Rook749 vs Lam0ttePicquet (DBB028-C)

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I think I need the combined damage to be less than 50 and I have only 66 days and counting?

I did not know this if true .... somebody might comment .. but sailing the CV to Sydney and trying to withdraw might
be the first option ... [8D] 67 days is not going to fix much major floatation [;)]

I agree that 67 days is not enough. It usually takes two days for a big SY to repair one point of major floatation damage on a CV or BB.
I would not tie up Sydney's shipyard for this - you need it badly to turnaround ships that are not withdrawing.
Send her to PH or Seattle and see how it goes, or sail her to Tokyo and clear some mines.

Well my thought was that Sydney is the closest port to test this theory that an overly damaged ship cannot withdraw
.. So I guess this is true??

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Crackaces



I did not know this if true .... somebody might comment .. but sailing the CV to Sydney and trying to withdraw might
be the first option ... [8D] 67 days is not going to fix much major floatation [;)]

I agree that 67 days is not enough. It usually takes two days for a big SY to repair one point of major floatation damage on a CV or BB.
I would not tie up Sydney's shipyard for this - you need it badly to turnaround ships that are not withdrawing.
Send her to PH or Seattle and see how it goes, or sail her to Tokyo and clear some mines.

Well my thought was that Sydney is the closest port to test this theory that an overly damaged ship cannot withdraw
.. So I guess this is true??

Yes. I can't remember the exact criteria but it is something like >100 points total damage and no more than 50 in any one category. I think the base conditions were changed to ANY national base or off-map base. Can someone correct or confirm? - the manual does not cover this well.

[Crackaces]

Yes. I can't remember the exact criteria but it is something like >100 points total damage and no more than 50 in any one category.

If true .. then scuttling would be the best option when the time comes .. because that floatation damage is not going to be fixed < 50 in 66 days ..

[Anachro]

It's a really annoying mechanic. A better restriction would be to require a ship to be in an offmap port or on the WC to be withdrawn with >50 damage. That way there is still the danger of it being sunk on the way home, while avoiding the gamey tactic of disbanding in a nearby on-map port like Sydney or Bombay to avoid danger.

[rook749]

From
CICPAC
to
POTUS

Please find a summary for the following for Pacific Theater of Operations, seven day. After engaging the Combined Fleet, we are confidante in reporting this as deceive tactical and strategic victory for the allies. At this time --- we believe the Japanese lost two of the six fleet carriers that make up the Combined Fleet. Of the remaining four carriers, none were capable of flight operations on the second day of the what is becoming the Battle of Raoul. It is possible that two additional carriers have been lost but we are not able to confirm this one way or the other.

With the loss of 141 B5N2 TB (106 to OPs), 134 D3A1 (92 to OPs) and 94 A6M2 (54 to OPs) we have dealt a significate blow to elite pilots of the Japanese Navy. Current estimates are that it will take ninety to one hounded and twenty days to return all four carriers to combat operations.

The British Indomitable Fleet Carrier is under tow and is one day from Raoul Island for repair so it can be withdrawn for operations in the European Theater of Operations. Indomitable took the brunt of the Japanese attack – 42 System, Flood 88(56) and Engine 60(36) with a speed of 1. While the desperate need for this carrier in the European Theater my cause us some political issues in sixty days when she is not ready to withdraw if this is the worst outcome of the battle this can be smoothed over.

The Fleet Carrier Saratoga will refuel at Pago Pago and then withdraw for upgrade and repair. Saratoga is at 33 System, Flood 12(6) and Engine 17(3) with a speed of 24. The British design with the armored flight deck will need to be explored as the Saratoga took far more damage with far less effort from the Japanese. The Lexington will fuel at Auckland and then make its way to Peal for upgrade.

The movement of forces for operation Ironhide has been disrupted and may not make the date set of June 1st for the invasion forces to sail. The combat forces are in place but the fuel and supply delivery was disrupted by movements of both carrier fleets before and after the battle.

