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Tribble Lord · Post by **Tribble Lord** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:23 am

Hello I'm new here and i am a Tos and BT fan. please dont kill da helpless newbie (even though i knoe how to play TOS I'm still a newbie)

This is currently my best titan design the DREADNOUGHT:

Titan Name: <Dreadnought> (Assault Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Mark MK-A4
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Weight: 200.0t (200t maximum) Height : 19 [meter]
Bmt : 34 (35 kph) Reduce Heat: -5.2C/sec.
Jmt : 12 (100 kph) for 37 secs Cost : 451768 ($)

Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Durania [Engine 7] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Mark MH-II [Heat A]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :Mark X-S [Scan 6] [CBT ]
Computer:Mark BC-X [Comp. 6] [Head]
E.C.M :Mark EXL [E.C.M. 6] [CT ]
JumpPort:Mark MJ-I [Jump 6]

Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[LA ] GAUSS CANNON (045) [3]
[RT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]
[LT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]
[RT ] PULSE LASER
[RA ] PULSE LASER
[LT ] PULSE LASER
[LA ] PULSE LASER
[CT ] MEDIUM LASER
[LowT] MEDIUM LASER
[LowT] MEDIUM LASER
[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[RA ] PLASMA GUN

Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (15) Millenia 015 [039mm]
[RT ] (29) Millenia 024 [062mm]
[CT ] (29) Millenia 011 [029mm]
[CBT ] (19) Millenia 024 [062mm]
[LT ] (29) Millenia 024 [062mm]
[RA ] (29) Millenia 024 [062mm]
[LA ] (29) Millenia 014 [035mm]
[LowT] (19) Millenia 024 [061mm]
[RL ] (25) Millenia 024 [061mm]
[LL ] (25) Millenia 024 [061mm]

Armorindex: 2.28 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 248 [APts]
External: 208 [APts] Max:[107mm]
Total Armor: 456 [APts]

JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Assault Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : G.M. Energy Cannon
Warfare : Scanner Warfare(ECM)
Skills : Ind.Fire

hope you guys like it

<ignore my signature... I have no invurnerable Tribble titans>

FREE TRIBBLES FOR EVERYONE!!!

Silvermane · Post by **Silvermane** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 1:40 pm

Well, from one newbie to the other...

I'm not really a long-time player like most guys around here, but I'd say the Titan is overarmed and underarmored. Your engine doesn't provide enough juice to keep the massive array of energy guns powered, so you're likely to wait forever and a day until recharge. Also, there's no heavy hitter; any titan with a decent shield will give you a hard time.

Heat dissipation is another problem, though you lose heat fast you'll build up just way too much of it when performing an alpha strike. A few cannons might be an improvement, and also perform much better versus shields. The GM's are nice, but they won't take out anything quickly and are easily avoided with ECM and Flares.

The armor is waaaay to thin for an assault class with short-range weaponry. Most assault designs use about 50-70 points of armor per location.

But while we're at discussing designs, I'd love to hear the opinion on this Titan:

Titan Name: <Succubus> (Heavy Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Durania H3
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Weight: 140.0t (140t maximum) Height : 16 [meter]
Bmt : 30 (40 kph) Reduce Heat: -3.8C/sec.
Jmt : 13 (92 kph) for 48 secs Cost : 333039 ($)

Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Durania [Engine 7] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Triton H8 [Heat 8]
Flare :FL Large [Flare2] [LT ]
Shield :Surko Defend [Shld3] [CBT ]
LifeSup.:Phillippi [Life 2] [Head]
Scanner :Mark M-S [Scan 5] [Head]
Computer:Mark BC-X [Comp. 6] [LT ]
JumpPort:Triton TJ [Jump 5]

Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[LA ] PLASMA GUN
[RT ] TESLA BOLT
[RT ] S.R.M. 4 RACK (024) [1]
[LT ] S.R.M. 4 RACK (024) [1]

Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (13) Dullaroy 023 [034mm]
[RT ] (25) Vicenium 039 [065mm]
[CT ] (25) Vicenium 040 [067mm]
[CBT ] (15) Vicenium 025 [043mm]
[LT ] (25) Vicenium 039 [065mm]
[RA ] (25) Vicenium 036 [060mm]
[LA ] (25) Vicenium 036 [060mm]
[LowT] (15) Vicenium 036 [060mm]
[RL ] (21) Vicenium 037 [062mm]
[LL ] (21) Vicenium 037 [062mm]

Armorindex: 3.99 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 210 [APts]
External: 348 [APts] Max:[092mm]
Total Armor: 558 [APts]

JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Heavy Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : N.G.M Energy
Warfare : Defensives Scanner
Skills : Medical Ind.Fire

-Silvermane

Thorgrim · Post by **Thorgrim** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 4:43 pm

Silvermane is correct about the Dreadnought. With that kind of armor, an assault is dead meat. Millenia will get much better in WS, slightly lower heat mod but providing thicker armor.

As for the Succubus, heh, did you get that from Guardians?
Looks ok on a first glance. Twin plasmas are always good

Slightly different in WS, but still good.

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 8:39 pm

Just go with two or three gauss cannons for long range and either a set of mg's or two pulse lasers for close fighting, and don't try using both at once unless you feel suicidal.

It's usually pointless to carry more weapons than your heat regulator and engine can handle at once. Of course, you aren't going to be using, ie, twin plasma guns and flamethrowers+CC weapons at the same time (I hope) so you won't need to add their demands together.

rosary · Post by **rosary** » Wed Jun 04, 2003 11:21 pm

I usually put armor in first so I get the max. Then I start worrying about other things. I do remove armor to make space but then you start thinking about how important a device is if you're removing the armor. You see a penalty right away and have to justify it. Here is a sample of what your armor should be close to in an assault. I should mention this is the armor from a Long range titan so there is low CBT armor.
Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Status/Points/mm

[Head] (13) Dullaroy HMAX 025 [036mm]
[RT ] (29) Dullaroy MAX 071 [102mm]
[CT ] (29) Dullaroy MAX 071 [102mm]
[CBT ] (17) Dullaroy (S) 020 [029mm]
[LT ] (29) Dullaroy MAX 071 [102mm]
[RA ] (27) Dullaroy MAX 071 [102mm]
[LA ] (27) Dullaroy MAX 071 [102mm]
[LowT] (17) Dullaroy MAX 071 [102mm]
[RL ] (23) Dullaroy MAX 071 [102mm]
[LL ] (23) Dullaroy MAX 071 [102mm]

Armor Index: 4.97 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 234 [APts]
External: 613 [APts] Max:[102mm]
Total Armor: 847 [APts]

Thorgrim · Post by **Thorgrim** » Thu Jun 05, 2003 1:23 pm

Originally posted by Coyote27
Just go with two or three gauss cannons for long range and either a set of mg's or two pulse lasers for close fighting, and don't try using both at once unless you feel suicidal.

It's usually pointless to carry more weapons than your heat regulator and engine can handle at once. Of course, you aren't going to be using, ie, twin plasma guns and flamethrowers+CC weapons at the same time (I hope) so you won't need to add their demands together.

GCs are not LR weapons, they're MR. PGs have longer range than GCs. Both have a min range however, so the SR weapons are not completely lost in the design. Having overheat capability is not a bad thing usually, on the contrary - as long as you can restrain yourself when firing. They can be really useful when fighting in a Polar environment for example. And for a decisive alphastrike. So those weapons won't recharge quicly - so what? You've done your thing already hopefully. As long as you have free weight and slots, excessive weapons are not lost - they might actually "protect" your other equipment from critical damage (mesons for example). My assault designs always have all slots filled, usually with MLs or SLs. More useful than a couple of APs.

Also keep in mind that good jocks can fire inside min range with good to hits.

