Naval and Defense News

[Hongjian]

[X(]
First ever photo showing the DF-21D in flight! Grabbed from a recent PLA Rocket Force exhibition, it seems.

Text basically says that it is the DF-21D, dubbed an "assassin's mace" weapon of naval war and used to target surface ships. It was tested four times from September 2014 to July 2015.

Basically looks like a DF-21C MARV, but with a distinctive nose-cone.

[xavierv]

Future Royal Australian Navy Air Warfare Destroyer HMAS Hobart Started Sea Trials

The Royal Australian Navy's future Air Warfare Destroyer HMAS Hobart started its first series of sea trials, called Builder’s Sea Trials on September 13, 2016. This phase will demonstrate the functionality of the ship’s propulsion, maneuvering, auxiliary, control and navigation systems. Following Builder’s Sea Trials, in early 2017 Hobart will undertake further trials to test and demonstrate the ship’s more advanced systems and the combat system performance.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4354

Russian Navy Pacific Fleet to receive six Project 636.6 submarines in 2019-2021 under new contract

The Russian Navy’s Pacific Fleet will take delivery of six Project 636.6 (NATO reporting name: Improved Kilo-class) diesel-electric submarines in 2019-2021 under a new contract, Admiralty Shipyards Director General Alexander Buzakov told journalists. The company will build the submarines.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4342

Russian Navy Ordered Three More Project 21631 Buyan-M Missile Corvettes with Kalibr System

The Russian Defense Ministry and Zelenodolsk Shipyard agreed last week on new deliveries of Project 21631 (NATO reporting name: Buyan-M-class) guided missile corvettes for the Russian Navy.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4351

Russian Navy Project 23120 logistic ship Elbrus starts builders sea trials

The Project 23120 lead logistic ship Elbrus has started undergoing builders sea trials at the Northern Shipyard in St. Petersburg in northwest Russia, the shipyard’s press office said.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4353

[xavierv]

First SIGMA 10514 PKR Frigate for Indonesian Navy (TNI AL) Completes Sea Trials

The first of two SIGMA 10514 PKR naval frigates for the Indonesian Navy has successfully completed its sea trials as of 7 September. This is a major milestone on a project for which the first steel was cut in January 2014.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4350

video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN9CI1vnYvk

F-35 & Aegis Combat System Successfully Demonstrate Integration Potential in 1st Live Missile Test

Two pre-eminent weapon systems, the F-35 Lightning II and Aegis Weapon System, worked together for the first time during a live fire exercise. The joint Lockheed Martin, (NYSE: LMT) U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps exercise was the first live fire missile event that successfully demonstrated the integration of the F-35 to support Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air (NIFC-CA).

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=4349

[FoxZz]

I don't know if the Gilmore report on the F-35 was posted here yet, it's quiet interesting :

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... C-Memo.pdf

[CrazyIvan101]

That DF-21D looks like a Pershing II!

[strykerpsg]

ORIGINAL: CrazyIvan101

That DF-21D looks like a Pershing II!

LOL! Was just thinking the same thing.

[CrazyIvan101]

I mean it does make sense to copy the Pershing 2 as has everything one is looking for in terms of something like an ASBM.

[Hongjian]

There are only so many design variations you can do with a single warhead MARV on an IRBM, barring you want a hypersonic glide vehicle.

In fact, the "Pershing II" design was already utilzed in a number of other Chinese ballistic missiles with MARVs: DF-15B, DF-21C and DF-16.

Also, looking closer to the picture, it appears that the DF-21D has no control surfaces at the end of the missile body, unlike the Pershing-II. This would probably indicate either thrusters are used to correct the flight path, or, more likely, TVC (as this is something China has shown for other missiles).

Additionally, this picture confirms that the ASBM is first ejected out of the tube before the rocket engine is ignited, pointing to a cold-launch.

[Dysta]

Say whatever they like about the origin and operational criteria of Chinese weapons being unoriginal. Functionality for deterrence is one of the thing they matters. Besides, it's the tech for China can muster their resources and talents to build since 90s, you cannot expect they can built anything groundbreaking besides nukes until 2010s.

[NakedWeasel]

Again, I remain skeptical. Until I see definitive proof that they can hit a moving target from a thousand miles away, I'm calling it a paper tiger. I mean, concept and theory are nice and all, but I'm not buying it until I see verifiable evidence that would stand up to the scrutiny of international observers and experts. This has everything to do with the abilities of its sensor suite. For the Chinese to suddenly be able to develop and field a weapons system that is hypersonic, trans-orbital, and theater-ranging, that can re-enter the Earth's atmosphere at sub-orbital velocity, and using an unknown radar to search and track its target well enough to maneuver, and successfully impact a moving ship far out at sea.... Yeah, I'm not buying that. Sorry, but I wasn't born yesterday.

