go home almost every weekend though. But, FYI, the google disgust isn't limited to So. Mo.

This is Southern Missouri, not FLW.

My video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxX79btQjQg

But to answer your spurious question, I'm sure they care nothing of most people and only care about click baits. That means money. And if giving a nod to the useful idiots who stand in contrast to their corporate goals of making money at their expense, so be it. Such are useful idiots.


Hashtag #Corporations are evil, sent from the newest I phone built by near slave labor. lol. Useful Idiots.

P.S. Games are awesome and stuff.

[slpatgun]

Picture #6, the landing in Southern France were in Aug. of 1944 and were not before D-day.

[Curtis Lemay]

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

But it's worth remembering that Omaha was only one of the five beaches assaulted during D-Day. Casualties were considerably lower elsewhere.

There were six divisions landed - two at Omaha - so it was about a third of the total.

That being said, "The Longest Day" does get a key scene historically wrong when it shows the demolition of the Omaha defenses. It was actually done by the sweat and blood of infantrymen, not by the explosives of engineers.

Engineers did play a role, and research probably has advanced beyond where it was in 1962. I don't think they intentionally fabricated stuff. "Saving Private Ryan" was just making things up - I'm pretty sure there were no Tigers operating in the American sector a few days after D-Day.

What "Ryan" got right was the way combat - in general - was depicted. "Day" depicted that much more unrealistically.

[Speedysteve]

+1

[EwaldvonKleist]

And Google couldn't find it in themselves to commemorate D-Day in one of their nearly daily 'Google Doodles'. How convenient and expected.

To those that don't know what Google Doodle is

http://www.google.com/doodles/

To be fair, the American company of Google did commemorate the very important Bolivian Teachers Day which must be of interest and Earth-shaping to no less than 10's of people in These States. They should be mentioned too because, after all, nearly a third of Bolivian first graders makes it to the fifth grade. Great job.

Recent other Doodles, no doubt more important than the Allies opening a second front that led to the triumph of freedom for Millions, include Daeng Soetigna's 108th Birthday. And who can forget the Google Doodle they did on May 19th? No less than the awesome Yuri Kochiyama's 95th Birthday. And why wouldn't they because she 'advocated for many causes, including Black separatism, the anti-war movement, Maoist revolution, reparations for Japanese-American internees, and the rights of people imprisoned by the U.S. government for violent offenses whom she considered to be "political prisoners'

'Kochiyama was an outspoken admirer of Mao Zedong'

She has said "it's important we all understand that the main terrorist and the main enemy of the world's people is the U.S. government.'

As for Bin Laden? '...I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro.... I thank Islam for bin Laden. America's greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped.'

She also had a panache for supporting convicted murderers and other violent radicals.

But D-Day? Nah.

Google, much like the media, should be held in contempt not only for their blatant biases but more so for what they do not report. Hang on folks. The ride to the bottom will be bumpy.



Good on you Google. At least you have your priorities straight. [/sarcastic disgust]


Happy D-Day


In times of universal deceit, merely telling the truth seems revolutionary.

Is it still o.k. to have an opinion around here?

I disagree with you in some points:
1) The historical viewpoint: If Google makes Doodles for WW2 Allies, then D Day is probably not the most important thing. What about battle of moscow, leningrad, battle of odessa/sevastopol, stalingrad, bagration, battle of berlin etc.? All major soviet operations and you can discuss which one were more ore less important than D-Day... Isn't the often forgotten partisan war in eastern europe worth a doodle too? ( when it comes to the damage done to the nazi occupators, eastern partisans together were far more significant than french resistance). So you can easily name 5-10 operations of superior, equal or slightly inferior contribution to the defeat of the third reich. A lot of doodls i think...

2) As mentioned in 1), there are many points of view on which is important, different from your origins/education. Not sure how international the doodles are, but whatever google does they will upset somebody. So they better stay away from controversial war topics.

