Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Lowpe (J)

[CaptBeefheart]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

If US CVs get sunk during the game a replacement CV is put in the reinforcement queue - but I wonder if the same applies to CVEs? So maybe taking Portland takes all those CVEs off the queue but puts them back on somewhat later. And you don't get points for all the ships. Those that are "Building" give something like half points but those that haven't started building might not give you any points.

Neither CVs nor CVEs get replaced in the game.

Taking Portland would be a game-changer, what with the VP haul and lack of CVEs, AKs and TKs later in life. Of course, that begs the question of whether taking a port on the West Coast for a day or two, or even a month, should mean the whole build queue gets wiped out. I'd argue ships on the slips should be destroyed, but future ships could be built elsewhere, with say a two-month delay as production got re-started.

EDIT: Same goes for aircraft factories. Seattle gets wiped out? Simply grow the Boeing complex in Wichita, but with a delay, of course.

Cheers,
CC

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Allied CVEs lost in battle don't get replaced (as far as I know; but every time I make a definitive statement, somebody brighter than me comes along and points out I am mistaken).

As for the P47Bs arriving in May 1942, they'll undoubtedly face opposition from aircraft that weren't available then...and in this case it would be the IJ player that triggered their appearance into the game. So I wouldn't lose any sleep over their "miraculous" early advent.

No Allied carriers get replaced if they are lost. This was a mechanic in the old WITP and only worked for the loss of the original six carriers but was not duplicated in AE. You get all the carriers regardless of losses and if you lose them, well you have then really lost....

If the loss of a major base would cause the permanent loss of ship or aircraft production for the Allies, then that gambit would be off the table for any game that I play. We are talking about exploiting a game flaw for a win rather than playing a simulation. For some it may be fine. Does not work for me. When I want fantasy-I play Diablo.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

If US CVs get sunk during the game a replacement CV is put in the reinforcement queue - but I wonder if the same applies to CVEs? So maybe taking Portland takes all those CVEs off the queue but puts them back on somewhat later. And you don't get points for all the ships. Those that are "Building" give something like half points but those that haven't started building might not give you any points.

This only applies if the switch is set on in the scenario data. I am not aware of any scenarios that actually use this switch. It is a holdover from WITP, I think?

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

If US CVs get sunk during the game a replacement CV is put in the reinforcement queue - but I wonder if the same applies to CVEs? So maybe taking Portland takes all those CVEs off the queue but puts them back on somewhat later. And you don't get points for all the ships. Those that are "Building" give something like half points but those that haven't started building might not give you any points.

Neither CVs nor CVEs get replaced in the game.

Taking Portland would be a game-changer, what with the VP haul and lack of CVEs, AKs and TKs later in life. Of course, that begs the question of whether taking a port on the West Coast for a day or two, or even a month, should mean the whole build queue gets wiped out. I'd argue ships on the slips should be destroyed, but future ships could be built elsewhere, with say a two-month delay as production got re-started.

EDIT: Same goes for aircraft factories. Seattle gets wiped out? Simply grow the Boeing complex in Wichita, but with a delay, of course.

Cheers,
CC

This entire question is of course rendered irrelevant if the Allied player builds forts and maintains CONUS defenses [;)].

If I were planning on a CONUS invasion, I definitely wouldn't attack Hawaii first. I'd just go straight for the jugular in March, 1942.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

If US CVs get sunk during the game a replacement CV is put in the reinforcement queue - but I wonder if the same applies to CVEs? So maybe taking Portland takes all those CVEs off the queue but puts them back on somewhat later. And you don't get points for all the ships. Those that are "Building" give something like half points but those that haven't started building might not give you any points.

This only applies if the switch is set on in the scenario data. I am not aware of any scenarios that actually use this switch. It is a holdover from WITP, I think?

From the WITP-AE Manual (I never owned the original WITP):

16.1.1 AUTOMATIC SHIP REPLACEMENTS
There are several instances in which replacement ships may be provided as reinforcements
if a ship is sunk during the game. Replacement ships are generated if the option is selected
for the scenario and:
An American CV is sunk prior to 1944 will be replaced by an Essex-class CV.
An American or Australian CA that is sunk prior to 1944 will be replaced by a Baltimore-class
CA or a Cleveland-class CL. The replacement class is chosen at random.
Japanese Midget Submarines will be replaced with a Type “D” Midget Submarine
Whenever a replacement ship is created, it will be placed in the reinforcement queue with an arrival time 450 days from the date of loss.

EDIT: So it appears that CVEs are not included in the replacement rules.
Does anyone know if the replacement rules were done away with in one of the updates or Betas or DBB Mods?

[CaptBeefheart]

Thanks for the clarification, BBFanboy. I haven't stumbled across a scenario that has that switch turned on.

Cheers,
CC

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'll step in before the confusion grows amuck.

No aircraft factories have been damaged or lost, at L.A. or anywhere else. Acepylut misread something.

So this situation is just totaly victory - strategic, operational, tactical - for Jocke. The question is whether Jeff pulls himself together enough to soldier on. He has a good record of standing against despair, but this situation will really test his resolve. Encouraging words from the Peanut Gallery will be most appreciated, I think.

As for the P-47s, they do arrive in the summer of '43. Here we're already at January '43, so they're not ridiculously early. But Jocke is pointing out that an IJ invasion in early '42 would encounter Thunderbolts more than a year early.

Exactly! [:)]

From the excellent site of Joe Baugher.

This account of the P-47 Thunderbolt continues with an account of its service in the European theatre.

