New BIG scenario for testing - NF 13.1 Shoulder to Shoulder

[Gunner98]

OK - important point here [:D]

In combining the two US F-15 Sqns:

57 FS Black Knights
493 FS Grim Reapers

I am going with 'Black Reapers' but there is also the option of 'Grim Knights' [:D]

Your thoughts??

B

[Ferret69]

Found a bit of glitch with 1.2; as soon as I hit play all the planes on the ground disappeared. Funnily enough the planes in the air were fine but the CVBG's and airbases were bare.

Ferret

[Gunner98]

Hay Ferret69

Welcome aboard, that sounds like something that needs to go to the tech support thread.

They will want a save game so best to do a save. Once that is done perhaps do a restart of the game and see if it persists.

B

[Ferret69]

The problem seems to have fixed itself via a restart so that's out of the way, personally I'd also go for Black Reapers for the '15's. On the naming front I think it would smooth out the player experience somewhat if squadrons spread over multiple bases had a continuation of the numbers; for 330 and 337 Squadrons RNoAF they are spread over multiple bases but the units at the satellite airfields all have the same #1-2 designation. I understand why this is but I think it would be nice if they could have their numbers changed for a sequential order.

Ferret.

[Meiktila]

I am one hour in.

All (yes, all of them) aircraft apart from some rotaries were scrambled from:
1)Rygge
2)Gardermoen
3)Flesland
4)Sumburgh

Approx. half of all AAW F-14s have also been launched.

No other strike aircraft have been used, no cruise missiles have been launched.

All AD, every hiding in the crevasse mobile unit that refuses to be shot at even, have been wiped from around:
1) Sogndal
2) Sandane

AND, the above two airfields have had their runways pummelled to max damage, and I hope all aircraft standing destroyed.

I believe for the first hour I have achieved the ordered objective to restore the south and kept a lot of strike power in hand for moving north.

I was happy until I noticed that the second (third, fourth maybe?)wave was still to come.

I feel that my air superiority assets in the South are inadequate for task, I think I am short about 16 F-15Cs. I am already chasing attack aircraft with cannon so how am I supposed to respond to what my sensors indicate?

Losses and Expenditure:
SIDE: NATO
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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3x A-6E Intruder
7x F/A-18D Hornet
8x F-14A Tomcat
3x F-14D Tomcat
10x F-15C Eagle
4x F-15E Strike Eagle
4x F-16A Falcon
4x F-16A Falcon
9x F-16CG Blk 40 Falcon
11x F-4G Phantom II [Wild Weasel V]
3x F-5A Freedom Fighter
1x Jaguar GR.3
1x Sea King Mk43


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
14x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
2x 30mm DEFA 553 x 2 Burst [50 rnds]
37x AGM-62B Walleye II ER/DL
6x AGM-65D Maverick IR
6x AGM-65F Maverick IR
15x AGM-84E SLAM
68x AGM-88B HARM
276x AIM-120A AMRAAM
12x AIM-120B AMRAAM
189x AIM-54C Phoenix
30x AIM-7F Sparrow III
43x AIM-7M Sparrow III
34x AIM-7P Sparrow III
4x AIM-9L Sidewinder
42x AIM-9M Sidewinder
47x AN/SSQ-53B DIFAR
20x AN/SSQ-53D DIFAR
43x AN/SSQ-62B DICASS
12x CBU-87/B CEM [202 x BLU-97/B Dual-Purpose Bomblets]
2x CPU-123 Paveway II LGB
380x CRV-7 C14 70mm Rocket
9x DSTV 4M LOFAR [TSM 8010]
6x GBU-24/B Paveway III LGB [Mk84]
311x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
63x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
13x MIM-14B Nike Hercules
8x Mk13 1000lb GPB
2x Mk46 NEARTIP Mod 5
6x Mk50 Barracuda Mod 0 ALWT
108x Mk82 500lb LDGP
5x SSQ-905 Jezebel LOFAR
5x SSQ-947 Julie Active Range-Only [AN/SSQ-47]
40x SSQ-963A CAMBS III



SIDE: Norwegian Defence
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------