[Dysta]

Neither am I. However, it's the US 'needs' DF-21D more than China do, to bolstering their threat for milking more military budgets. They may be right for developing SM-3/6 and THAAD, but it's definitely use it to against more than China. Remember, the bear is still here, as Ukraine and EU are right at the chaos of terrorism and Russian aggression.

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

New HQ-16 upgrade confirmed in service.

More pictures recently, notice the length of rocket engines:

[Hongjian]

Clearer photos of the new J-15T.

Note the frontal landing gear: It has a hook for a catapult.

Clearest indication yet, that China pursues a CATOBAR carrier.




Also, engines can be identified as WS-10. Rumor say that they are the latest batch WS-10B with 140KN thrust.

[Hongjian]

ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

Again, I remain skeptical. Until I see definitive proof that they can hit a moving target from a thousand miles away, I'm calling it a paper tiger. I mean, concept and theory are nice and all, but I'm not buying it until I see verifiable evidence that would stand up to the scrutiny of international observers and experts. This has everything to do with the abilities of its sensor suite. For the Chinese to suddenly be able to develop and field a weapons system that is hypersonic, trans-orbital, and theater-ranging, that can re-enter the Earth's atmosphere at sub-orbital velocity, and using an unknown radar to search and track its target well enough to maneuver, and successfully impact a moving ship far out at sea.... Yeah, I'm not buying that. Sorry, but I wasn't born yesterday.

The ASBMs do not exist to please us military watchers. Even if they work as advertized, they are unlikely to be demonstrated in anything but in anger. Launching missiles such as these in excercises or demonstrations reveal quite a few critical information that would make it easier for the enemy to counteract them later on.

The PLA is a very very conservative and risk adverse organization who arent known for trusting all too radical weapon concepts. The fact that they adopted such a system as the ASBM should be indicative of their high confidence of its effectiveness.

[NakedWeasel]

Which is to say to us skeptics, "Maybe it works, and maybe it doesn't, so be afraid just in case." That's fine. I'll prepare my fleet and personnel to defend against a very unlikely or non-existent threat, anyway. The US and her allies are already much farther along in their defensive measures against the ASBM than the PLAN's ability to use them as a deterrent against a CTF/ESG. The Chinese are banking on a "maybe threat". The US will continue to develop weapons like free-electron lasers and hit-to-kill vehicles that will be PROVEN to function before they are ever put to sea.

[Triode]

ORIGINAL: Dysta


New HQ-16

honestly it looks like 9M317 or 9M38M1 missile for me



anyway , details about "Lavina" project:




23000t
200x34x7,5 m
6000nm range
crew 400
men/BMP/tanks 500-900/50/10 (in other words one BTG (battalion tactical group))
6 "landing craft with payload no less than 45t" (in other words pr.11770)
6 "sturm boat" ( something like project 03160 (basically copy of CB90 )
12 helicopters (two hangar 6+9 positions , on deck 6 positions for medium helicopters or two for big)
2 "Pantsir"
2 "Palash"
1 1x76mm gun

This ship project interesting even not as something that will be built , but as directions
of thought of Russian Navy

[Triode]

ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

Which is to say to us skeptics, "Maybe it works, and maybe it doesn't"

well , R-27K say hi from 1970 with CEP 370m
so, technically DF-21D should be possible

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: Triode

ORIGINAL: Dysta


New HQ-16

honestly it looks like 9M317 or 9M38M1 missile for me

Because HQ-16 was originally 9K37M1, Russian sold them to India and China for their warships. The only difference is China kept their front fins while Russian Shtil hasn't, to develop HQ-16 as VLS for 054A and TELs.

The latest HQ-16B kept the long fins characteristics from Russian 9M38M1, and extended the length for new engines to extend the range.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Dysta

ORIGINAL: Triode

ORIGINAL: Dysta


New HQ-16

honestly it looks like 9M317 or 9M38M1 missile for me

Because HQ-16 was originally 9K37M1, Russian sold them to India and China for their warships. The only difference is China kept their front fins while Russian Shtil hasn't, to develop HQ-16 as VLS for 054A and TELs.

The latest HQ-16B kept the long fins characteristics from Russian 9M38M1, and extended the length for new engines to extend the range.

Ok. I've reduced the range of the HQ-16A to the published range and I've added the HQ-16b which now has the range of what was in there to begin with (and added a 0 record HQ-12A) in the new mount and facility to allow each to be mounted on the new 2016 version of the launcher.

My sense is the new missile is really closer to the SA-17 although they're probably not a 1:1 copy.

Will wait for more info to make further adjustments.

Mike

[Dysta]

And I was skeptical to HQ-16B's 70km range the media claimed. That is subpar to S-350E, while outperformed all the Russian Buk/Shtil series.

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Also, Zambian Air Force's L-15 was shown during the AAD:

http://www.janes.com/article/63820/aad- ... appearance



Will post the specification to DB3000 thread when I got time.