Question Regarding Allied Supply Points

[Scholomancer]

Hello, I bought AE years ago after playing WiTP for several years, but I just got around to playing it for the very first time. I'm catching up on\remembering most of the game play and mechanics, but I wasn't sure of a few things about AE. I've taken a look through the manual, and again did some key-word searches on the forum, but nothing specific came up.

Right now (Dec 8) I'm sweeping up all of my errant merchant ships and tankers and sending them to collection points for convoys.

In the original, the Allied supply points were (generally) Karachi and the West Coast. Ergo, you can build your convoy systems out of each port.

HOWEVER, with the addition of world wide off map bases, where the are Allied "supply fountains" located? Are there still on-map locations that generate intense quantities of supplies and fuel? Or are they the off-map locations so that you (in the case of British India and Australia) have to create convoy systems out of England, the East Coast or even Panama or Cape Town?

Or do you have to create your own resource\oil convoys to keep supplies and fuel going?

OR do the Allies have supply centres, as well as the option of running resources and oil back to the right locations to increase production?

I just don't want to create a strategic error right off the bat, and ruin my first attempt in years to play AE, and any advice is always greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[BBfanboy]

The USA produces virtually unlimited supplies so any big port on the west coast will eventually have enough supplies for a huge convoy. They don't start out with that amount of supply but in 2-3 weeks they will have lots. Most will accumulate in SFO because of the large port and airfield, and its "National Base" status but if you are shipping some out of other large ports they will start getting more in - supply goes to where the demand is.

You can also increase supply at these bases by using the supply draw button - on the base screen next to the "Supplies Required" text - you can increase the supply in 1K increments up to 25K. Because the base will normally hold up to 3X the "required" supply the 25K increase in minimum required will translate to 75K increase in holdings (because millions are available on the continent).

Use L.A., San Diego, Seattle, Vancouver and Prince Rupert as key shipping locations. P.R. needs to be built up so just move all the Canadian BFs there and put them to work. You do not need to build the Canadian interior bases very much. Also move the available Cdn. Bdes there to safeguard the base and contribute their engineers.

Britain will eventually have huge amounts of supply but it is farther from Cape Town than the EC USA, so I do not use it. Once the Mediterranean opens in 1943 it may be shorter to ship from Britain to Aden than from EC USA to CT or EC USA to Aden.

Karachi is not the biggest port in India so it will not accumulate the most supply. Most will go to Bombay, and you can build Madras and Calcutta large enough to hold decent amounts of supply. BUT, although a decent amount of supply is generated in India, demand for it to fill out understrength units or build infrastructure is also very high. You need to ship supply in from CT.

Australia is similar to India in this respect - it can produce enough to feed itself but to grow its military might it needs additional supply.

The above is only a start point on the supply system so if you have more questions fire away as they come up.

[Platoonist]

ORIGINAL: Scholomancer

ere the are Allied "supply fountains" located? Are there still on-map locations that generate intense quantities of supplies and fuel? Or are they the off-map locations so that you (in the case of British India and Australia) have to create convoy systems out of England, the East Coast or even Panama or Cape Town?

Or do you have to create your own resource\oil convoys to keep supplies and fuel going?

OR do the Allies have supply centres, as well as the option of running resources and oil back to the right locations to increase production?

Hi. Probably your most profitable off map location supply fountain is the US East Coast box. You are getting 65,000 supply points a turn there plus 4000 points of fuel. This box is tied in to the overland rail connections with the very productive industrial and oil regions around Southern California with the end result that the US West Coast and Pacific Canada act pretty much an inexhaustible on map source of supply for shipping supplies out to Hawaii or Australia.



You can also haul supply from places off map via convoys from major supply fountains like Capetown, Aden, or fuel from Abadan. This is how India and Australia tend to get most of their fuel shipped in. You can even work convoys if you like between the US East Coast and Capetown and all the other off map boxes. There are a few on map places that generate supply automatically without industry(like Kunming for the Allies if the Burma road is open) but I believe they are small and few in between.

[BillBrown]

If you look at table 6.2.10.3 you will see that the distance from Eastern USA to Capetown is 170 hexes and the distance from UK to Capetown is only 162 hexes so it is closer to use UK.

After the Med route is open to Aden, it is much closer to ship to there, but there will also be some very large supply TFs that arrive at Aden.

Eastern USA produces 40,000 fuel each day.

[Scholomancer]

Thanks guys! I'm assuming EC & UK via Capetown is a closer(faster) round trip than the West Coast so I'll get started.

(With the Philippines and NEI I usually send most of them to the WC.)

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: BillBrown

If you look at table 6.2.10.3 you will see that the distance from Eastern USA to Capetown is 170 hexes and the distance from UK to Capetown is only 162 hexes so it is closer to use UK.

After the Med route is open to Aden, it is much closer to ship to there, but there will also be some very large supply TFs that arrive at Aden.

