Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
ORIGINAL: Alpha77
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
The squad change is historical. The IJA changed the structure of their squads - notice how the load cost drops from 19 to 17 as well. They reduced the number of men in the squads. Looked it up, or it came up on these forums, some time ago.
The flak updates aren't so much on the device stats IIRC, but the layout and so forth.
Yes, it is probably historical. I was confused someone mentions IJA gets more AT in 43 squads, but that was probably a mod. So scen 1 should have the same downgrade of 43 squads then, right? I believe in the "babes" IJ motor squads are already better from the start and 43 they get 20 or so +AT. They should get a bit better, also in soft imho, IIRC they get a better LMG also in service. +10 AT and + 2 AS would be fair. This is not much compared to the Allied upgraded. I also doubt every British or Indian squad in this theater had a PIAT. Maybe not even in Europe. Apart from the fact PIAT was not really good (yes it got lucky hits on Tigers)
I guess in the "normal" last patch version game I play AA is pretty effective already, at least Allied one (as it should be). If Allied planes fly low even IJ gets the one or other lucky hit [;)] Gotta check out the beta you guys talk about...
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Too bad about your CAs... [:(]
The carrier losses ought to slow him down. Makes up for your early war losses, perhaps.
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Too bad about your CAs... [:(]
The carrier losses ought to slow him down. Makes up for your early war losses, perhaps.
Well, exactly. Not quite even though still. I've lost four CVs in game and a few CVL. The Allies have now lost 2-3 CVs and about 8-12 CVEs. I've sunk 1-2 fast BBs and a good amount of CA/CL, but now just lost three more CA, as you point out. I'd have to check but I think that means I have only about 8-10 left.
Very confused at why we're talking about quitting right now.
ORIGINAL: obvert
I hope the game continues, but it looks like Joseph may not be willing to go forward within the framework we began with, the basic HRs and gameplay we agreed to when he picked it up. I've asked that if he decides to stop that I can yet again try to find someone to take over the Allies and play into the late game. Not sure if anyone would be interested now, but I'd hate to let it go while it's in the most interesting phase of the conflict.
ORIGINAL: obvert
Very confused at why we're talking about quitting right now.
ORIGINAL: Drakanel
ORIGINAL: obvert
I hope the game continues, but it looks like Joseph may not be willing to go forward within the framework we began with, the basic HRs and gameplay we agreed to when he picked it up. I've asked that if he decides to stop that I can yet again try to find someone to take over the Allies and play into the late game. Not sure if anyone would be interested now, but I'd hate to let it go while it's in the most interesting phase of the conflict.ORIGINAL: obvert
Very confused at why we're talking about quitting right now.
I have been following both AARs, and so I have posted very little on this thread. I will pitch in my 2 cents. He obviously took very bad this turn of events, the 8 hex strikes. However, I want to say you obviously have nothing to apologize for. He is being unreasonable here.
Sure, the 8 hex strikes may feel "unjust" because the allies cannot do them. But then again, the entire Allies OOB can feel just as much "unjust" to the japanese player. After all, japan will never have 30 or so CVs. Not to mention everything else.
Even a particularly bad land battle roll can feel "unjust", when a strongly defended position falls due to bad luck. It's part of the game. All this game is filled with dice rolls, and some of them will go bad. It's life, and it does not change the fact that he could still do a lot of things and progress in different directions. Besides, a game such a Witp is about the journey, not about the destination.
I really hope you can continue this game though, either against him or against someone else. I have been liking it, it's interesting.
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Too bad about your CAs... [:(]
The carrier losses ought to slow him down. Makes up for your early war losses, perhaps.
Well, exactly. Not quite even though still. I've lost four CVs in game and a few CVL. The Allies have now lost 2-3 CVs and about 8-12 CVEs. I've sunk 1-2 fast BBs and a good amount of CA/CL, but now just lost three more CA, as you point out. I'd have to check but I think that means I have only about 8-10 left.
Very confused at why we're talking about quitting right now.
To be blunt, it seems that he wasn't entirely prepared for your possible response and got burned by it. I would guess that to be the source of most of his frustration.
He wouldn't need to wait 9 months to do other things. There are plenty of other targets. It's a bit late to have been invading towards Darwin, IMO - and not even 100% prepped, as his artillery landing shows. Beyond that, it doesn't look like he lost that many amphibs (although I'm unsure of any previous losses), which would be his true limiting factor - not the loss of carriers. He gets so many that unless we're talking about the Allies losing 10-12 carriers, he'll be able to conduct operations that move the peanut towards Allied victory.
Digging deeper - it looks like his CAP did awful. Over 400 planes up in the combat report, but a strike package of only 100 planes got through to cripple/sink Essex in that second strike? I'd be willing to bet he ran "leaky CAP", which I've long posited is much, much weaker than range 0 CAP. So, CAP settings. The first strike had 450+ Allied CAP, but a package of 300+ planes for you. Of course some of those are going to get through.
It's also worth noting that those CVEs don't have even decent AA until 9/44, when they go from 400-rating to 1000-rating.
ORIGINAL: Andav
Hey Overt,
I think Sqz is being completely silly about all of this. I do not know why he would think the game is over at this point and he can't do anything for 9 months. Figuring out the puzzle is what makes the game fun. I do hope you get to continue. I have told witpqs he needs to pick up the Allies.
Wa
ORIGINAL: Drakanel
ORIGINAL: obvert
I hope the game continues, but it looks like Joseph may not be willing to go forward within the framework we began with, the basic HRs and gameplay we agreed to when he picked it up. I've asked that if he decides to stop that I can yet again try to find someone to take over the Allies and play into the late game. Not sure if anyone would be interested now, but I'd hate to let it go while it's in the most interesting phase of the conflict.ORIGINAL: obvert
Very confused at why we're talking about quitting right now.
I have been following both AARs, and so I have posted very little on this thread. I will pitch in my 2 cents. He obviously took very bad this turn of events, the 8 hex strikes. However, I want to say you obviously have nothing to apologize for. He is being unreasonable here.
Sure, the 8 hex strikes may feel "unjust" because the allies cannot do them. But then again, the entire Allies OOB can feel just as much "unjust" to the japanese player. After all, japan will never have 30 or so CVs. Not to mention everything else.
Even a particularly bad land battle roll can feel "unjust", when a strongly defended position falls due to bad luck. It's part of the game. All this game is filled with dice rolls, and some of them will go bad. It's life, and it does not change the fact that he could still do a lot of things and progress in different directions. Besides, a game such a Witp is about the journey, not about the destination.
I really hope you can continue this game though, either against him or against someone else. I have been liking it, it's interesting.
