Naval and Defense News

[Triode]

two project 1155 and 1164:

left ship - "Tributs" with MR-123-02/3

Navy do not like what they recive in "Admiral Tributs" modernization (MR-123-02/3 "Bagira-M" instead of MR-145 "Lev-218" )


so they start new modernization for project 1155 on "Marshal Shaposhnikov":

"Plan 2016-2018 set 2x4 KT-184 SCRC 3K24 "Uran" (launchers for 3M24U missiles), MR-123 "Vimpel-A" are replaced by MR-123-02 / 3 "Bagira", detection radar MR-760 "Fregat-MA" is replaced by detection radar MR-710 "Fregat-M", installed radar 5P-30N2 "Fregat-H2" ("Shaposhnikov" do not have MR-350 Podkat radar so ,5P-30N2 on Podkat place) , installed a complex EW TK-25-2, installed communication system R-779-28 "
state contracts :
31603315925 http://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/publ ... yle44=true in russian for MR-123-02/3
31603473837 http://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/publ ... yle44=true in russian "Uran" launchers
rumours say it will be 2x4 "Uran" instead of 2 RBU-6000
31503140033 http://zakupki.gov.ru/223/purchase/publ ... 3&epz=true in russian for EW system TK-25-2
and etc.
there is plan to modernize four 1155 like this

we will see how it goes

[mikmykWS]

Thanks Triode.

They are great looking ships.

Mike

[thewood1]

Do those external ASM launch tubes kill any chance of reducing cross sections. It just seems like those containers must have a huge radar return and allow some pretty solid RCS profiles for missiles.

[mikmykWS]

These ships or so blocky and bumpy I don't think anything would really help.

Ship stealth is always kind of a funny subject IMHO. Beyond small combatants on rocky coasts I've never really bought into it.

Mike

[FoxZz]

About this topic, a very interesting article on the La Fayette frigates, first stealth frigates in the world, they're explaining the reason behind the stealth and the "results". Sadly, it's in French, but google trad should work.
If you cannot read it, open it in private navigation.

http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/l ... te-furtive

[kevinkins]

Eye Candy for the gang ...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... siles.html

[tjhkkr]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Thanks Triode.
They are great looking ships.
Mike

That is a cool picture!

[thewood1]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

These ships or so blocky and bumpy I don't think anything would really help.

Ship stealth is always kind of a funny subject IMHO. Beyond small combatants on rocky coasts I've never really bought into it.

Mike

Just like in aircraft, its not so much about detection as ability to targeting, detection range, or maybe a little misdirection. Media and public perception of a battle of invisibility won't go away soon.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: FoxZz

About this topic, a very interesting article on the La Fayette frigates, first stealth frigates in the world, they're explaining the reason behind the stealth and the "results". Sadly, it's in French, but google trad should work.
If you cannot read it, open it in private navigation.

http://www.meretmarine.com/fr/content/l ... te-furtive

That was a really great article. Thanks!

Mike

[Triode]

New 5 gen submarine "Husky" from "Malahit" presentation,




4500-5000t
4x533mm TT
6x4 launchers for Kalibr/Onyx/Tsirkon


all who were waiting for project 705 resurrection rejoice , this is 705 on new technical level[:)]
So, if "Yasen" is "Russian Seawolf" , this is "Russian Virginia"[:)]

[Dysta]

After the Buyan-Mod's cruise missile strike debut, it's understandable why Russia needs more smaller ships and subs for rebuilding the navy.

[lowchi]

Navy releases MQ-25 Stingray sensor RFI

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... fi-429225/

[Hongjian]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... s-with-u-s

Duterte Seeks Arms From China, Ends Joint Patrols With U.S.

Duterte Seeks Arms From China, Ends Joint Patrols With U.S.

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said he’s considering buying weapons from Russia and China while also ending joint patrols with U.S. forces in the South China Sea.
In a televised speech Tuesday before military officers in Manila, Duterte said that two countries -- which he didn’t identify -- had agreed to give the Philippines a 25-year soft loan to buy military equipment. Later, he said that Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana and “technical people” in the armed forces would visit China and Russia “and see what’s best.”

While Duterte said he didn’t want to cut the “umbilical cord” with his allies, the remarks were the latest to signal a shift away from the Philippine-U.S. defense treaty in place since 1951. Since engaging in a public spat with U.S. President Barack Obama last week, Duterte has denounced American military killings during the early days of colonial rule and called for U.S. forces to leave the southern island of Mindanao.

