Flying airplanes from US east coast to Europe

[juntoalmar]

Hi,

Is there a way of moving airplanes for US East Coast to Europe without a transport? I can't land them on Greenland, Iceland or Azores (they are neutral) and I have been only able to send some long range NAV to the middle of the Atlantic to patrol and basing them in Morocco at the end of the turn. But I wonder if it's possible somehow.

Thanks!

[Orm]

I recommend that US occupy Greenland and Iceland. That is, of course, only possible if Axis has declared war on Denmark.

[juntoalmar]

By occupy you mean "invade" I guess. I though that as being a land of an "ex-ally" (Denmark) it would be possible to use it directly as a base.

Regarding war declaration, does Iceland have army?

Thanks for your answer!

[Orm]

No. I meant that US should pick the US entry option Occupy Greenland & Iceland . Can be done before US goes to war but should at least be among the options taken when US goes to war with the Euro-Axis.

Cut from RAC:

7. Occupy Greenland & Iceland - You can declare control of Greenland and Iceland during any future Allied
declaration of war step. [The US Entry Options Occupy Greenland Iceland and Occupy Northern Ireland by the US
are implemented as soon as they are chosen: in the end-of-turn US Entry phase.] When you do, move any other
Allied units in Greenland or Iceland to the nearest hex their major power controls. You can only choose this entry
option if an Axis major power has declared war on Denmark and no Axis land unit is in Greenland or Iceland.
[Clarification. This option can be taken even if the Axis have conquered Greenland and Iceland, provided the above
conditions are met - Aug. 24, 1998.]

[juntoalmar]

Thanks! I haven't tried that.

[Joseignacio]

It's basic. [:)]

As it is for many players, later on, to declare war on Portugal, to be able to use Azores for this purpose and as a base to patrol angainst German wolfpacks.

If you don't do these you have to ship the vast majority of your planes, and even if you do them, you'll still have to embark some short range models, good for your Northern Africa or European Campaign, letting the longer range ones for Pacific...

[juntoalmar]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

It's basic. [:)]

Absolutely (this is my first Global War... [:)])

[Courtenay]

Usually the US does not have to occupy Greenland and Iceland, because they will have gone to the CW after the Germans have invaded and conquered Denmark. If the Germans haven;t invaded Denmark, the Baltic is open for some exploits that the Allies can do, so the Germans have always invaded Denmark as soon as they get good weather in every game I have played.

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Usually the US does not have to occupy Greenland and Iceland, because they will have gone to the CW after the Germans have invaded and conquered Denmark. If the Germans haven;t invaded Denmark, the Baltic is open for some exploits that the Allies can do, so the Germans have always invaded Denmark as soon as they get good weather in every game I have played.

As CW I never have the forces available (nor the time) to send to Greenland and Iceland so they always go neutral in my games.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Usually the US does not have to occupy Greenland and Iceland, because they will have gone to the CW after the Germans have invaded and conquered Denmark. If the Germans haven;t invaded Denmark, the Baltic is open for some exploits that the Allies can do, so the Germans have always invaded Denmark as soon as they get good weather in every game I have played.

As CW I never have the forces available (nor the time) to send to Greenland and Iceland so they always go neutral in my games.

Indeed, and why would you run a 51% risk of losing a US entry chit by DoWing them once they become neutral territories, when as a consequence of the US Entry Action you may get an increase in the US Tension Pool?

(Sure, as the CW, you could send a Div to each of them if playing with SCS Transport and you have the action limits and the turn doesn't end.)

[Joseignacio]

I am surprised. Do they go to the UK after Denmark is conquered. In my games this always happens in the 1st or 2nd impulse, but we let them neutral till :

Occupy Greenland & Iceland - You can declare control of Greenland and Iceland during any future Allied declaration of war step. When you do, move any other Allied units in Greenland or Iceland to the nearest hex their major power controls. You can only choose this entry option if an Axis major power has declared war on Denmark and no Axis land unit is in Greenland or Iceland.

Were we doing it wrong? They inmediately join the allies? It would make sense generally speaking but I thought these were an exception because of the previous rule.

[Centuur]

No. You didn't do anything wrong here. But still: it's better to choose the option and take those two neutral countries, than to DoW them.

[Joseignacio]

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Usually the US does not have to occupy Greenland and Iceland, because they will have gone to the CW

So invading is what he means here?

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Usually the US does not have to occupy Greenland and Iceland, because they will have gone to the CW

[Orm]

After Denmark is completely conquered the Danish territories will become neutral unless a major power has influence there. Therefore Greenland and Iceland go neutral in many games.


RAC: 13.7.1 Conquest
....
Complete conquest
....
Each remaining territory and conquered home country it controls becomes controlled by the major power
with the greatest influence in that country or territory (see incomplete conquest above). If no-one has any influence
there, that territory or home country becomes neutral. Each neutral territory may subsequently be declared war on as
if it were a minor country.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Usually the US does not have to occupy Greenland and Iceland, because they will have gone to the CW

So invading is what he means here?

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

Usually the US does not have to occupy Greenland and Iceland, because they will have gone to the CW

It would not be an invasion if done the turn that Germany DoWs Denmark. As long as Denmark aligns with the CW, then a Div may be landed in each and then they would become CW controlled when Denmark is conquered, per the "Influence" rule.

As I stated, CW needs the actions, the lift, and the impulses to get this done before that turn ends.

[juntoalmar]

ORIGINAL: Orm

No. I meant that US should pick the US entry option Occupy Greenland & Iceland . Can be done before US goes to war but should at least be among the options taken when US goes to war with the Euro-Axis.

But, when the US goes to war against Germany, all the remaining options aren't selected by default?

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: juntoalmar

ORIGINAL: Orm

No. I meant that US should pick the US entry option Occupy Greenland & Iceland . Can be done before US goes to war but should at least be among the options taken when US goes to war with the Euro-Axis.

But, when the US goes to war against Germany, all the remaining options aren't selected by default?

Yes, they are. My Bad.

[juntoalmar]

In that case, why can't I (in my game) simply occupy Greenland and Iceland? I have had to declare war to them, and thus making them "Germany controlled" land (and now I need to make an invasion in order to control some hex where the planes can land on their way to Europe).

[Joseignacio]

You should be able to, it could be a bug, but first I would check all the rest of the possible reason. For example whether you have the air moves left...

[juntoalmar]

It's been a couple of turns ago, but as far as I remember the program said it was a neutral country (I couldn't move ships into their ports either). In fact, I have declared war on Greenland and Iceland, so they weren't aligned with the allies (I guess).