Tribble Lord · Post by **Tribble Lord** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 2:18 am

Thanks everyone for the advice i Just like groosly overpowered titans :\

I revamped the Dreadnought design and got this:

Titan Name: <Dreadnought MK2> (Assault Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Mark MK-A4
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Weight: 199.9t (200t maximum) Height : 19 [meter]
Bmt : 34 (35 kph) Reduce Heat: -3.4C/sec.
Jmt : 14 (85 kph) for 30 secs Cost : 455723 ($)

Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Durania [Engine 7] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Triton H8 [Heat 8]
D.C.S. :Surko [D.C.S.3] [LowT]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :Mark X-S [Scan 6] [Head]
E.C.M :TraCop [E.C.M. 5] [CBT ]
JumpPort:Morola MJ [Jump 4]

Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[LA ] GAUSS CANNON (030) [2]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 7 (020) [1]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]

Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (15) Dullaroy 027 [039mm]
[RT ] (29) Dullaroy 066 [095mm]
[CT ] (29) Dullaroy 055 [079mm]
[CBT ] (19) Dullaroy 074 [107mm]
[LT ] (29) Dullaroy 066 [095mm]
[RA ] (29) Dullaroy 066 [095mm]
[LA ] (29) Dullaroy 066 [095mm]
[LowT] (19) Dullaroy 074 [107mm]
[RL ] (25) Dullaroy 069 [099mm]
[LL ] (25) Dullaroy 069 [099mm]

Armorindex: 4.40 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 248 [APts]
External: 632 [APts] Max:[107mm]
Total Armor: 880 [APts]

JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Assault Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : G.M. Energy Cannon
Warfare : Scanner Warfare(ECM)
Skills : D.C.S Ind.Fire

Also what do you people think of the idea of industrial titans and modified versions for combat?

Tribble Lord · Post by **Tribble Lord** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 2:24 am

Btw MY INVINCIBLE TRIBBLE TITANS!!!

Titan Name: <Tribble> (Assault Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Mark MK-A4
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Weight: 899.4t (200t maximum) Height : 30 [meter]
Bmt : 34 (35 kph) Reduce Heat: -50.9C/sec.
Jmt : 14 (100 kph) for 6 secs Cost : 457223000 ($)

Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Mark MK-I [Engine 8] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Triton H8 [Heat 8]
D.C.S. :Surko [D.C.S.3] [LowT]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :Mark X-S [Scan 6] [Head]
JumpPort:Morola MJ [Jump 4]

Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[RA ] PLASMA GUN
[LA ] PLASMA GUN
[LA ] PLASMA GUN
[LA ] PLASMA GUN
[LA ] PLASMA GUN
[LA ] GAUSS CANNON (045) [3]
[LA ] GAUSS CANNON (045) [3]
[RA ] GAUSS CANNON (045) [3]
[RA ] GAUSS CANNON (045) [3]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 7 (020) [1]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 7 (020) [1]
[RT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LT ] AUTO CANNON 7 (020) [1]
[LT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LT ] AUTO CANNON 7 (020) [1]
[LT ] AUTO CANNON 4 (025) [1]
[LT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]
[LT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]
[LT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]
[RT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]
[RT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]
[RT ] G.M. 6 RACK (016) [2]

Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (15) Dullaroy 0270 [0390mm]
[RT ] (29) Dullaroy 0660 [0950mm]
[CT ] (29) Dullaroy 0550 [0790mm]
[CBT ] (19) Dullaroy 0740 [1070mm]
[LT ] (29) Dullaroy 0660 [0950mm]
[RA ] (29) Dullaroy 0660 [0950mm]
[LA ] (29) Dullaroy 0660 [0950mm]
[LowT] (19) Dullaroy 0740 [1070mm]
[RL ] (25) Dullaroy 0690 [0990mm]
[LL ] (25) Dullaroy 0690 [0990mm]

Armorindex: 4.41 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 2480 [APts]
External: 6320 [APts]
Total Armor: 8800 [APts]

JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Assault Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : G.M. Energy Cannon
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : D.C.S Ind.Fire

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 2:26 am

Um...okay.

rosary · Post by **rosary** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 6:49 am

It looks pretty invincible to me.

