Naval and Defense News

[Hongjian]

Looks like the YJ-8/C-80X AShM scored its first actual combat kill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTNeEYlO3Iw

Yemeni forces have targeted and destroyed an Emirati military vessel in a rocket attack near the Red Sea port city of Mokha, al-Masirah TV says. The C-802 is the export upgraded version of the Chinese anti-ship missile YJ-8 (Chinese: 鹰击-8, literally "Eagle Strike"; NATO reporting name: CSS-N-8 Saccade).

The ship is a wave-piercing, aluminum-hulled, commercial catamaran with military enhancements, such as a helicopter flight deck, vehicle deck, small boat and unmanned vehicle launch and recovery capability, and a communications suite. While from the front the vessel looks like a trimaran, the center hull does not rest in the water and is not used for buoyancy. Propulsion is provided by directional water jets, so the ship does not have propellers or a rudder for steering, and can maneuver in twelve feet of water.

As of July 2015 the vessel is reported to be operated by the UAE's National Marine Dredging Company. The United Arab Emirates are part of the ongoing Saudi-led War in Yemen.

[Dysta]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Looks like the YJ-8/C-80X AShM scored its first actual combat kill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTNeEYlO3Iw

Holy heck, one shot and the whole aluminum hull set ablaze like a powder keg.

But what missile is it, to be exact? C-802 should be YJ-82 (NATO Saccade), while YJ-8 is C-801 (NATO Sardine).

ORIGINAL: gosnold

I don't see the point an air-launched ASBM: It seems less flexible to me than the existing DF-21D and DF-26.

To use it as an range extender -- air launch from higher altitude could gain extra range, as well as to be launched outside the mainland.

But H-6 (K or not) have only 10 tons of maximum loadout weight, DF-2X is definitely too heavy for it.

[thewood1]

Plus there are only about 60 H-6s. I keep seeing all the claims for large ASM being fired from H-6s. But they are pretty limited in numbers.

[Hongjian]

ALBM could be based on the lighter DF16, as they can save a rocket stage when launched from 10km altitude.

But let's wait till there is new evidence.

[Broncepulido]

Well, after the ex HSV-2 Swift demise (see video), we can reckon on the same impact in a Independence-class LCS ... (yes, I know Independence displacement is some 2607 tn and Swift only some 940, but after the very fast extending fire is indifferent).

[hellfish6]

Yeah, that's crazy. I can't believe it isn't all over the news.

For those who don't know:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/10/y ... 36896.html

There's video out there too.

[Dysta]

Think tank suggested US Navy to forget the term "A2/AD", said it is just as old and same meaning as traditional skirmishing:

https://news.usni.org/2016/10/03/cno-ri ... ad-acronym

[Triode]

"Swift" after missile hit:

[thewood1]

I suspect it might have been an ATGM. I think it was pretty close to sure and seems relatively easy to get one as a rebel.

[Hongjian]

ORIGINAL: thewood1

I suspect it might have been an ATGM. I think it was pretty close to sure and seems relatively easy to get one as a rebel.

In the video one could see the seperating booster-stage. I do think it is an AShM.

Trimarans are hard to fully sink, unlike conventional ships. But the internal damage and the burnt aluminium hull should be severe enough to put it out of commission for forseeable time.

[Dysta]

It looks horribly mangled, the missile itself already done the job as "anti-ship". Without steel hull it's only matter of time being scrapped even it's still floating.

[orca]

AMRAAM ER first flight

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/ray ... light-test

[comsubpac]

Germany is ordering 4-6 C-130J to replace the Transall in 2021 mostly for special operations where the A400M is to big. The planes will be stationed in France.

https://www.produktion.de/nachrichten/u ... n-361.html

All ASST A3 Tornados of the Bundeswehr are currently grounded because a part has been recalled. That includes the 6 planes stationed in Turkey.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschla ... 15578.html

[kevinkins]

Perhaps a slight change in thinking on Germany's part vis–à–vis this article from a year ago ...

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/ger ... ying-13748

[De Savage]

Sorry.. Can't post links.

Finland's Defence Ministry says it has scrambled jets twice in the past 24 hours to monitor suspected airspace violations by Russian fighters.

Source: BBC

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Russia moving nuclear-capable missiles into Kaliningrad, says Estonia
(Source: The Guardian)

On Thursday, a Russian military An-72 aircraft penetrated Estonian airspace over the island of Vaindloo without permission and spent about minute and a half in the country’s airspace.

