Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Lowpe (J)

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: crsutton

It has been a while, would you list out the Japanese and Allied capital ship losses to date? Thanks,

Having experience it a few times now, I no longer fret the loss of Chungking. In fact I pretty much lost all of China in both my campaigns. Losing China really does not have much of an affect on the war in general. That is, the Allies can easily win even if China remains in Japanese hands.

It is a nice VP buffer for Japan, but otherwise I agree.

[Capt. Harlock]

Japanese forces CAPTURE Chungking !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
3491 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 670 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 52 disabled
Guns lost 41 (1 destroyed, 40 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
34857 casualties reported
Squads: 1961 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 3730 destroyed, 102 disabled
Engineers: 145 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 189 (179 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Units retreated 58
Units destroyed 13

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!



VP wise Japan gets a small boost. He will get a few more once he manages to hunt down the stack evicted from Chungking. But as can see in the screen VP wise it havn´t changed much.

Sadly though most of the industry is left intact which is a huge disappointment. Per HR I´m not allowed to strat bomb in China. The whole reason for staying in Chungking was to wreck the industry. Had I known this I wouldn´t even have bothered trying to defend it.

I could be completely wrong about this, but I think the problem was that so many engineers were destroyed before they could dismantle the industry. Note the ratio of destroyed to disabled.

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]Shiplosses[/font]
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Not too bad for the Allies. 6 BBs lost at PH + 1 lost to a sub. 3 CVs lost to subs. I really wish my subs could completely ignore any ASW efforts like the Japanese ones...

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]Cox[/font]
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Dang, Jeff managed to get a full Japanese ID into Cox. As far as I remember this ID has completely been missed by SIGINT.

Ground combat at Cox's Bazar (54,43)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23860 troops, 198 guns, 294 vehicles, Assault Value = 788

Defending force 29339 troops, 215 guns, 265 vehicles, Assault Value = 918

Allied adjusted assault: 230

Japanese adjusted defense: 683

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
789 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 106 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 16 (2 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
666 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 90 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 22 disabled


Assaulting units:
18th British Division
1st Marine Division
9th Indian Division

Defending units:
1st RTA/A Division
14th Tank Regiment
18th/C Division
1st RTA/C Division
18th/B Division
2nd Tank Regiment
1st RTA/B Division
38th Division
3rd RTA/C Division
17th Army
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
91st JAAF AF Bn
25th Air Defense AA Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /5

Need to change out Vandergrift. From an earlier game I found out something is bugged with him. He is the reason for the (-) on leaders.

Time to settle in for a long siege rather than a quick capture. Need to land all the heavy equipment. They will unload at Chittagong to redistribute the load among all ships. A Command/Corp HQ combo will move within range. I also have some semi prepped armor + another division ready at Calcutta.

Dang. I really wanted a quick capture here.

[Lokasenna]

If Japanese subs ignore your ASW, how have you sunk 10 of them? And how have I sunk dozens upon dozens of them? [:'(]

As for Vandegrift, the leaders(-) happens because of dice rolls. I had a thread on it a while back where a guy who was 60+ in everything was getting the (-) and sometimes also the (+). And are you sure it isn't the British or Indian leader?

[BBfanboy]

Why not march the equipment from Chittagong to Cox's Bazar? No landing losses that way, and your ships can get out of harm's way before IJN ships, subs and torpedo bombers show up.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

If Japanese subs ignore your ASW, how have you sunk 10 of them? And how have I sunk dozens upon dozens of them? [:'(]

As for Vandegrift, the leaders(-) happens because of dice rolls. I had a thread on it a while back where a guy who was 60+ in everything was getting the (-) and sometimes also the (+). And are you sure it isn't the British or Indian leader?

Indian and Brit leaders are very good.

I can´t remember the specifics about it but I remember from my game with Erik I ran into problems with Vandergrift. Was constantly getting the (-) leaders and absurdly bad results. Switched him our for someone else and after that I never had an issue.

If I remember correctly I did test it in sandbox. Its somewhere in my old AAR if you want to dig it up. I think it was when I was trying to recapture Boela. So probably in late 44.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Why not march the equipment from Chittagong to Cox's Bazar? No landing losses that way, and your ships can get out of harm's way before IJN ships, subs and torpedo bombers show up.

I can´t. He has 1300 AV in the way. [:)]

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Why not march the equipment from Chittagong to Cox's Bazar? No landing losses that way, and your ships can get out of harm's way before IJN ships, subs and torpedo bombers show up.

I can´t. He has 1300 AV in the way. [:)]

Details, details.....

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Why not march the equipment from Chittagong to Cox's Bazar? No landing losses that way, and your ships can get out of harm's way before IJN ships, subs and torpedo bombers show up.

I can´t. He has 1300 AV in the way. [:)]

Details, details.....

[:D]

[RangerJoe]

You did very well on the west coast. Your DD bombardment may have worked so well because of the move mode of the Japanese units. You might just want to have your units dig in and when your forts are high enough, then use your artillery to bombard.