As always……

[Crackaces]

Well I supposed the New "and Improved" Caledonia is the next target? The other option is to strike more centrally given the hurt you just put on the IJ ..

[rook749]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Well I supposed the New "and Improved" Caledonia is the next target? The other option is to strike more centrally given the hurt you just put on the IJ ..

Those are the two options I a looking at, the original objective of Ironhide was to ---

1) Secure airfields to support operations in New Caledonia and New Hebrides.
2) Draw the Combined Fleet into a battle under my air and search umbrella.
3) Draw his limited forces further from his lines of supply.

We are still going to launch Ironhide but the next line of advance could be to take New Caledonia and New Hebrides or could be far more aggressive. I am looking to see what kind of time it would take to prepare the forces for Option Blur which is something far more aggressive..... I had some forces preparing for this just in case but I don't think I have enough force to warrant the risk....

[rook749]

Operation Ironhide
Due to the Battle at Raoul it looks to be about two weeks form the forces departing port......

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: rook749

The British Indomitable Fleet Carrier is under tow and is one day from Raoul Island for repair so it can be withdrawn for operations in the European Theater of Operations. Indomitable took the brunt of the Japanese attack – 42 System, Flood 88(56) and Engine 60(36) with a speed of 1. While the desperate need for this carrier in the European Theater my cause us some political issues in sixty days when she is not ready to withdraw if this is the worst outcome of the battle this can be smoothed over.

The Fleet Carrier Saratoga will refuel at Pago Pago and then withdraw for upgrade and repair. Saratoga is at 33 System, Flood 12(6) and Engine 17(3) with a speed of 24. The British design with the armored flight deck will need to be explored as the Saratoga took far more damage with far less effort from the ...

Raoul Island will repair damage at a rate limited by the Port size + any Naval Support at the base. I am guessing this is minimal.
You do need to pump out Indomitable's minor flood damage but you do not need to repair engine and system damage before moving her to a bigger port like Sydney. IOW, if her damage gets to Sys 42, Float (56) and Eng. 60(36) you can probably move her at cruise speed to a port where repairs will take place faster.
When she is down to the minimums for withdrawal I think Sydney is a place that can allow it.

For Saratoga, if you are going to send her to PH or USA for repairs/upgrade, do not fully refuel her at P-P. Select Minimum Refuel if you are confident she will not meet any IJN on the way home or Tactical Refuel if you want her to have a little reserve. No sense hauling extra fuel back to home port!

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Well I supposed the New "and Improved" Caledonia is the next target? The other option is to strike more centrally given the hurt you just put on the IJ ..

If Noumea is heavily garrisoned I would try to isolate New and Infested Caledonia by taking bases like Efate, Luganville, Ocean Is. and Nauru Is. From the latter you can threaten Kirakira, Guadalcanal, Tarawa and Tabituea - all islands with decent potential.

You don't have a lot of land strength yet so I am suggesting you avoid places you cannot take quickly.

[Jorge_Stanbury]

Hello Rook749 nice showing!!

This might sound gamey, but at this point, you should try to sink Indomitable, the daily cost in PP points is going to be too high.
another (small) point: armored deck won't help against torpedoes, only bombs, so it is a bit unfair to question their designers

And this is a great example that the use of KB needs to be conservative after the early "fun" days:
- Within LBA range
- With SCTF/ Sub "scouts"
- Using hit and run tactics, maintaining low DL, withdraw after a few attacks/ sprties

Now the hardest: convince your opponent to remain committed to the game [:D]

[Jorge_Stanbury]

Your 1st priority for heavily damaged carriers should be reach a base, so you can save the skipper, if he is good, and more important disembark the air squadrons: both planes and squadrons are valuable, and you don't want to lose them if the ship sinks.
EDIT: I don't remember if you need to be "docked" to do it... it is either you need to dock, or maybe you can unload if the ship is disbanded, something you might want to test