At one time in the days before Pearl Harbor, it had been hoped that it would be possible for the RAF to test the Thunderbolt in combat in the Middle East. However, production difficulties caused the British Air Ministry to be informed in September 1941 that it was not a good idea to do this until all the bugs had been wrung out of the design.

Consequently, it was a USAAF outfit that was to be the first to bring the Thunderbolt into service. The 56th Fighter Group based near New York City was the first outfit to receive the P-47B, and began to reequip with the type in June-July 1942. They were entrusted with the task of shaking the bugs out of their new mounts. Since their base was fairly close to the Farmingdale plant, the Group could easily call upon Republic engineers to solve problems as they were encountered. Tests and operational training went slowly, accompanied by the loss of 13 pilots and 41 aircraft in accidents. As more Thunderbolts became available, P-47Bs were subsequently issued to the 348th and 355th Groups.

The first P-47Cs arrived in England as early as December 20, 1942, and equipped the 4th Fighter Group which somewhat reluctantly traded in their Spitfires for the type. P-47Cs also reequipped the 82nd, 83rd, and 84th Squadrons of the 78th Fighter Group. P-47Cs were also supplied to the 56th Fighter Group which left their P-47Bs back home in the States when they transferred to England. Engine and radio problems caused some delays, but the first operational sorties began on March 10, 1943, and consisted of high-altitude escort duties and fighter sweeps. The first encounter with German fighters came on April 15, when the P-47Cs of the 335th Squadron shot down three German fighters for a loss of three of its own.

The high-altitude performance of the P-47C was far superior to anything the Luftwaffe could put up against it, but at low and medium altitudes the P-47C could not match the maneuverability and climb rates of its opponents. However, the P-47C could out-dive just about anything in the sky, and many a Thunderbolt saved itself from a sticky situation by using its superior diving performance to break off combat at will when it proved necessary to do so. According to Robert S. Johnson of the 56th Fighter Group, the Thunderbolt could outroll any other fighter. The Thunderbolt's eight 0.50-inch machine guns provided sufficient firepower to destroy any enemy plane which had the misfortune to come within its sights. The robust construction of the Thunderbolt enabled it to absorb a considerable amount of battle damage and still stagger home to fight another day.

The P-47Cs of the 56th, 4th and 78th Groups of the 8th Air Force were intended as bomber escorts, but were ineffectual until fitted with auxiliary fuel tanks to lengthen their range at the end of July 1943. These three groups were joined later in 1943 by seven new groups flying P-47Ds-- the 352nd, 353rd, 355th, 356th, 358th, 359th, and 361st Fighter Groups. P-47s flew escort missions until the end of 1943, when they began to be replaced by longer-range P-38 Lightnings and P-51 Mustangs which were better suited for the long-range escort role.

[JocMeister]

Hi guys.

Got an email from Jeff. Hopefully I´ll get the turn so I have it for tomorrow morning. He has hurt his knee pretty badly though. [:(]

[JohnDillworth]

So whats the next spot for an offensive? DEI, SW PAcific? Even if he decides to leave and gets most of the the troops out (small chance I think) you certainly have a fee hand for a bit

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

So whats the next spot for an offensive? DEI, SW PAcific? Even if he decides to leave and gets most of the the troops out (small chance I think) you certainly have a fee hand for a bit

I have Pencil II in about a month in the IO. Also have Paper happening very shortly. In fact the troops are already on ships heading towards the target. They will probably be spotted in 1-3 turns.

Stay tuned! [:)]

[AcePylut]

Ya my bad, thought you lost a city there. Confusion of trying to read a number of AAR's and get them all straight.

[JocMeister]

Hi guys.

Didn´t get the turn and I´m off for the rest of the day now. Kräftskiva today! (Hint: it involves copious amount of schnapps)

Hopefully I have the turn on Sunday evening.

[JocMeister]

Back from the dead. Somewhat. Yesterday was absolutely horrible. Couldn´t get out of bed until 17:30 in the afternoon...I´m too old for kräftskiva...

Anyway. Turn is away to Jeff. I had some screens to post but lost them when the computer rebooted. So you will have to do without. [:)]

[CaptBeefheart]

I googled that. It looks like you eat a ton of crayfish and drink copious quantities of aquavit or other schnapps while wearing silly party hats. In other words, my kind of fun!

Cheers,
CC

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

I googled that. It looks like you eat a ton of crayfish and drink copious quantities of aquavit or other schnapps while wearing silly party hats. In other words, my kind of fun!

Cheers,
CC

That is exactly what its all about! It was fun though. I think. Memory is a bit fuzzy! [X(]

[JocMeister]

Got the replay back.

Not much to report. Bad attack at LA. No more action. No air strikes flew.


[>:]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

I googled that. It looks like you eat a ton of crayfish and drink copious quantities of aquavit or other schnapps while wearing silly party hats. In other words, my kind of fun!

Cheers,
CC

That is exactly what its all about! It was fun though. I think. Memory is a bit fuzzy! [X(]

A large belch of heavily-fermented crayfish has been known to blow off one nostril, if not two.

You got off easy, young man.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
A large belch of heavily-fermented crayfish has been known to blow off one nostril, if not two.

You got off easy, young man.

Didn´t feel like that on Sunday. [X(]

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
A large belch of heavily-fermented crayfish has been known to blow off one nostril, if not two.

You got off easy, young man.

Didn´t feel like that on Sunday. [X(]

Losing a whole day to a party on the previous day is nature's way of saying . . . something. I forget. [:)]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Losing a whole day to a party on the previous day is nature's way of saying . . . something. I forget. [:)]

Probably nothing important anyway. [:D]