As far as the West coast gambit goes, how about massively building up Japanese airbases off the Southern California coast for the LBA? From the main invasion force units, have small detachments of the main invasion force units just in case the invasion goes FUBAR so the units can be rebuilt.

Do you have any paratroopers in India? If so, recon the Burmese bases and see if there is an empty base or has a relatively weak force at a base. If you have local air superiority, then a massive ground attack could help liberate a base for an airhead.

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

You did very well on the west coast. Your DD bombardment may have worked so well because of the move mode of the Japanese units. You might just want to have your units dig in and when your forts are high enough, then use your artillery to bombard.

As far as the West coast gambit goes, how about massively building up Japanese airbases off the Southern California coast for the LBA? From the main invasion force units, have small detachments of the main invasion force units just in case the invasion goes FUBAR so the units can be rebuilt.

Do you have any paratroopers in India? If so, recon the Burmese bases and see if there is an empty base or has a relatively weak force at a base. If you have local air superiority, then a massive ground attack could help liberate a base for an airhead.

Yeah, move mode is probably the explanation. Regarding building up bases I think would take too long. I havn´t played the Japanese but from what I understand engineers are in short supply. Building up bases to operational levels would probably take a long time.

I have paratroops but not enough lift capacity for it to be meaningful. [:(]

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]Santa Ana[/font]
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Added some oomph to the bombardments. [X(]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 02, 43
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Night Naval bombardment of Santa Ana at 226,76

Japanese Ships
DMS W-15, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Mississippi
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
DD Chew
DD Ward
DD Hull
DD Dewey
DD Worden
DD Monaghan
DD Phelps
DD Carmick
DD Strong
DD Aulick
DD Abbot

Japanese ground losses:
1919 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 62 disabled
Non Combat: 14 destroyed, 81 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 13 (4 destroyed, 9 disabled)

[BBfanboy]

Ranger Joe: As far as the West coast gambit goes, how about massively building up Japanese airbases off the Southern California coast for the LBA? From the main invasion force units, have small detachments of the main invasion force units just in case the invasion goes FUBAR so the units can be rebuilt.

Ranger Joe - is your advice meant for the Japanese player rather than JocMeister? i.e. the part about building up Japanese airbases.

Is the second part about invasion force units about Jocke's invasion of West Coast Burma?

[RangerJoe]

Yes, the first part is about the Japanese invasion forces although it can work for any invasion. By keeping just a small segment of the unit somewhere safe and supplied, then there would not have to be an attempted and possibly violently opposed evacuation. The part about building up the islands would be for the Japanese land based air supporting the invasion in southern California.

The second part is about the current situation in Burma.

[JocMeister]

Sorry for the lack of updates (again).

Work and kids...and very little to report.

[Crackaces]

I think you like the situation at Cox's Bazar ... those IJA units will be drawing supply at an insidious losses you have more direct supply routs it not a rapid decline but a slow death while time advances and you get the toys of 2944
meanwhile airpower and bombardments to disrupt.. also that US marine division has a tremendous amount of concentrated firepower

.. I think it takes at lest 25K of supply to take reinforcements In a stock scenario lots of supply is manufactures in the DEI ...in this .. its got to come from LI somewhere ...

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]Victory at Santa Ana![/font]
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A good day. The Japanese forces finally caves in at Santa Ana. This concludes the Japanese operation on the West Coast. Now its just mopping up the remains of the 150.000 troops at Camp Pendleton.

Huzzah! [&o]

Ground combat at Santa Ana (226,76)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 85223 troops, 1559 guns, 3600 vehicles, Assault Value = 3089

Defending force 115795 troops, 1466 guns, 1367 vehicles, Assault Value = 2801

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Allied adjusted assault: 1413

Japanese adjusted defense: 664

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Santa Ana !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
25810 casualties reported
Squads: 494 destroyed, 203 disabled
Non Combat: 1321 destroyed, 138 disabled
Engineers: 348 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 548 (431 destroyed, 117 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1207 (1191 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Units retreated 32

Allied ground losses:
1495 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 165 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 58 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 29 disabled
Guns lost 110 (5 destroyed, 105 disabled)
Vehicles lost 126 (7 destroyed, 119 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

[JocMeister]

[font="Verdana"]Burma[/font]
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Well, the Cox landing wasn´t a total fiasco as the Japanese leaves their roadblock outside Chittagong. This opens up the road for the 3200 Allied AV there to pursuit. I have several armored units that will start moving out immediately.

The landing was a big failure though. Unloading just took too long. I have now unloaded for 6 days and everything still hasn´t unloadeded. Lack of prepp certainly didn´t help either. Very glad I didn´t try this at Moulmain outside LBA...

Our CAP has been kept busy at Cox.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Cox's Bazar at 54,43

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 27
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 56
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 19

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 24
Hurricane IIc Trop x 40
Mohawk IV x 14
P-40K Warhawk x 51

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 20 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 6 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed

None break through.

[DRF99]

Nice to see you put a good spanking on those pesky invaders. All that's left is the mopping up!