Then seriously: 42 System, Flood 88(56) and Engine 60(36)... it is a very likely chance it will sink regardless of what you do, so once the aircraft are disembarked, I suggest you go full speed, "do not refuel"... eventually lack of fuel will increase damage until it can be scuttled

[rook749]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Raoul Island will repair damage at a rate limited by the Port size + any Naval Support at the base. I am guessing this is minimal.
You do need to pump out Indomitable's minor flood damage but you do not need to repair engine and system damage before moving her to a bigger port like Sydney. IOW, if her damage gets to Sys 42, Float (56) and Eng. 60(36) you can probably move her at cruise speed to a port where repairs will take place faster.
When she is down to the minimums for withdrawal I think Sydney is a place that can allow it.

For Saratoga, if you are going to send her to PH or USA for repairs/upgrade, do not fully refuel her at P-P. Select Minimum Refuel if you are confident she will not meet any IJN on the way home or Tactical Refuel if you want her to have a little reserve. No sense hauling extra fuel back to home port!

I have three repair ships, in route plus some naval support ---- Port Level 1 (68%) climbing to 3. The short term plan is get the speed above 0 (maybe around 10) and then move to either Auckland/Sydney to repair until they can withdraw. Both Auckland/Sydney will allow withdraws as I have done so at both this game. Saratoga will just do a tactical refuel as she will be almost out of gas when she arrives at Pago Pago.

[rook749]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
If Noumea is heavily garrisoned I would try to isolate New and Infested Caledonia by taking bases like Efate, Luganville, Ocean Is. and Nauru Is. From the latter you can threaten Kirakira, Guadalcanal, Tarawa and Tabituea - all islands with decent potential.

You don't have a lot of land strength yet so I am suggesting you avoid places you cannot take quickly.

The original operation "Bumblebee" was to invade Noumea, at this point I will most likely scrub this operation as he is there is full force. The 19th Infantry Divisions and ~28K worth of troops. I am hoping to pull more forces to Noumea with these moves.

[rook749]

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury
Hello Rook749 nice showing!!

This might sound gamey, but at this point, you should try to sink Indomitable, the daily cost in PP points is going to be too high.
another (small) point: armored deck won't help against torpedoes, only bombs, so it is a bit unfair to question their designers

I though hard about scuttling the Indomitable as I still can, a little gamey but 65 PP per day would hurt. I want to try and see how fast I can get her feet but I may have to scuttle her anyways..... But I have never lost a carrier in a CV battle and I don't want to have to start now [:D]. As far as being unfair to the engineers with my "demands" I am MANAGMENT don't bother me with facts just get it done yesterday and for no slip in cost or time!!!!![;)]

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury
And this is a great example that the use of KB needs to be conservative after the early "fun" days:
- Within LBA range
- With SCTF/ Sub "scouts"
- Using hit and run tactics, maintaining low DL, withdraw after a few attacks/sorties

Now the hardest: convince your opponent to remain committed to the game [:D]

Yes, when playing an allied player whom wants to fight in 1942 the KB is a heavy weight fighter with the glass jaw.

[rook749]

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Your 1st priority for heavily damaged carriers should be reach a base, so you can save the skipper, if he is good, and more important disembark the air squadrons: both planes and squadrons are valuable, and you don't want to lose them if the ship sinks.
EDIT: I don't remember if you need to be "docked" to do it... it is either you need to dock, or maybe you can unload if the ship is disbanded, something you might want to test

Then seriously: 42 System, Flood 88(56) and Engine 60(36)... it is a very likely chance it will sink regardless of what you do, so once the aircraft are disembarked, I suggest you go full speed, "do not refuel"... eventually lack of fuel will increase damage until it can be scuttled

If has taken four days so far and in one more day the Indomitable will reach Raoul to unload her two ACU's and see how long it will take to get its speed to something better than her current 0.....

Then I can see about scuttling her if the repair time is too long.

