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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Also, San Diego is not an uncommon spawn point for US units. They could just be spawning.
There was a bug that was fixed. Nowadays LRCAP does intercept transport planes. There was also something either fixed or adjusted in terms of the range of fighters on LRCAP vs transport planes so that fighters spend a more proper amount of time trying to get the transports.ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
LRCAP won't intercept transport planes, but CAP will (you will need to set it to "leak"). At least that's my experience. I was flying LRCAP over Chungking from Neikiang for years against Bullwinkle, only to find out when it fell that he'd been flying supplies in every day. Not once did a plane get intercepted, and they're only 2 hexes apart. If I'd been flying leaky CAP, my understanding is that they would have been periodically intercepted (I was using Tojos).
Also, San Diego is not an uncommon spawn point for US units. They could just be spawning.
ORIGINAL: witpqs
There was a bug that was fixed. Nowadays LRCAP does intercept transport planes. There was also something either fixed or adjusted in terms of the range of fighters on LRCAP vs transport planes so that fighters spend a more proper amount of time trying to get the transports.ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
LRCAP won't intercept transport planes, but CAP will (you will need to set it to "leak"). At least that's my experience. I was flying LRCAP over Chungking from Neikiang for years against Bullwinkle, only to find out when it fell that he'd been flying supplies in every day. Not once did a plane get intercepted, and they're only 2 hexes apart. If I'd been flying leaky CAP, my understanding is that they would have been periodically intercepted (I was using Tojos).
Also, San Diego is not an uncommon spawn point for US units. They could just be spawning.
I seem to remember during those bug discussions that the bug was a bit masked by the fact that altitude matters insofar as (for example) people with LRCAP at 15,000 ft have a harder time intercepting low flying transport planes.
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Anyhow, CAP with a range will do the job better than LRCAP. LRCAP seems to only respond to raids... maybe if you have a range set on your LRCAP also.
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
The range specification is within half of the normal range of the fighter. 2 hexes from Chungking is within half the range of the Tojo, and it wasn't working. Pretty sure it was after the "fix." It was over a year ago now in game time, so I don't remember. I do remember adjusting the altitude at least one time, probably somewhere between 10K and 20K. I know that transports default to 6K and there's no real reason to ever change that.
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: witpqs
There was a bug that was fixed. Nowadays LRCAP does intercept transport planes. There was also something either fixed or adjusted in terms of the range of fighters on LRCAP vs transport planes so that fighters spend a more proper amount of time trying to get the transports.ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
LRCAP won't intercept transport planes, but CAP will (you will need to set it to "leak"). At least that's my experience. I was flying LRCAP over Chungking from Neikiang for years against Bullwinkle, only to find out when it fell that he'd been flying supplies in every day. Not once did a plane get intercepted, and they're only 2 hexes apart. If I'd been flying leaky CAP, my understanding is that they would have been periodically intercepted (I was using Tojos).
Also, San Diego is not an uncommon spawn point for US units. They could just be spawning.
I seem to remember during those bug discussions that the bug was a bit masked by the fact that altitude matters insofar as (for example) people with LRCAP at 15,000 ft have a harder time intercepting low flying transport planes.
The range specification is within half of the normal range of the fighter. 2 hexes from Chungking is within half the range of the Tojo, and it wasn't working. Pretty sure it was after the "fix." It was over a year ago now in game time, so I don't remember. I do remember adjusting the altitude at least one time, probably somewhere between 10K and 20K. I know that transports default to 6K and there's no real reason to ever change that.
Anyhow, CAP with a range will do the job better than LRCAP. LRCAP seems to only respond to raids... maybe if you have a range set on your LRCAP also.
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: witpqs
There was a bug that was fixed. Nowadays LRCAP does intercept transport planes. There was also something either fixed or adjusted in terms of the range of fighters on LRCAP vs transport planes so that fighters spend a more proper amount of time trying to get the transports.
I seem to remember during those bug discussions that the bug was a bit masked by the fact that altitude matters insofar as (for example) people with LRCAP at 15,000 ft have a harder time intercepting low flying transport planes.
The range specification is within half of the normal range of the fighter. 2 hexes from Chungking is within half the range of the Tojo, and it wasn't working. Pretty sure it was after the "fix." It was over a year ago now in game time, so I don't remember. I do remember adjusting the altitude at least one time, probably somewhere between 10K and 20K. I know that transports default to 6K and there's no real reason to ever change that.
Anyhow, CAP with a range will do the job better than LRCAP. LRCAP seems to only respond to raids... maybe if you have a range set on your LRCAP also.
This change happened because of my extensive use of transports in the game with Jocke, and he noticed that no matter what he did he couldn't stop them. Very frustrating.
After the change he did hit them more, but I often flew at 1k to get under CAP, and sometime swept around the edge of the base if possible to hit the LR CAP and divert it higher.
If you were between 10k-20k, there is a high chance you just never got to them at 2k. in a real world sense it's silly both ways. Fighters could generally search and destroy in the air or on the ground, and transports could (and did in the war) arrange their arrival at forward bases to be after dark.
But this is a game, so throw some LR CAP in at 5k.
Michael did say otherwise back when the issue was fixed. Not saying it's easy or 100% realistic in the mechanics. Maybe he set his transports to their max altitude realizing you would set fighters down low? I can only guess, but I've had success since Michael made the fix.ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
The range specification is within half of the normal range of the fighter. 2 hexes from Chungking is within half the range of the Tojo, and it wasn't working. Pretty sure it was after the "fix." It was over a year ago now in game time, so I don't remember. I do remember adjusting the altitude at least one time, probably somewhere between 10K and 20K. I know that transports default to 6K and there's no real reason to ever change that.
Anyhow, CAP with a range will do the job better than LRCAP. LRCAP seems to only respond to raids... maybe if you have a range set on your LRCAP also.
This change happened because of my extensive use of transports in the game with Jocke, and he noticed that no matter what he did he couldn't stop them. Very frustrating.
After the change he did hit them more, but I often flew at 1k to get under CAP, and sometime swept around the edge of the base if possible to hit the LR CAP and divert it higher.
If you were between 10k-20k, there is a high chance you just never got to them at 2k. in a real world sense it's silly both ways. Fighters could generally search and destroy in the air or on the ground, and transports could (and did in the war) arrange their arrival at forward bases to be after dark.
But this is a game, so throw some LR CAP in at 5k.
I meant I changed them to somewhere between 10K and 20K at one point to see if I caught anything that way. I know I started them lower. I'm still of the opinion that LRCAP can't catch them, unless Michael were to say otherwise. They were LRCAP 60% over Chungking with Range 0, from Neikiang. They were set that way for...Idunno, what was it Moose? A year? To never intercept a single flight out of thousands with those settings... meanwhile, I've intercepted transport planes in other games with regular CAP (not LRCAP) and range settings since then. It rarely comes up, but it can be really important when you actually want to stop the planes from flying. YMMV, just stating my experience with it.
By sweeping around the edges, you were catching CAP that was set to leak (i.e., with a range). It could've been LRCAP, sure, but I'm pretty sure Jocke was using standard CAP with a range setting there after he read up on how transports were supposed to be intercepted.