EXPENDITURES:
------------------



SIDE: WP
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
37x MiG-23ML Flogger G
34x MiG-23MLD Flogger K
1x MiG-25RBS Foxbat D
40x MiG-27M Flogger J
8x MiG-29S Fulcrum C
2x MiG-31 Foxhound
1x PLA-671RTMK Victor III [Shchuka]
1x PLA-945A Sierra II [Kondor]
1x PLA-971M Akula II [Shchuka-B]
1x Radar (Flat Face B [P-19])
1x Radar (Long Track [P-40])
4x Radar (Snow Drift [9S18M1])
1x Radar (Spoon Rest D [P-18])
16x SA-11 Gadfly [9A38] TELAR
7x SA-11 Gadfly [9A39] LLV
12x SA-15b Gauntlet [9A331] TELAR
20x SA-6a Gainful [2P25] TEL
10x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9A33BM3] TELAR
10x Su-24M Fencer D
2x Su-24M Fencer D
2x Su-24MP Fencer F
44x Su-27S Flanker B
2x Tu-22MR Backfire C
5x Vehicle (Straight Flush [1S91])


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
1x 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]
2x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
19x 30mm Gsh-6-30 Burst [50 rnds]
4x 65-76A Kit WH
120x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
74x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27RE, LR SARH]
16x AA-10 Alamo D [R-27TE, LR IR]
4x AA-10 Alamo E [R-27P, MR ARM]
23x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
2x AA-6 Acrid F [R-40TD1, IR]
15x AA-7 Apex C [R-24R, SARH]
4x AA-7 Apex D [R-24T, IR]
7x AA-7 Apex E [R-24MR, SARH]
3x AA-8 Aphid [R-60TM]
36x AA-9 Amos [R-33, SARH]
6x AS-14 Kedge [Kh-29L]
8x Generic Acoustic Decoy
364x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
194x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
8x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
33x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
30x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
2x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
3x MG-114 Berilly
231x SA-11 Gadfly [9M38M1]
68x SA-15b Gauntlet [9M331]
22x SA-18 Grouse [9M39]
20x SA-20a Gargoyle [48N6]
48x SA-5c Gammon [5V28M5]
48x SA-6a Gainful [9M336]
59x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9M33M3]
4x USET-80K
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Now I will have to probably sit and watch while the South of Norway is freely bombarded. In the screen shot you can see clearly the still yellow craft marked by blue arrows.

By my count WP are 181 aircraft down for my 67. I lost a lot to sitting waiting for radiation and ambiguity to resolve ground based forces.

The difference now is I am skint (at least in AAW assets) but WP seems to have an endless pit.

Apart from this imbalance the scenario has been very tricky and a load of fun. Runs smooth on my 3 year old box.

[Airborne Rifles]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

OK - important point here [:D]

In combining the two US F-15 Sqns:

57 FS Black Knights
493 FS Grim Reapers

I am going with 'Black Reapers' but there is also the option of 'Grim Knights' [:D]

Your thoughts??

B

I like Grim Knights

[magi]

I like.... Dingle Berries.....
Ding dongs
Moon Pies
Fighting flatulence
Mighty Tums
Wiz Bangs
Fighting Clitorians
Schmuck rakers
..... And many others... I have more.....

[Coiler12]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

OK - important point here [:D]

In combining the two US F-15 Sqns:

57 FS Black Knights
493 FS Grim Reapers

I am going with 'Black Reapers' but there is also the option of 'Grim Knights' [:D]

Your thoughts??

B

I like the first one. "Grim Knights" doesn't sound smooth enough for some reason.

[Airborne Rifles]

Must be my partiality for my alma mater's mascot that drew me to the "grim Knights" option [:D]

[Gunner98]

OK here is V1.3

Quite a few changes, thanks to everyone for their help.

Sorry AR - went with 'Black Reapers' [:D], Grim Knights sounded to Tolkienian to me [:D]

NF 13.1 Change notes V1.3
• Added RAF Conigsby
• Added 29 Sqn RAF (Tornado F.3)
• Added 57/493 FS (F-15C)
• Added Ammo to RAF Leuchers
• Beefed up some of the A2A loadouts
• Added 181 FW, 3x ANG F-4 Sqns
• Added 162 FW, 3 x ANG A-7 Sqns
• Added an ANG F-15A sqn to help out the older ANG Wings
• Added an ANG A-10 Sqn
• All NATO is able to ‘Quick Turn around’ this is primarily for the A-10s but some of the Jag, F-5 and F-16 loadouts allow it as well.
• Removed the F-18 Sqn on the non-player side
• Moved Clemenceau and her 3 SAGs back to just NW of Iceland so they have to transit to and establish the Jan Mayan ASW block. Clemenceau cannot survive further into the fray in this scenario so I won’t put her with the main group of CVs
• Swapped in the USS Nimitz BG from the Med, removed the Eisenhower BG which has been in constant action for a month
• Added a US Patriot Bn (6 Btys) to southern Norway
• Changed up the briefing a bit (essential bits in bold)
• Turned some Soviet missions to OECM active
• Pulled a few dozen Soviet Ftrs off of the AAW sweep and put them as escorts, this should slow down the initial surge and add a few more challenges later on
• Modified a bunch of loadouts to make both sides less weather sensitive

[Meiktila]

Added Patriot -> this sounds good, could have really used those!