The aircraft transponder was switched on, but no flight plan was submitted and the aircraft did not respond to radio contact with the Estonian air movement service.

The Estonian foreign ministry on Friday summoned the Russian ambassador to Estonia to hand him a protest note.

Finland said two similar planes had passed over its territory as it prepared to sign a defence pact with the US.

[Triode]

Pantsir-SM radar mast for Russian Navy , MRK pr.22800 and other ships:


"Developed in the framework of the"Pantsir-SM". It is a multifunctional station targeting, which allows almost double the range .In addition, it is radar module with active phased array(AESA).", - Khomyakov said.

He recalled that the existing firing range for complex "Pantsir-S1" is about 20 kilometers , and the new version will increase the range up to 40 kilometers.

With this radar new "Pantsir" will be able to detect targets at a distance of 75 kilometers (compared to 40 kilometers from the current version), added Khomyakov.
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3682156 in russian

Pantsir-SM use new missile with :210mm diametr booster (vs 170mm on 57E6(AKA 95Ya6)) , 40km max range 35 km max height of target(20 km and 15 km for 57E6 ), and 1880m/s max speed (vs 1300m/s for 57E6 missile)
It is pre-production data so, how this will be in reality we will see.

[magi]

ORIGINAL: De Savage

Sorry.. Can't post links.

Finland's Defence Ministry says it has scrambled jets twice in the past 24 hours to monitor suspected airspace violations by Russian fighters.

Source: BBC

- - -

Russia moving nuclear-capable missiles into Kaliningrad, says Estonia
(Source: The Guardian)

On Thursday, a Russian military An-72 aircraft penetrated Estonian airspace over the island of Vaindloo without permission and spent about minute and a half in the country’s airspace.

The aircraft transponder was switched on, but no flight plan was submitted and the aircraft did not respond to radio contact with the Estonian air movement service.

The Estonian foreign ministry on Friday summoned the Russian ambassador to Estonia to hand him a protest note.

Finland said two similar planes had passed over its territory as it prepared to sign a defence pact with the US.

Unsettling.....

[Hongjian]

http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0928/c90000-9121141.html

Chinese navy to receive first sailing training ship 'Polang'

A formation ceremony for a new navy fleet was held in Guangzhou, Guangdong province on Sept. 26. Within the new fleet is China's first sailing training ship, "Polang."
The fleet is responsible for maintaining naval culture, instructing naval officers on sailing and carrying out international military exchanges. The ship is numbered “86,” and its name, “Polang,” means to brave the wind and have high ambitions. The ship is 85 meters long, 11 meters wide, with 1,200 tons of standard displacement. It is capable of accommodating 50 naval students at a time.The construction of Polang began in May 2016, and was carried out by the Guangzhou Shipyard International Company. The ship will be completed in 18 months, and will set sail by the end of 2017. At present, Polang's future staff has already been selected.

The ship will be used mainly by naval academy students to conduct trainings in mast climbing, sailing, navigation and more. Hou Zhixin, the first political commissar of Polang, emphasized that the classic type of training Polang facilitates is essential and irreplaceable for naval students.

the CDF blog provides some more information:

http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2016/ ... ships.html

The PLAN will get two new training ships.

The first one is the "Break Waves", PLAN's first ever sail-training-ship with three masted square rigger, similar that of RNOV Shabab Oman.

Construction started May this year in Guangzhou and expected to launch second half of 2017. The "Break Waves" will bear the pennant number of "86" and serve under the Dalian Naval Academy.

Personally, I prefer to see a Zheng He treasure ship replica in service with the PLAN over a more "Western" design. China's maritime tradition is just as proud as the next guy, but hey that's just me.

Overall: 85 m
Beam: 11 m
Speed: 18 kn
Displacement: 1200 t
Midshipmen: 50

[Dysta]

It will serve little to none of purpose on CMANO, I'm afraid. What kind of scenario would be when a training ship is involved?

Even it can be included, then what about the USS Constitution?

[Hongjian]

Testing of the truck mounted SA-2 76mm Anti-Aircraft gun system.

The muzzle device looks like those on the PGZ-07 35mm SPAAG, possibly indicating AHEAD airburst capability.





http://www.china-arms.com/2015/09/sa2-7 ... -unveiled/

This gun system is based on the same naval gun as the PJ-26/AK-176 widely used on China's warships.

As of now, it is offered for export. Whether the PLA will adopt it or not is unknow.