Eastern USA produces 40,000 fuel each day.

UK is closer, but it's pretty easy to pull the UK dry shipping to CT. I dimly recall the fuel in UK is on the order of 500,000 in stock? I usually just set up EC to CT runs and let them crank. UK is only rarely of interest, except occasionally as a heavy skimmer shipyard to stash a very hurt vessel or two if CT's yard is full. After the Med opens to Aden the UK really doesn't matter even more. Aden gets convoys with millions and millions of supply and fuel free of the outbound shipping. Getting those stocks to Asia will occupy many scores of ships.

[BillBrown]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: BillBrown

If you look at table 6.2.10.3 you will see that the distance from Eastern USA to Capetown is 170 hexes and the distance from UK to Capetown is only 162 hexes so it is closer to use UK.

After the Med route is open to Aden, it is much closer to ship to there, but there will also be some very large supply TFs that arrive at Aden.

Eastern USA produces 40,000 fuel each day.

UK is closer, but it's pretty easy to pull the UK dry shipping to CT. I dimly recall the fuel in UK is on the order of 500,000 in stock? I usually just set up EC to CT runs and let them crank. UK is only rarely of interest, except occasionally as a heavy skimmer shipyard to stash a very hurt vessel or two if CT's yard is full. After the Med opens to Aden the UK really doesn't matter even more. Aden gets convoys with millions and millions of supply and fuel free of the outbound shipping. Getting those stocks to Asia will occupy many scores of ships.

My post was to correct mistakes stated above it. If I use UK depends on the particular scenario. Some have UK getting 5000 supply per day and others as low as 100 per day. So how I use UK is variable. I usually do set up some shipping from UK to CT and others from EUSA to CT. In the early going that slightly shorter transit time can make a difference, not great, but every little helps in the first few months of the war.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: BillBrown

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: BillBrown

If you look at table 6.2.10.3 you will see that the distance from Eastern USA to Capetown is 170 hexes and the distance from UK to Capetown is only 162 hexes so it is closer to use UK.

After the Med route is open to Aden, it is much closer to ship to there, but there will also be some very large supply TFs that arrive at Aden.

Eastern USA produces 40,000 fuel each day.

UK is closer, but it's pretty easy to pull the UK dry shipping to CT. I dimly recall the fuel in UK is on the order of 500,000 in stock? I usually just set up EC to CT runs and let them crank. UK is only rarely of interest, except occasionally as a heavy skimmer shipyard to stash a very hurt vessel or two if CT's yard is full. After the Med opens to Aden the UK really doesn't matter even more. Aden gets convoys with millions and millions of supply and fuel free of the outbound shipping. Getting those stocks to Asia will occupy many scores of ships.

My post was to correct mistakes stated above it. If I use UK depends on the particular scenario. Some have UK getting 5000 supply per day and others as low as 100 per day. So how I use UK is variable. I usually do set up some shipping from UK to CT and others from EUSA to CT. In the early going that slightly shorter transit time can make a difference, not great, but every little helps in the first few months of the war.

I was only talking about fuel from the UK. I never am short of supply at CT.

[rustysi]

Hello, I bought AE years ago after playing WiTP for several years, but I just got around to playing it for the very first time.

Welcome to our nightmare!!![:D] Have fun, ask questions, and say goodbye to everyone you know.[:'(]

The above advice meets with my personal approval.

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Scholomancer

Hello, I bought AE years ago after playing WiTP for several years, but I just got around to playing it for the very first time. I'm catching up on\remembering most of the game play and mechanics, but I wasn't sure of a few things about AE. I've taken a look through the manual, and again did some key-word searches on the forum, but nothing specific came up.

Right now (Dec 8) I'm sweeping up all of my errant merchant ships and tankers and sending them to collection points for convoys.

In the original, the Allied supply points were (generally) Karachi and the West Coast. Ergo, you can build your convoy systems out of each port.

HOWEVER, with the addition of world wide off map bases, where the are Allied "supply fountains" located? Are there still on-map locations that generate intense quantities of supplies and fuel? Or are they the off-map locations so that you (in the case of British India and Australia) have to create convoy systems out of England, the East Coast or even Panama or Cape Town?

Or do you have to create your own resource\oil convoys to keep supplies and fuel going?

OR do the Allies have supply centres, as well as the option of running resources and oil back to the right locations to increase production?

I just don't want to create a strategic error right off the bat, and ruin my first attempt in years to play AE, and any advice is always greatly appreciated.

Thanks

1. Read chapter 13 of the manual for the production arithmetic.

2. Hit your "I" short cut key and then the "9" short cut key to see where your production centres are and what they are capable of.

3. The "J" short cut key takes you to the Industry Management screen which shows whether the production centres have the necessary feedstuff to generate output.

Alfred

[Yaab]

DBB-C scenario 28, off-map supply, Allies