[magi]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

OK here is V1.3

Quite a few changes, thanks to everyone for their help.

Sorry AR - went with 'Black Reapers' [:D], Grim Knights sounded to Tolkienian to me [:D]

NF 13.1 Change notes V1.3
• Added RAF Conigsby
• Added 29 Sqn RAF (Tornado F.3)
• Added 57/493 FS (F-15C)
• Added Ammo to RAF Leuchers
• Beefed up some of the A2A loadouts
• Added 181 FW, 3x ANG F-4 Sqns
• Added 162 FW, 3 x ANG A-7 Sqns
• Added an ANG F-15A sqn to help out the older ANG Wings
• Added an ANG A-10 Sqn
• All NATO is able to ‘Quick Turn around’ this is primarily for the A-10s but some of the Jag, F-5 and F-16 loadouts allow it as well.
• Removed the F-18 Sqn on the non-player side
• Moved Clemenceau and her 3 SAGs back to just NW of Iceland so they have to transit to and establish the Jan Mayan ASW block. Clemenceau cannot survive further into the fray in this scenario so I won’t put her with the main group of CVs
• Swapped in the USS Nimitz BG from the Med, removed the Eisenhower BG which has been in constant action for a month
• Added a US Patriot Bn (6 Btys) to southern Norway
• Changed up the briefing a bit (essential bits in bold)
• Turned some Soviet missions to OECM active
• Pulled a few dozen Soviet Ftrs off of the AAW sweep and put them as escorts, this should slow down the initial surge and add a few more challenges later on
• Modified a bunch of loadouts to make both sides less weather sensitive

this is good... many thoughtful changes... blue ad will be helpful and realistic... i was going to suggest the western groups to be farther south for there sweep...

with the cloud cover at 10000k ft... will waleye and other munitions still launch...? i have so many days in this i dont want to start over for now.... i might raise the clouds to 11000k ft to be sure...

this is a very coo scenerio... for sure...

[Ferret69]

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

OK here is V1.3

Quite a few changes, thanks to everyone for their help.

Sorry AR - went with 'Black Reapers' [:D], Grim Knights sounded to Tolkienian to me [:D]

NF 13.1 Change notes V1.3
• Added RAF Conigsby
• Added 29 Sqn RAF (Tornado F.3)
• Added 57/493 FS (F-15C)
• Added Ammo to RAF Leuchers
• Beefed up some of the A2A loadouts
• Added 181 FW, 3x ANG F-4 Sqns
• Added 162 FW, 3 x ANG A-7 Sqns
• Added an ANG F-15A sqn to help out the older ANG Wings
• Added an ANG A-10 Sqn
• All NATO is able to ‘Quick Turn around’ this is primarily for the A-10s but some of the Jag, F-5 and F-16 loadouts allow it as well.
• Removed the F-18 Sqn on the non-player side
• Moved Clemenceau and her 3 SAGs back to just NW of Iceland so they have to transit to and establish the Jan Mayan ASW block. Clemenceau cannot survive further into the fray in this scenario so I won’t put her with the main group of CVs
• Swapped in the USS Nimitz BG from the Med, removed the Eisenhower BG which has been in constant action for a month
• Added a US Patriot Bn (6 Btys) to southern Norway
• Changed up the briefing a bit (essential bits in bold)
• Turned some Soviet missions to OECM active
• Pulled a few dozen Soviet Ftrs off of the AAW sweep and put them as escorts, this should slow down the initial surge and add a few more challenges later on
• Modified a bunch of loadouts to make both sides less weather sensitive

Looks great but it seems you've attached V 1.2 rebranded as 1.3 because when I fired it up none of the aforementioned changes were present.

Ferret.

[Gunner98]

OK, checked and it should be fine. Have re-uploaded it to both spots anyway.

Enjoy

B

[Rory Noonan]

I had another go today; the changes with 1.3 overall are great.

With the carrier groups further back I'm able to focus on the air war in Norway for the first few hours without goblins crawling up my rear.