3) About Yuri Kochiyama: I am not from the USA so i am not that familiar with the history of this person, i just read the Wikipedia article about her. She is of course a highly controversial person, just some comments:
-look at her childhood. She was arrested for being japanese after Pearl Harbour. This for some reason reminds me of the way Stalin dealt with minorities he expected to support germans after the german attack, he of course was much more cruel than the USA with them.
-supporting violent guerilla groups is something which sounds not like a good idea from her and of course i disagree. However, this needs more evaluation including the circumstances and the countries where those groups were actice. I don't have the time to read a book about her or a book about the organisations/countries, so i have no final opinion here.
-last but not least her quote from wikipedia: "" and "it's important we all understand that the main terrorist and the main enemy of the world's people is the U.S. government."
In a 2003 interview, she expressed admiration and support for Osama bin Laden, saying "...I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro.... I thank Islam for bin Laden. America's greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped. War and weaponry must be abolished."
Honors"
Well, supporting somebody who wants a radical islam is probably not that clever. USA are for sure no terrorists, but: In many countries of the world the USA are seen as arrogant and aggressive. Why? Maybe they have bombed all over the world, invaded countries, supported military coups etc.? I don't want to start a discussion in which cases this was justified or not, but you need to be aware of this to understand the point of view of Kochiyama. It also has to be mentioned that many terrorist organisations were first supported by the USA or their allies. Think about the Soviet afghanistan war where USA supported some radical islamic resistance groups. Later some elements of them formed the Taliban the western nations started to fight after 9/11...


No disrespect, i just want to point out that there are always two sides of the medal and that the USA have no to have a clean slate (and are on the other hand for sure no pure evil like the nazis or stalin).

[EwaldvonKleist]

ORIGINAL: danlongman

I wonder how many people at that wellspring of evil, google, care about
what happens in Southern Missouri? No doubt they would have wholeheartedly
supported Nazi Germany and later the Soviet Union. Good thing they weren't
around then. I went to FLW once a long time ago. Nasty place.

In the end every company had to support the Nazis in germany. Be sure that 95% of us (including me), given the fitting education and circumstances, would be a very good Nazis. Luckily, the right side won WW2.

[PipFromSlitherine]

This thread is beginning to veer off course. I'll leave it open for now, but I'm seeing an awful lot of trigger phrases... [;)]

Cheers

Pip

[Qwixt]

This place is turning into steam forums with this stuff about google.

Edit: But then I just remembered the Illuminati conspiracy nut, so my memory is failing me. There's always been some specialness here.

[wings7]

ORIGINAL: Qwixt

This place is turning into steam forums with this stuff about google.

Variety is the spice of life! [:)]

[TulliusDetritus]

ORIGINAL: Qwixt

This place is turning into steam forums with this stuff about google.

Never visited those forums, but for sure the biggest offenders are on Youtube comments [:D]

What I noticed is that most of the users that troll, insult on Youtube have absolutely empty channels. No videos uploaded that is.

They joined simply to troll other people.

I came across the story of an incredibly fat mega troll. I say "fat" not to ridicule him, but because it's relevant. Looks like one day he decided to troll the bodybuilders on their forum... When the trolled users asked him to post a picture of his mega fat body, instead of trolling him back they decided to help him. According to the mother's troll they saved her son's life [:'(]

http://www.wetpaint.com/700-pound-man-d ... t-1442932/

[Missouri_Rebel]

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

And Google couldn't find it in themselves to commemorate D-Day in one of their nearly daily 'Google Doodles'. How convenient and expected.

To those that don't know what Google Doodle is

http://www.google.com/doodles/

To be fair, the American company of Google did commemorate the very important Bolivian Teachers Day which must be of interest and Earth-shaping to no less than 10's of people in These States. They should be mentioned too because, after all, nearly a third of Bolivian first graders makes it to the fifth grade. Great job.

Recent other Doodles, no doubt more important than the Allies opening a second front that led to the triumph of freedom for Millions, include Daeng Soetigna's 108th Birthday. And who can forget the Google Doodle they did on May 19th? No less than the awesome Yuri Kochiyama's 95th Birthday. And why wouldn't they because she 'advocated for many causes, including Black separatism, the anti-war movement, Maoist revolution, reparations for Japanese-American internees, and the rights of people imprisoned by the U.S. government for violent offenses whom she considered to be "political prisoners'

'Kochiyama was an outspoken admirer of Mao Zedong'

She has said "it's important we all understand that the main terrorist and the main enemy of the world's people is the U.S. government.'

As for Bin Laden? '...I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro.... I thank Islam for bin Laden. America's greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped.'

