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1945 February 01

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1945 February 01

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:
Allied forces CAPTURE Kiukiang !!!

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:


Imperial Naval Bombardments


Allied Naval Bombardments:



Our subs are conducting secret activities.

More good results in China.
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Ground combat at 83,51 (near Wuchang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35059 troops, 401 guns, 137 vehicles, Assault Value = 1012

Defending force 3798 troops, 45 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 21

Allied adjusted assault: 999

Japanese adjusted defense: 2

Allied assault odds: 499 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2107 casualties reported
Squads: 72 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 152 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 29 (24 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Units retreated 4
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
6th New Chinese Corps
9th Australian Division
544th Field Artillery Battalion
517th Field Artillery Battalion
II Australian Corps
208th Field Regiment

Defending units:
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
22nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd South Seas Det.
26th AA Regiment
9th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion


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Ground combat at 85,58 (near Foochow)
If we can delay this unit moving to the next hex by
just one more day we can trap it when it does move.


Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 564 troops, 3 guns, 83 vehicles, Assault Value = 49

Defending force 3876 troops, 25 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 113

Allied adjusted assault: 15

Japanese adjusted defense: 163

Allied assault odds: 1 to 10

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
80 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

Assaulting units:
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion

Defending units:
3rd Infantry Regiment


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Ground combat at Kiukiang (85,53)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4419 troops, 73 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 137

Defending force 603 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14

Allied adjusted assault: 138

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 19 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kiukiang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
353 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
23rd Australian Brigade

Defending units:
23rd RGC Temp. Division


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Ground combat at 80,54 (near Hengyang)
Zombie control.

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6531 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 221

Defending force 859 troops, 18 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 17

Allied adjusted assault: 314

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 314 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
818 casualties reported
Squads: 39 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (10 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
96th Chinese Division

Defending units:
Ankei SNLF


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Near Wuchang we now move on that city. Our armour will all be in Ichang in one or two more days at the most, and we will start moving armour in one day (possibly with that last unit to catch up). Two infantry divisions are starting to move now. The idea is that armour and infantry will cross the river together in 3 days. A Betty strike showed up over Ichang. No escort. Woe was unto them. Most likely there will be no Imperial death gliders interfering with the river crossing.

Near Chengtu those 4 Imperial units are now all off the road, trying to route around our units. By the time they go through the adjoining mountain hex the battle will be over.

Our main spearhead has contacted at least one enemy unit a hex SW of Wuhu (a dot base) and will wait for overwhelming force before attacking. The idea is to move the first roadblock, Woods-Rough terrain notwithstanding, before they realize what they are up against.

The sweeps against Kagoshima were a great success! 99x Franks and Tojos for 19x P-47s and P-51s.

China.

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Philippines.

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Okinawa.

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Air losses. A good day!

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The invasion fleet. In addition to many Essex CV without their most recent AA upgrade, there are also a some CVE without their AA upgrade. Everybody goes anyway: speed and mass. When LBA is in place those ships needing upgrades can go get them.

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RE: 1945 February 01

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Wow, a good day in the air.

All seems to be going pretty well in China. i think Andav must be very afraid of you getting Shangai. It would be a very useful airfield and naval support base.

Apart from that, that's quite a lot of task forces. Now it remains to be seen whether or not it will be kamikaze hell over Hokkaido [:D]
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Nagasaki/Sasebo, which is the desired target of a first big B-29 strike, recons with 242 fighters, 165 bombers, and 152 auxiliaries. I'll bet those particular fighters are the best aircraft with the best pilots, so our sweeps will nibble at the edges first
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witpqs: 119 squadrons increased in size today.

Yikes! Can your pilot and plane pools keep up with the demand?

No way. Not even close!

It's possible that B-24J production might catch up, but once they begin flying over the Home Islands I doubt it. B-29, various 2EB no chance at all. In March we get the night bombing variant of the B-29 and that will help.

Wow - what an absolute stunning lesson.

Thank you sers Witpqs / BB / et al with great observations ; this AAR is very educational.

This game is amazing in its nuances; nuances that clearly mimic real world in a sense of "the game imposes constraints"

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Witpqs - it must be the ultimate feeling of irony that ~ just as the Allied war machine is 'fully stocked and roaring' and your momentum is in high gear across multiple theaters .....Air frame production / logistics / pilot training is a concern as your air groups up size JUST AS you need more of all to support the strategic imperative to capture close Japanese territory that is ideally suited to minimize losses in the long run.

I mean its not even if you could have managed any better ! All previous actions in terms of strategic bombing / airframe management / pilot management was directed at under cutting Japan's ability to wage war and minimize losses in the long run. Your organization skills in this AAR make me blush at my own ineptitude as a rookie.

This little nuance actually made me pause and consider Truman's decision to drop the Bomb.

Not to be political ...I am no history revisionist to call him a war criminal nor am I a strategic hawk that defends every and all decisions situations.... I am a history hobbyist.

..but imagine the human element of Truman's choices. Yes the war was going well. Yes victory seemed imminent or at least preordained ...but at what cost ?? And could production in terms of (1) manpower (2) air frames (3) ammo and guns and (4) logistics truly support it ?