With TLAM strikes, AAW ops, and several strikes on enemy airbases, the current tally at 1730Z is:

SIDE: NATO
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
13x F-16A Falcon
20x F-15C Eagle
21x F-16CG Blk 40 Falcon
12x F-4G Phantom II [Wild Weasel V]
10x F-5A Freedom Fighter
2x F-14A Tomcat
5x Jaguar GR.3
4x F-5B Freedom Fighter
6x F-16A Falcon
20x F-15E Strike Eagle
18x A-10A Thunderbolt II
2x Vehicle (AN/MPQ-53)
2x Tornado F.3
1x Vehicle (NH Target Tracking Radar (TTR))
1x Vehicle (NH Target Ranging Radar (TRR))
5x F/A-18D Hornet
3x F/A-18A Hornet
6x Patriot M901
4x Stinger MANPADS
1x Sea King Mk43
1x Lynx Mk86
2x A/C Hangar (4x Large Aircraft)
1x A/C Hangar (4x Medium Aircraft)
1x F-14A Tomcat
1x A/C Hangar (2x Very Large Aircraft)
1x U-2S
1x E-2C Hawkeye Group I
1x F-14B Tomcat
4x F/A-18C Hornet
1x F-14D Tomcat
1x P-3C Orion Update II.5
4x Harrier GR.7


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
122x AN/SSQ-62B DICASS
100x AN/SSQ-53D DIFAR
85x SSQ-963A CAMBS III
55x AN/SSQ-53B DIFAR
13x TSM 8050A Active RO
336x RGM-109C Tomahawk Blk II TLAM-C
87x RGM-109C Tomahawk Blk III TLAM-C
169x MIM-104B Patriot PAC-1
68x AIM-7M Sparrow III
32x AIM-120B AMRAAM
295x AIM-120A AMRAAM
395x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
96x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
77x AIM-9L Sidewinder
64x AGM-88B HARM
28x AIM-7F Sparrow III
87x AIM-54C Phoenix
21x AGM-65D Maverick IR
23x AIM-7P Sparrow III
20x Mk20 Rockeye II CB [247 x Mk118 Dual Purpose Bomblets]
47x AIM-9M Sidewinder
10x 370 USG Drop Tank
51x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
2x BL.755 No.1 CB [147 x GP Anti-Armor Bomblets]
22x FIM-92B Stinger POST
65x MIM-14B Nike Hercules
20x Sky Flash Super TEMP Mod.
13x AIM-9N Sidewinder
30x CBU-59/B APAM [717 x BLU-77/B Dual-Purpose Bomblets]
4x RIM-67C SM-2ER Blk II
16x ADM-141A TALD [Active RF]
12x AGM-88C HARM
18x AGM-65F Maverick IR
190x CRV-7 C14 70mm Rocket
6x Mk18 1000lb RET



SIDE: Norwegian Defence
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------


EXPENDITURES:
------------------



SIDE: WP
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
84x Su-27S Flanker B
19x MiG-31 Foxhound
18x SA-11 Gadfly [9A38] TELAR
9x SA-11 Gadfly [9A39] LLV
30x MiG-29S Fulcrum C
12x SA-15b Gauntlet [9A331] TELAR
57x MiG-23MLD Flogger K
3x Vehicle (Straight Flush [1S91])
11x SA-6a Gainful [2P25] TEL
15x Su-25 Frogfoot A
40x MiG-27M Flogger J
39x MiG-23ML Flogger G
1x Radar (Long Track [P-40])
2x Radar (Snow Drift [9S18M1])
1x A/C Hangar (1x Very Large Aircraft)
3x A/C Hangar (4x Large Aircraft)
1x Bunker (SIGINT Station)
1x Ammo Revetment
24x Su-24M Fencer D
26x Su-24M Fencer D
10x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9A33BM3] TELAR
10x MiG-25PDS Foxbat E
5x Su-24MP Fencer F
1x Tu-22MR Backfire C
1x A/C Hangar (4x Medium Aircraft)
1x A/C Hangar (8x Large Aircraft)
1x Vehicle (Clam Shell [5N66])
1x Vehicle (Tombstone [30N6])
4x SA-20a Gargoyle [5P85SE] TEL
1x Su-24MR Fencer E
2x Vehicle (Pat Hand [1S32])
1x MiG-25RBS Foxbat D
2x RK Tarantul III [Pr.1241.1MR]