She also had a panache for supporting convicted murderers and other violent radicals.

But D-Day? Nah.

Google, much like the media, should be held in contempt not only for their blatant biases but more so for what they do not report. Hang on folks. The ride to the bottom will be bumpy.



Good on you Google. At least you have your priorities straight. [/sarcastic disgust]


Happy D-Day


In times of universal deceit, merely telling the truth seems revolutionary.

Is it still o.k. to have an opinion around here?

I disagree with you in some points:
1) The historical viewpoint: If Google makes Doodles for WW2 Allies, then D Day is probably not the most important thing. What about battle of moscow, leningrad, battle of odessa/sevastopol, stalingrad, bagration, battle of berlin etc.? All major soviet operations and you can discuss which one were more ore less important than D-Day... Isn't the often forgotten partisan war in eastern europe worth a doodle too? ( when it comes to the damage done to the nazi occupators, eastern partisans together were far more significant than french resistance). So you can easily name 5-10 operations of superior, equal or slightly inferior contribution to the defeat of the third reich. A lot of doodls i think...

2) As mentioned in 1), there are many points of view on which is important, different from your origins/education. Not sure how international the doodles are, but whatever google does they will upset somebody. So they better stay away from controversial war topics.

3) About Yuri Kochiyama: I am not from the USA so i am not that familiar with the history of this person, i just read the Wikipedia article about her. She is of course a highly controversial person, just some comments:
-look at her childhood. She was arrested for being japanese after Pearl Harbour. This for some reason reminds me of the way Stalin dealt with minorities he expected to support germans after the german attack, he of course was much more cruel than the USA with them.
-supporting violent guerilla groups is something which sounds not like a good idea from her and of course i disagree. However, this needs more evaluation including the circumstances and the countries where those groups were actice. I don't have the time to read a book about her or a book about the organisations/countries, so i have no final opinion here.
-last but not least her quote from wikipedia: "" and "it's important we all understand that the main terrorist and the main enemy of the world's people is the U.S. government."
In a 2003 interview, she expressed admiration and support for Osama bin Laden, saying "...I consider Osama bin Laden as one of the people that I admire. To me, he is in the category of Malcolm X, Che Guevara, Patrice Lumumba, Fidel Castro.... I thank Islam for bin Laden. America's greed, aggressiveness, and self-righteous arrogance must be stopped. War and weaponry must be abolished."
Honors"
Well, supporting somebody who wants a radical islam is probably not that clever. USA are for sure no terrorists, but: In many countries of the world the USA are seen as arrogant and aggressive. Why? Maybe they have bombed all over the world, invaded countries, supported military coups etc.? I don't want to start a discussion in which cases this was justified or not, but you need to be aware of this to understand the point of view of Kochiyama. It also has to be mentioned that many terrorist organisations were first supported by the USA or their allies. Think about the Soviet afghanistan war where USA supported some radical islamic resistance groups. Later some elements of them formed the Taliban the western nations started to fight after 9/11...


No disrespect, i just want to point out that there are always two sides of the medal and that the USA have no to have a clean slate (and are on the other hand for sure no pure evil like the nazis or stalin).

I appreciate your even keel reply. I don't disagree with everything you said, but to your criteria, she is way too radical for me and millions of others to celebrate. She's an armpit. Let it be known that this woman supports cop killers, radical communists, segregationists and supported the convicts of the shooting of the 83rd congress that injured 5 civil servants. She's a toilet of a woman and it's a disgrace that google, or anyone else, would honor that hateful hag while never giving D-Day the respect it deserves.

Qwixt, have you ever had an original thought? Bringing attention to the slight to D-Day veterans is not a conspiracy, nor googles love affair with a radical. Hence the facts I laid bare Fellow Traveler.

As our WW2 veterans are dying at an incredible pace, imo, google missed a great teaching moment for the multitude of people they reach.

[EwaldvonKleist]

@missouri:
Thx for the calm reply too, always good to people who like rational discussions as much as i do [:)]
About Kojiyama: Supporting criminals is nothing somebody should be honoured for for sure. I neither have the time nor the interest to inform myself that much about her and i don't like to have and opinion about something before knowing a bit about it from books or well researched web sources. I am sure you are far better informed about her than i am, so i appreciate your opinion.

Cheers