[rook749]

From
CIC-RAN
To
CIC-SWPAC

It appears that the Japanese have not lost their fighting spirit, for the fourth time the “Mini-Combined Fleet” is raiding the birth area. Unfortunately, this time they have found the last convoy from Capetown to Perth. The losses are unfortunate but should not have any strategic impact.

The first convoy have already begun shifting to use the US West coast supply route and should arrive in twenty days to the SWAPC area. The second convoy will leave Capetown in two days for the same route and the third convoy will leave twenty days after this. Each Convoy will move from Capetown to the SWPAC via the Falklands. All of these convoys will rebase to the US West coast when complete.

With the Victory over the “Main Combined Fleet” this is the shortest as well as they safest route. There is also a chance that the remining ABDA force north of the “Mini Combined Fleet” will engage the Japanese.

I will be forwarding some options for possible traps should the Japanese return for another visit……

Summary of Action on May 24th:
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Geraldton at 48,138

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18
B5N1 Kate x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 4 damaged
B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Boise
DD Kortenaer

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Perth at 45,147

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 38
B5N1 Kate x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 7 damaged

Allied Ships
AM Tanager
xAK Glenaffric, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Empire Niger
xAK Bellerophon
xAK City of Hankow, Torpedo hits 1 [sinks later]
xAK Tantalus, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Summary of Action on May 25th:
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Perth at 44,144

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 31
B5N1 Kate x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 7 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Piet Hein, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Banckert
DD Witte de With
CL Boise, Bomb hits 1

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Piet Hein

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Perth at 44,144

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
B5N1 Kate x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 8 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Boise
DD Banckert
DD Morris
DD Piet Hein, on fire

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Perth at 47,147

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
B5N1 Kate x 6

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IA: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAK Empire Niger, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AVP Heron

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B5N1 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Empire Niger

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Perth at 47,147

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
B5N1 Kate x 6

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 7

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Empire Niger, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AVP Heron

[rook749]

CV Indomitable
Port Level 1(88%) of 3 with one AR one day out and two more fifteen days outs. There are 56 days until the ship is due to withdraw. There is 72 Naval support at the base. The hope is to get the speed above 1/0 and get it to Sidney.

Any thoughts?

[rook749]

CV Indomitable
Port Level 1(94%) of 3 with one AR now on-site and two more ~fifteen days outs. Dropped the # of Day to repair from 201 to 98. This might be doable.......

[rook749]

From
CINPAC
To
POTUS

We were expecting to provide an update on the actions off the Western Coast of Australia but it seems at this time the "Mini-Combined Fleet" has withdrawn. However there are three items we wanted to bring to your attention.

(1) Action in Burma
It seems the Japanese may be up to something. They have been bombarding Port Blair from the air for weeks but have recently started to probe Prome on the main land. The combined forces of the AVG and British air forces dealt them another blow. As the combat air patrol for this came from Rangoon, another British Fighter unit was moved in from Calcutta to reinforce the area. It may be necessary in the future to further reinforce this area with American fighter units already in theater in India.

Morning Air attack on 107th RAF Base Force, at 55,50 (Prome)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 17
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 30

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14
P-40E Warhawk x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 5 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 7 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

(2) NoPAC
Heavy losses were suffered yesterday when a transport forces (the troops were already ashore) at Adak Island. A IJN Cruiser bombardment forces ran into the transport force at night.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Adak Island at 162,52, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko
CA Haguro
DD Hayashio
DD Amatsukaze
DD Satsuki
DD Minazuki
DD Nagatsuki

Allied Ships
KV New Westminster, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
KV Timmins, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
xAP Princess Elizabeth, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Princess Joan, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Princess Elaine, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAP Princess Alice, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Princess Adelaide, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Princess Charlotte, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Princess Victoria, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Kelantan, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

(3) The Battle of Raoul
The CV Shokaku is now believed to have been sunk on the 16th of May 1942.