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
135x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27RE, LR SARH]
211x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
375x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
68x SA-5c Gammon [5V28M5]
77x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
380x SA-11 Gadfly [9M38M1]
45x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
112x AA-9 Amos [R-33, SARH]
106x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
204x SA-15b Gauntlet [9M331]
165x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
82x SA-6a Gainful [9M336]
68x AA-7 Apex C [R-24R, SARH]
7x SA-18 Grouse [9M39]
26x AA-10 Alamo D [R-27TE, LR IR]
256x SA-8b Gecko Mod-1 [9M33M3]
31x 30mm Gsh-6-30 Burst [50 rnds]
46x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
60x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
11x AA-10 Alamo E [R-27P, MR ARM]
120x SA-20a Gargoyle [48N6]
17x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
67x SA-3c Goa [5V27D, V-601PD]
8x SA-4a Ganef [3M8M1]
75x AA-8 Aphid [R-60TM]
28x SA-10b Grumble [5V55R]
31x 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]
3x SA-12a Gladiator [9M83]
26x 23mm Gsh-6-23 [50 rnds]
16x AS-17 Krypton C [Kh-31P, ARM]
4x AA-7 Apex D [R-24T, IR]
32x AS-18 Kazoo A [Kh-59M]
136x FAB-100M-62 GPB
56x BetAB-500SP CB [12 x Anti-Runway Penetrator Bomblets]
2x FAB-500M-62 GPB
8x AA-6 Acrid F [R-40TD1, IR]
32x FAB-250M-62 GPB
2x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
48x OFAB-100-120 Frag
9x SA-4b Ganef [3M8M2]
56x AK-176 76mm/60 HE Burst [2 rnds]
2x 30mm Gsh-30-2 Burst [50 rnds]
1x SA-N-5 Grail [9M32M]

Some changes in WRA / Doctrine (shotgun after all BVR weapons, RTB immediately -- is particularly effective in the AAW patrols) have seen better results from my side.

MAG 2 conducted strikes on Sogndal and Sandane which were more effective than earlier strikes by F-16s and Jaguars. The difference with OECM from their EA-6Bs is quite noticeable. Unfortunately by the time I'd had a first unsuccessful strike and followed up with the more successful MAG 2, the enemy aircraft were off bombing my bases rather than receiving my CBUs on the ground.

The SAM batteries around Sogndal in particular are murdering my AAW birds; I'd love to create a no-nav zone around them by this unfortunately means I can't destroy them. In a scenario this large I don't have time to micro either. Oh well, could be worse!

Half of the A-10's got chewed up when I sent them to hunt down ground units around Nordberg, while the other half got caught on the ground by an airstrike. Sadly I don't think they got a single ground kill in return, although I know one or two flankers were taken down by their sidewinders.

The U-2 got caught by a Foxhound, without providing any meaningful intel. Next playthrough I'll pull it well back and save it for BDA and recon later in the scenario when air defenses have been thinned out.

The RAF/RN harriers had a good outing against the Tarantuls; sinking 2 and heavily damaging another. They're just RTBing now having lost a few of their number, while their SHAR escorts downed 4 flankers for zero losses themselves.

An alpha strike from the Carl Vinson CVBG struck Orland with good effect; thanks to heavy jamming from their EA-6Bs and lots of HARM slinging escorts there was relatively light losses.

Right now I'm counting down the next 30 mins until the ANG F-15As are ready, and then they'll ferry into Fleisland. There's a few F-15Cs arriving from the Black Reapers now to hold over the Bergen and Lillehammer CAPs until then, and things have quitened down to the point that I will feel comfortable changing the patrol levels to 1/3 or 2 on station once the ANG arrive.

When the ANG F-4s and A-7s are ready, I plan to use them to conduct some large-scale strikes; most likely against Vaernes and Orland. Meanwhile the Nimitz air wing is re-tooling for strike operations, with the most likely target being Bodo. Come to think of it, a co-ordinated strike from the Vinson and Nimitz on Bodo would probably be the best bet, as I am guessing Bodo will be heavily guarded.

TF20 has mostly stayed out of trouble, a few Backfire recons but no raids yet. Some of their F/A-18s are re-configuring for strikes against Northern Norway, but no firm plans yet.

Groupe Norde has had essentially no action, but that is largely by intention. The SAGs are moving ahead to commence ASW ops as ordered, while the Clemenceau is lagging a little to give a buffer zone. TLAM strikes took out the helipad, runway and HQ bunker on Jan Mayen so there shouldn't be too much else to deal with there.

As I said before, the 1.3 changes are great. There is a huge difference in enjoyment as I'm able to keep up with the pace of everything that's going on without feeling overwhelmed.

[magi]

Geezzz......

[Gunner98]

Thanks for the report Apache

B

[U6443]

Please adjust the range of the SAM .e.g. to 75%
So it is too easy. I return my fighter as soon as I see a SA-11 Gadfly. All the SA-11 fire at about 25nm distance and run out of energy (or Miss)...

Otherwise I have just started[:D]

[Gunner98]

Anything else on this one guys?

B

[magi]

so far i like this better.... the only little thing i dont get is the positioning on the Nimitz group... just starting... remarkable scenario... stunning really.... im so slow it will take me days to play....