Constraints as you are winning.... amazing.

I know of no other game in any genre that has that kind of nuance.

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Wow, a good day in the air.

All seems to be going pretty well in China. i think Andav must be very afraid of you getting Shangai. It would be a very useful airfield and naval support base.

Apart from that, that's quite a lot of task forces. Now it remains to be seen whether or not it will be kamikaze hell over Hokkaido [:D]
I am bypassing Shanghai, that is a firm decision. Always open minded, so maybe at some point it will be ripe for picking, but not now.

Kamikaze hell around Hokkaido is about guaranteed in my opinion!
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Nagasaki/Sasebo, which is the desired target of a first big B-29 strike, recons with 242 fighters, 165 bombers, and 152 auxiliaries. I'll bet those particular fighters are the best aircraft with the best pilots, so our sweeps will nibble at the edges first
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Yikes! Can your pilot and plane pools keep up with the demand?

No way. Not even close!

It's possible that B-24J production might catch up, but once they begin flying over the Home Islands I doubt it. B-29, various 2EB no chance at all. In March we get the night bombing variant of the B-29 and that will help.

Wow - what an absolute stunning lesson.

Thank you sers Witpqs / BB / et al with great observations ; this AAR is very educational.

This game is amazing in its nuances; nuances that clearly mimic real world in a sense of "the game imposes constraints"

---

Witpqs - it must be the ultimate feeling of irony that ~ just as the Allied war machine is 'fully stocked and roaring' and your momentum is in high gear across multiple theaters .....Air frame production / logistics / pilot training is a concern as your air groups up size JUST AS you need more of all to support the strategic imperative to capture close Japanese territory that is ideally suited to minimize losses in the long run.

I mean its not even if you could have managed any better ! All previous actions in terms of strategic bombing / airframe management / pilot management was directed at under cutting Japan's ability to wage war and minimize losses in the long run. Your organization skills in this AAR make me blush at my own ineptitude as a rookie.

This little nuance actually made me pause and consider Truman's decision to drop the Bomb.

Not to be political ...I am no history revisionist to call him a war criminal nor am I a strategic hawk that defends every and all decisions situations.... I am a history hobbyist.

..but imagine the human element of Truman's choices. Yes the war was going well. Yes victory seemed imminent or at least preordained ...but at what cost ?? And could production in terms of (1) manpower (2) air frames (3) ammo and guns and (4) logistics truly support it ?

Constraints as you are winning.... amazing.

I know of no other game in any genre that has that kind of nuance.
Truman made the right call. Some people who have looked deeply into it have a different opinion, which is inevitable no matter which decisions he took. That's just reality. But another reality of human beings is that the vast majority of people who criticize such things don't make the slightest undertaking to become informed about whatever the matter is and just blather out their ignorance.

Back to the game...

I know I could have done better in pilot training, but I feel I did OK at least. Some AARs show a player having quantities of trained pilots that boggle my mind.

I wonder if the fighters at Kagoshima were configured mostly to escort kamikaze strikes rather than well configured for CAP? Nagasaki/Sasebo would be different, but with the number of bombers there I know it is an anti-shipping strike launch base.

At a macro level the game does a wonderful job of showing the challenges and constraints of WWII in the Pacific. When you zoom in really close some things are still great but of course many break down at various levels of detail. IRL I figure they had much lower loss rates of 2EB than I am seeing in-game. But remember too that in-game the Japanese player gets to make decisions just as the Allied player does, so practically nothing is the same as IRL.

Oops - just got a turn! [:)]
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witpqs - you have liberated most of Indo-China/China (which was not done IRL) and are invading Japan in Feb, 1945 for heaven's sake, thanks to great strategy and aggressive use of all your forces. So the shortage of pilots may be a side-effect of not shrinking from the tough battles, but that's what you have to do when you crack a nut. I would not agree with anyone who says your pilot management has been less than stellar!

Your strategy reminds me of Nemo's philosophy - sacrifice valuable units for position and don't let the enemy regain his balance. Breathtaking to watch! Thanks for the show!

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witpqs - you have liberated most of Indo-China/China (which was not done IRL) and are invading Japan in Feb, 1945 for heaven's sake, thanks to great strategy and aggressive use of all your forces. So the shortage of pilots may be a side-effect of not shrinking from the tough battles, but that's what you have to do when you crack a nut. I would not agree with anyone who says your pilot management has been less than stellar!

Your strategy reminds me of Nemo's philosophy - sacrifice valuable units for position and don't let the enemy regain his balance. Breathtaking to watch! Thanks for the show!

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1945 February 02

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1945 February 02

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Enggano

Imperial Naval Bombardments


Allied Naval Bombardments:



Our subs are conducting secret activities.

No ground combat in China today! Our P-38L on ground strike followed some units across the river from Wuchang into Hankow and lost 10 to fierce AA opposition. Time for them to rest & recover anyway. Our ground forces will arrive in Wuchow tomorrow, and with defenders down to ~9,500 and counting they might have an easy time of it.

