I must admit that last turn I did not expect a German panzer attack on Leningrad. If I were German, I would have left simply a holding force in place while attacking the Volkhov in full force with my panzers (in order to reach Sviritsa and prepare for the attack on Moscow). Because I expected this to happen, I decided to pull back full speed east of Lake Ladoga and so I din't stop at Janisjarvi. When the Volkhov attack did not materialize, holding at Janisjarvi was to late.
Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End (No Pelton)
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End
Oh my, that's quite a pickle you find yourself in sir.
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I know.
The thing is, I have never been playing an experienced German before (Except for a few turns against HardLuckYetAgain). I have been looking over some of my earlier PBEM games, and in those the soviets were in FAR better shape at the end of the mud, than they are now vrs Pelton. Basically, I find myself playing a completely new opening against an experienced player who has played this exact opening 50 times before.
I'm clearly the less skilled of the two players in this game.
I guess some players would just surrender and start up another game, hoping for better "luck" against another opponent. However, I'm not a quitter, and I will not surrender unless I lose Leningrad, Moscow, Voroneszh and Rostov in 1941. Those were my "surrender" settings prior to beginning the game, and I will stick to them, trying to learn all I can in the process.
The thing is, I have never been playing an experienced German before (Except for a few turns against HardLuckYetAgain). I have been looking over some of my earlier PBEM games, and in those the soviets were in FAR better shape at the end of the mud, than they are now vrs Pelton. Basically, I find myself playing a completely new opening against an experienced player who has played this exact opening 50 times before.
I'm clearly the less skilled of the two players in this game.
I guess some players would just surrender and start up another game, hoping for better "luck" against another opponent. However, I'm not a quitter, and I will not surrender unless I lose Leningrad, Moscow, Voroneszh and Rostov in 1941. Those were my "surrender" settings prior to beginning the game, and I will stick to them, trying to learn all I can in the process.
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End
Nice spreadsheet and analysis. A few stray thoughts.
Motorcycle regiments are truck consumers. A sapper regiment does just as well as a CV booster. No real value in sapper battalions either. By end of '41 I've disbanded them and the squads find their way into newly formed regiments.
You don't need the LaGG-3 -11 series. But if you has a few rail points to burn, ok.
RR Construction brigades belong in Front HQs. They are pretty expensive in manpower, so keep that in mind.
If you want heavy guns, check out the 41 Army Artillery Regiment. It has more bang than a Heavy Gun Regiment.
You could do with more recon regiments. If in fact you have 6 regiments, consider doubling up at a minimum. There are types available other than the SB-2R.
I find the BAKs very problematic. Their aircraft often aren't willing to go where you want them. I would keep all tac air under bases belonging to front air commands/air armies. If you have say 5 bases of 20, for 5 APs in a pinch you can transfer 500 aircraft to a front you want them at.
Motorcycle regiments are truck consumers. A sapper regiment does just as well as a CV booster. No real value in sapper battalions either. By end of '41 I've disbanded them and the squads find their way into newly formed regiments.
You don't need the LaGG-3 -11 series. But if you has a few rail points to burn, ok.
RR Construction brigades belong in Front HQs. They are pretty expensive in manpower, so keep that in mind.
If you want heavy guns, check out the 41 Army Artillery Regiment. It has more bang than a Heavy Gun Regiment.
You could do with more recon regiments. If in fact you have 6 regiments, consider doubling up at a minimum. There are types available other than the SB-2R.
I find the BAKs very problematic. Their aircraft often aren't willing to go where you want them. I would keep all tac air under bases belonging to front air commands/air armies. If you have say 5 bases of 20, for 5 APs in a pinch you can transfer 500 aircraft to a front you want them at.
RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End
M60A3TTS: Good points and good questions.
1) I have honestly not considered the truck cinsumption of my motorcycle support units. I have simply noticed, that I have a quite few of them back at STAVKA, and I have been thinking of ways to use them. I have decided to assign a few to a Front HQ, not so much for their CV, but more for their capacity to cause losses on the Germans. This is nothing but a test, and considering your points regarding truck use, they will probably go back to STAVKA before long.
2) My use of sappers are not really meant to boost CV's only, but also to help in building fortifications (my understanding is that Army HQ will deploy them to armies during logistics in order to help with this). I will probably start to disband them myself, as I want more "power" in the Support units I assign for winter attacks than a sapper batallion can provide.
3) The LAGG-3 '11 Series' production har been moved (one point). This is because it will be upgraded to other types of planes.
4) I have tried to send a few RR Costruction units forward in order to help with rail repair on those critical sectors, but as no rail repair wil lhappen with Germans within five hexes, there is little chance of this occurring. In the south, I just now put a few on the Southern Front, just in case the Germans should decide to encircle Stalino (breaking all rail) and then pull back to their supply lines.
5) I don't really want heavy guns in anything but my strongest armies. Heavy guns are expensive to build, and by reassigningn them to STAVKA, I hope to avoid losing a lot of them in the general withdrawal. Once I need heavy "punch" armies on a solidified front or in some desperate situation, I will reassign them forward.
6) The Luftwaffe has basically not been present at the front line for the entire game. The reasoning for this appear to be that their absence frees up a lot of trucks for German ground units. IT also means that I lose relatively few Recons, and I have not felt any real need to build more recon units up unitl this point. But, as the Luftwaffe is being moved forward by now, I guess this may soon change.
7) The reason for chosing a BAK to command my elite airforces is that I don't want to risk losing them in support of ground battles. I would rather control where I risk them. I can still reasign the individual airfields under the BAK if need be. I am considering a change in tactics.