“I don’t need jets, F-16 -- that’s of no use to us,” Duterte said. “We don’t intend to fight any country.”

Duterte also said the Philippines won’t participate in expeditions patrolling South China Sea to avoid being involved in a “hostile act.” “I just want to patrol our territorial waters,” he said.

Looks like a major diplomatic reversal of fortunes for the US, and benefitting China in the SCS.

But from the Naval and Defense point of view, quite interesting. I wonder what sort of COIN aircraft China could offer the Philippines.
Armed K-8 trainers should be most suitable, but maybe also Pterodactyl-I or CH-4 UCAVs...

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Looks like a major diplomatic reversal of fortunes for the US, and benefitting China in the SCS.

I don't think it's easy to tell US what to do, even for Duterte:

http://www.rappler.com/nation/146058-ya ... ph-ties-us

MANILA, Philippines – President Rodrigo Duterte's statement against the presence of US forces in Mindanao does not signal a Philippine shift in policy on the United States, said Foreign Secretary Perfecto Yasay Jr on Tuesday, September 13.

Yasay gave the assurance a day after Duterte said at a public address that he does not want the presence of US special forces in Mindanao, again citing the US pacification campaign in the island group in the early 1900s, that led to the death of hundreds of Moro rebels.

"There is no shift in so far as our policy is concerned with respect to our close friendship with the Americans," Yasay said in an interview on ANC.

Once the pact is sealed, it's the president's responsibility to cooperate until the agreeable expiration on both sides. In that case, China will still be unwilling to sell weapon to Philippine as long as they have US presence.

But I can sense the scenario opportunity out there: What if Duterte is really gone wild against US, and Delfin (MoD of Philippine) is no longer believe the president can lead the country under severe disaster of diplomatic circumstances? It might be possible to following the Turkey's path, as a military coup to stop Duterte's insanity.

I rather stay silent about the political perspective with this, though. Just saying if coup really happened, this news can be the best backdrop.

[thewood1]

The Philippines thing is not going anywhere. The deep cultural relationship with the US is too strong. An incredible amount of money flows from the US to the Phil. through the government and through immigrants to the US. And the economic ties through companies is also keeping things afloat there. Filipinos are already generally tired of Duterte already. Marcos tried playing a similar game at the end and it got him nowhere.

Right now, the Philippines doesn't have to do much in the way of real defense work. The US does most of its heavy lifting. Severing ties with the US would crush the economy and force them to expand defense spending. If he truly believed in what he was doing, he wold drop all territorial claims to the islands. But he hasn't even hinted at that. If the US left Mindanao, all hell would break loose with the insurgency until the Philippines could expand defense spending. This is just some cage shaking to get some more money out of the US.

[Dysta]

So using "Arms trade with China" as a slur to tell US provide more supports to Philippine? What kind of game is that? Wasn't they are happy with South Korean fighter-trainers and US patrol ships?

[thewood1]

I have no idea what you are talking about...

I think you are asking why would a country threaten to ally itself with another country. I would like to think you weren't born yesterday, but I will explain anyway.

Countries do this to the US all the time. Threaten to more closely align to another a country. The US then comes in with more aid or better trade benefits. During the cold war, countries like Yugoslavia did it to Russia, and Egypt did it to everyone. It is a very common diplomatic tactic. Its not just about arms. Its about taxes, immigration, trade tariffs, etc.

[thewood1]

Just to put some numbers on it...from the fox news report:

"The Wall Street Journal reported that the US earmarked $79 million in military aid for Manila. The country is also set to receive $42 million from a White House initiative to build its maritime capacity".

That's almost $120M just in arms and maritime assistance. And there is a few billion flowing into the country in commercial aid and money coming in from Filipinos living in the US.

I saw that the US has received no formal request to remove any personnel. Also noted that the speech was referring to Mindanao. There are still a lot of US military personnel on Luzon and northern islands.

I'll also point out that a large number of Filipinos serve in US military under a program where joining the US military is a path to US citizenship. I have several relatives in that program.

[Dysta]

That's why I need you, wood. I was born a bit earlier than the collapse of USSR, such diplomatic measure is opaque to me.

[Dysta]

Boeing Saab unveiled the T-X trainer with a video and an animation demonstration:

http://newatlas.com/boeing-saab-t-x-roll-out/45404/