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:50 am

Looks like it can blow itself up from overheating on the first salvo.

All that armor and no shield? Besides, for that price you can buy a black market nuke anyway.

Silvermane · Post by **Silvermane** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 1:42 pm

Back to that Dreadnought Mk2...

Engine Durania [Engine 7] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Triton H8 [Heat 8]
D.C.S. :Surko [D.C.S.3] [LowT]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :Mark X-S [Scan 6] [Head]
E.C.M :TraCop [E.C.M. 5] [CBT ]
JumpPort:Morola MJ [Jump 4]

Anybody Notice that this walking hunk of junk has no battle comp? IIRC, that's -25 to all shots...

-Silvermane

whitefirefox · Post by **whitefirefox** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 6:09 pm

question: if your new why are you designing assualts?
wouldn't it be technically better to use recons or lights so you can use them more effectively?

or did you just use the cheat thing to make some uber jocks and give your self loads of cash? (which if you did your gonna be harder pressed to beat the other guys in a random net btl)

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 6:51 pm

Originally posted by Silvermane
Back to that Dreadnought Mk2...

Engine Durania [Engine 7] [CT ]
Heatreg.:Triton H8 [Heat 8]
D.C.S. :Surko [D.C.S.3] [LowT]
LifeSup.:B.M.I. [Life 3] [Head]
Scanner :Mark X-S [Scan 6] [Head]
E.C.M :TraCop [E.C.M. 5] [CBT ]
JumpPort:Morola MJ [Jump 4]

Anybody Notice that this walking hunk of junk has no battle comp? IIRC, that's -25 to all shots...

Yes, having no battle computer in a titan with primarily long- and medium-range weapons is a serious no-no. Unless your jock has 100s in his weapon skills, don't expect to hit much without one.

rosary · Post by **rosary** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 7:26 pm

Yes, but it does have amazing armor.

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 8:13 pm

Originally posted by rosary
Yes, but it does have amazing armor.

Sure, but armor's not going to help much if he can't hit the opponent. All they have to do is stand back and blast at it. The armor won't last forever, and without a battle computer, they won't have much to worry about in the way of return fire.

Thorgrim · Post by **Thorgrim** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 8:27 pm

BTW, there's a max limit of 15 for weapons a titan can carry.
And a good old Ancient Mariner will put this guy to rest in no time - internal structure is standard (IS total pts are wrong).

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 9:30 pm

I'm slightly lost. Are we talking about the freakish invincible tribble titan, or the dreadnought Mk2? Because I was talking about the real one, the dreadnought. I don't have any comments to make on impossible titans.

Silvermane · Post by **Silvermane** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:41 pm

Well, I was referring to the Mk2 about the lack of a battle comp. I considered the Tribble Titan to be a joke.

And for the assault thing:

I think it is much harder to construct a properly working recon or light titan; an assault is big enough to pack almost any type of system, while in a smaller chassis you usually have to weigh the components against each other. It's either this or that, not both.

Also, assault combat tends to degrade into slugging matches IMHO...fire until someone drops and pray that it's not you.

-Silvermane

Of course, an assault titan DOES have it's uses. But if I was to spectate a titan match, I'd prolly go for some medium weight combat.

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:49 pm

I tend to agree with you about the difficulty of designing an effective lighter titan over an assault class one. It is harder to have to pick and choose so carefully with regards to weight and size.

On the other hand, I like assaults better than the others, for the simple fact that you can survive a hit or two. Personally, it kind of bugs me when the first shot that hits my titan knocks that area into the yellow or even the red. I like to know that my titan is durable enough to withstand some punishment before going down. I would also argue that an assault match doesn't have to degenerate into a slugfest - some of the duels Hetzer and I have had were all about feinting, using terrain and trying to outthink your opponent. The temptation to stand your ground and blast away is there, but it's more fun trying to get the drop on your foe.