At Ichang our two infantry divisions have made more than half the miles to cross the river and are changing to combat mode giving 2 days to go. All but 2 armoured units are present and starting the crossing also in combat mode for their 2 day march. The 2 armoured units which arrived tomorrow will immediately set out in move mode, hopefully to make the crossing with the other units.

SW of Pucheng our para unit entered the hex at the same time as the Imperials, so nobody owns the hex or any hex sides. That makes our 2 AA units in Pucheng vulnerable to the enemy should they move that way and outrun us, but I doubt they will try. The paras will wait until tomorrow for the armour to arrive, then both will attack.

The point of contact for the main spearhead shows 2 units. We have much armor in the hex and lots of armor and artillery on the way. The infantry and more artillery is farther behind. In addition to movements seen in the area previously, at least 1 enemy unit is now moving west out of Shanghai. Is that a move to reinforce Hangchow or has DAW HQ guessed that we plan to bypass the area and trap all forces present?

On Luzon our armour has reached Batangas and will attack tomorrow.

China west.

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China east.

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Philippines.

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Home Islands west.

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Home Islands east.

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Wow, a good day in the air.

All seems to be going pretty well in China. i think Andav must be very afraid of you getting Shangai. It would be a very useful airfield and naval support base.

Apart from that, that's quite a lot of task forces. Now it remains to be seen whether or not it will be kamikaze hell over Hokkaido [:D]
I am bypassing Shanghai, that is a firm decision. Always open minded, so maybe at some point it will be ripe for picking, but not now.

Kamikaze hell around Hokkaido is about guaranteed in my opinion!

Shanghai is worth 2,500 VPs....the most valuable hex in China.
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witpqs - you have liberated most of Indo-China/China (which was not done IRL) and are invading Japan in Feb, 1945 for heaven's sake, thanks to great strategy and aggressive use of all your forces. So the shortage of pilots may be a side-effect of not shrinking from the tough battles, but that's what you have to do when you crack a nut. I would not agree with anyone who says your pilot management has been less than stellar!

Your strategy reminds me of Nemo's philosophy - sacrifice valuable units for position and don't let the enemy regain his balance. Breathtaking to watch! Thanks for the show!

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Wow, a good day in the air.

All seems to be going pretty well in China. i think Andav must be very afraid of you getting Shangai. It would be a very useful airfield and naval support base.

Apart from that, that's quite a lot of task forces. Now it remains to be seen whether or not it will be kamikaze hell over Hokkaido [:D]
I am bypassing Shanghai, that is a firm decision. Always open minded, so maybe at some point it will be ripe for picking, but not now.

Kamikaze hell around Hokkaido is about guaranteed in my opinion!

Shanghai is worth 2,500 VPs....the most valuable hex in China.
Yes, good point. Maybe eventually. But right now it would take (IIRC) ~720 AV to garrison plus whatever forces, time, and losses to capture so it would basically stop the advance on that front right there for some period of time. Even with the garrison getting Chinese Army units in to relieve Allied units would take time because it takes them a lot longer to move away from the rail lines without strategic road movement.

It's like most of Celebes, Borneo, and all of Java, Sumatra, Malaya, and currently the Philippines: cut off and gradually overcome by lesser forces while the main forces capture other places, cut off support, disrupt LOCs and industry, and establish bases closer to the enemy's center of gravity.
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1945 February 03

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1945 February 03

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:
Enggano is occupied by the Allies

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:


Imperial Naval Bombardments


Allied Naval Bombardments:



Our subs are conducting secret activities.

Ground combat in China pretty much as anticipated today.
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Ground combat at Tsinkiang (84,61)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 4365 troops, 74 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 138

Defending force 4031 troops, 22 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 69

Allied adjusted assault: 29

Japanese adjusted defense: 75

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
118 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
22nd Australian Brigade

Defending units:
51st Recon Regiment
2nd RGC Route Brigade
Amoy Special Base Force
1st JAAF AF Coy


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Ground combat at 74,41 (near Chengtu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11704 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 448

Defending force 1594 troops, 0 guns, 58 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 242

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 242 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
418 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 55 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 19 (19 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
20th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps

Defending units:
13th Army


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22nd Australian Brigade is only 10% disrupted and will continue attacking. 13th Army is in the open now and will be subjected to punishing air strikes. First attack at Wuchang tomorrow.

Good progress at Batangas.
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Ground combat at Batangas (79,78)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 858 troops, 0 guns, 173 vehicles, Assault Value = 413

Defending force 13583 troops, 83 guns, 86 vehicles, Assault Value = 339

Allied adjusted assault: 34

Japanese adjusted defense: 148

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
543 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 37 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
2nd Regiment
11th NZ Brigade
29th British Brigade
1st Regiment
50th Indian Para Brigade

Defending units:
39th/B Division
19th Naval Guard Unit
79th Brigade
102nd Infantry Regiment
27th Tank Regiment
2nd South Seas Det. /1
13th Ind.Mixed Regiment
1st South Seas Det.


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The armour attacked alone and is now ~27% disrupted but will join tomorrow's attack by all units present. Enemy disruption, fatigue, and morale are all in our favor.

Another 5 air units increased in size. The invasion convoys and task forces should all be at the assembly point tomorrow for departure.

China west.

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