1) I have honestly not considered the truck cinsumption of my motorcycle support units. I have simply noticed, that I have a quite few of them back at STAVKA, and I have been thinking of ways to use them. I have decided to assign a few to a Front HQ, not so much for their CV, but more for their capacity to cause losses on the Germans. This is nothing but a test, and considering your points regarding truck use, they will probably go back to STAVKA before long.
2) My use of sappers are not really meant to boost CV's only, but also to help in building fortifications (my understanding is that Army HQ will deploy them to armies during logistics in order to help with this). I will probably start to disband them myself, as I want more "power" in the Support units I assign for winter attacks than a sapper batallion can provide.
3) The LAGG-3 '11 Series' production har been moved (one point). This is because it will be upgraded to other types of planes.
4) I have tried to send a few RR Costruction units forward in order to help with rail repair on those critical sectors, but as no rail repair wil lhappen with Germans within five hexes, there is little chance of this occurring. In the south, I just now put a few on the Southern Front, just in case the Germans should decide to encircle Stalino (breaking all rail) and then pull back to their supply lines.
5) I don't really want heavy guns in anything but my strongest armies. Heavy guns are expensive to build, and by reassigningn them to STAVKA, I hope to avoid losing a lot of them in the general withdrawal. Once I need heavy "punch" armies on a solidified front or in some desperate situation, I will reassign them forward.
6) The Luftwaffe has basically not been present at the front line for the entire game. The reasoning for this appear to be that their absence frees up a lot of trucks for German ground units. IT also means that I lose relatively few Recons, and I have not felt any real need to build more recon units up unitl this point. But, as the Luftwaffe is being moved forward by now, I guess this may soon change.
7) The reason for chosing a BAK to command my elite airforces is that I don't want to risk losing them in support of ground battles. I would rather control where I risk them. I can still reasign the individual airfields under the BAK if need be. I am considering a change in tactics.
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End
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Hi,
To give feedback on images:
- More was better, I could read your previous images just fine.
- I like to zoom out so CV values are not visible in my AAR as I think they are distracting from the strategic picture. But, in some cases they can be fun/useful to see. When you do show CV values, you should press 'Z' to toggle to defensive CV value instead of MP... Showing MP is pointless.
Apart from that, I would be at a loss if I had to play that turn. I think a strike towards Tula is definitely possible, but he will restricted by supply, so he would have to be confident that he can keep his mobile forces supplied somehow while that operation tries to achieve its goals (destruction of your forward southern flank). He is in any case in no rush to take Moscow. The city can simply be surrounded and secured any time before mud. I guess he will surround Moscow first before striking towards Tula, but maybe he can do both at the same time. Again, his main restriction with your disposition of Force is the rail heads. His long flank will only be a factor if he cannot severely threaten your southern flank in one go.
To give feedback on images:
- More was better, I could read your previous images just fine.
- I like to zoom out so CV values are not visible in my AAR as I think they are distracting from the strategic picture. But, in some cases they can be fun/useful to see. When you do show CV values, you should press 'Z' to toggle to defensive CV value instead of MP... Showing MP is pointless.
Apart from that, I would be at a loss if I had to play that turn. I think a strike towards Tula is definitely possible, but he will restricted by supply, so he would have to be confident that he can keep his mobile forces supplied somehow while that operation tries to achieve its goals (destruction of your forward southern flank). He is in any case in no rush to take Moscow. The city can simply be surrounded and secured any time before mud. I guess he will surround Moscow first before striking towards Tula, but maybe he can do both at the same time. Again, his main restriction with your disposition of Force is the rail heads. His long flank will only be a factor if he cannot severely threaten your southern flank in one go.
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End (No Pelton)
How many cavalry divisions remain? How many sapper regiments do you have? How many APs?
Industry actually looks good. By the end of winter, you need most everything within his reach shipped to the Urals. That includes every last factory in the Caucasus.
Industry actually looks good. By the end of winter, you need most everything within his reach shipped to the Urals. That includes every last factory in the Caucasus.
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End (No Pelton)
I have my doubts here after losing Moscow if that is recoverable.
RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End (No Pelton)
The requested numbers are:
17 Cavalry divisions
13 sapper regiments and 24 sapper batallions
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I am not expecting to win this campaign under any circumstances, as Pelton is far more experienced than I. I will continue to put up as good a fight as I can, and then we will see how far that gets me.
As for Moscow, I plan to attack it come winter, hoping to take it back. Of course, the Population in the city will be damaged, so I can not use it for a long time.
In the south, I hope to use Odessa and the Crimean bridgehead as bases for northwards attacks. If I can threaten the German rail lines, I can force a battle more on my terms than has been happening so far.
17 Cavalry divisions
13 sapper regiments and 24 sapper batallions
53 Admin Points
I am not expecting to win this campaign under any circumstances, as Pelton is far more experienced than I. I will continue to put up as good a fight as I can, and then we will see how far that gets me.
As for Moscow, I plan to attack it come winter, hoping to take it back. Of course, the Population in the city will be damaged, so I can not use it for a long time.
In the south, I hope to use Odessa and the Crimean bridgehead as bases for northwards attacks. If I can threaten the German rail lines, I can force a battle more on my terms than has been happening so far.
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RE: Pelton vrs Dinglir, CG 41-45 Bitter End (No Pelton)
I'm trying to understand how Pelton was able to attack with the Finns over the Finnish No Attack Line while you hold Leningrad.