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Week 65: March 3rd – March 9th 1943
North Pacific:

Base building continues at Amchitka, Umnak and Attu. No IJN sub attacks or sightings in the area this week, but I’m still on the lookout.




Central Pacific:
Theater is back to being quiet.




Southern Pacific:
Theater is quiet.




New Guinea/Solomons:
The Japanese garrisons at Salamaua, , Nadzab, Wau, Manus and Kavieng continue to hold out. Allied forces are grinding them down slowly but surely.

KB is still anchored at Hollandia. Reports continue to indicate 6-9 CV’s with 100F/170B. No signs of enemy movement so far.
On the 6th (right on schedule) Tiger Balm starts off with a bang…for both sides. The Japanese get the first shot in, hitting CVE Sangamon with a torpedo (25 SYS/27 FLT) off Rabaul. While I never welcome a result like this, in this case, Sangamon took one for the team, which meant the 8 BB’s it was protecting have a clear lane to Rabaul. CVE’s will be a dime a dozen pretty soon, so I feel the trade was worth it.

That night, the Allied counterblow began with those 8 BBs bombarding Rabaul and turning its airfield into a mass of flames and destruction. Over 280 enemy planes are damaged on the field and there is a reported 44 runway hits. The next day, approximately 180 bombers raid Rabaul and add to the inferno. At the end of the first day the tally is: 116 Runway Hits, 69 Airbase Hits, and 4 Supply Hits. For enemy aircraft, we got 19/114 Fighters, 3/40 Bombers, and 14/130 Auxiliary (Destroyed/Damaged). Oh and about 500 casualties (14 destroyed/49 disabled…all were non-combat squads). Best news of all was Rabaul’s airfield was 100% damaged after the first day, and stayed that way all week. As the week went on, I transferred more bomber squadrons off airfield attack to ground attack hoping to cause disruption and sap away the defenders supply. Japanese AA fire was pretty intense and I upped raid altitudes a few thousand feet to offset this. Currently the plan is to keep up the pressure in the air for another week, then send in the troops.




DEI/Philippines:
In the Philippines, all my base are belong to Japan.

In the DEI, Japan continues their intermittent Brunei bombings, but no sign of invasion. Nothing else of note in the region.




SE Asia/China:
Continuing to grind the enemy at Akyab. I have a few reinforcements that total about 250 AV that will be arriving early next week, and I plan on launching a deliberate at that time.

In central Burma, the Chindit force continues its next “move about the left flank”, this time targeting Taung Gyi. Still no signs of enemy presence in the area.

In China, Chengchow holds amid more IJA deliberate attacks. Japanese bombardments continue at Wuchow and Nanning.




IJN Watch:

-6-9 CVs (100F/170B) and 1 BB spotted at Hollandia all week.




Notable Base Captures:
-None




Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 3,826 [+90]
Biggest Losses (#):SBD-3 Dauntless (331), F4F-4 Wildcat ( 277), P-40E Warhawk (256)

Japanese: 9,992 [+421]
Biggest Losses (#): G4M1 Betty (1,971), Ki-48 Lily (1,548), Ki-27b Nate (790)


Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 458 [+1]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CVE Copahee, CVE Nassau, CA Astoria, CA Portland, CA Adelaide, CL Durban, CL Sumatra, CL Java

Japanese: 873 [+9]
Notables: CV Soryu, CVL Shoho, CVL Zuiho, CVE Taiyo, CVE Hosho, BB Kongo, BB Fuso, BB Mutsu, CA Mogami, CA Mikuma, CA Suzya, CA Adoba.


Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,070 [+9]
Japanese: 4,982 [+42]
A/J Ratio: 1.82 to 1


VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 33,398 [+525]
Japanese: 25,942 [+183]
A/J Ratio: 1.29 to 1




Operation Tropic Thunder
Phase 1A - LAZARUS: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Finschfen – COMPLETE
-Capture Umboi Island – COMPLETE
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hansa Bay UNDERWAY [Armed Force advancing from Lae has reached Nadzab and is doing the bombard/deliberate iteration. Current Allied AV advantage is 110:44]

Phase 1B – FOUR LEAF: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Namatanai – COMPLETE
-Capture Kavieng – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 264:130, Japanese forts still at 4]
-Capture Massau Island – COMPLETE
-Capture Manus – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 125:55, Japanese forts still at 4]

Phase 2 – TIGER BALM: March 1943 – April 1943
-Capture/Neutralize Rabaul [Most troops are at 100 prep, the exception is the 37th Inf. Div, (a late addition) which is at 76]
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hollandia




Other Notes:
-I updated dates for all phases of Operation Tropic Thunder to more closely resemble reality. I was the victim of my own wishful thinking after Operation Cumberland went so well. The targets of the current Op are better defended and its showing in my delayed timetable…basically everything has shifted two months to the right. I’m not discouraged though, as I still have the initiative and the front lines are moving the right way (toward the home islands).


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I am not sure if you know this from the way you have written about damaged aircraft, so I will mention that a report of 280 aircraft damaged in a bombardment does not mean there are 280 aircraft damaged, it means 280 shell fragments damaged an unspecified number of aircraft. The numbers reported destroyed in the Intel Report should be within 15% of accurate.
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I am not sure if you know this from the way you have written about damaged aircraft, so I will mention that a report of 280 aircraft damaged in a bombardment does not mean there are 280 aircraft damaged, it means 280 shell fragments damaged an unspecified number of aircraft. The numbers reported destroyed in the Intel Report should be within 15% of accurate.

I did misunderstand the meaning of "damaged aircraft" in the combat report, thanks for the clarification BBF.[&o]
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Week 66: March 10th – March 16th 1943

North Pacific:

Base building continues at Amchitka, Umnak and Attu.




Central Pacific:
Theater is quiet.




Southern Pacific:
Theater is quiet.




New Guinea/Solomons:
In an early week minor action, Wau falls to the Allies. Despite the ‘minor’ reference, this results is definitely ‘major’ because it effectively surrounds the 12K Japanese force at Salamaua.

On the 14th, an Allied deliberate attack succeeds in bringing down Salamaua’s forts to 2. More importantly, it was noted that ‘(-) supply’ for the Japanese was present on the combat report. Seeing the opportunity, the attacks are repeated on the 15th and 16th. On the 15th, the forts are reduced to 1, and on the 16th, the base finally falls to the Allies. As noted above, the Japanese are surrounded, so their remaining forces stay in the hex and fight on. Allied forces will keep the pressure on until the enemy is destroyed, or is forced to surrender…and judging from the tenacity of the defenders, I am banking on the former.

The Japanese garrisons at Nadzab, Manus, and Kavieng continue to hold out. Allied forces are grinding them down slowly but surely. Small reinforcements are headed to all three locations to help speed things up, but any major effort will have to wait until the Rabaul operation calms down.

KB is still anchored at Hollandia. Reports continue to indicate approximately 8 CV’s with 100F/170B. The latest reports also show 2-3 BB’s present along with DD’s. This force is located only 14 hexes from Rabaul, so execution of the upcoming invasion will have to be done smartly.

Operation Tiger Balm is progressing as well as can be expected. The Rabaul blockade is in full effect, with multiple Japanese re-supply efforts having been thwarted by DD’s, SBD’s, and TBD’s on the prowl in the Bismarck Sea. Additionally, 200+ allied bombers visit Rabaul daily, bringing with them a healthy serving of death and destruction from above. While the airfield is still 100% damaged, other effects (supply reduction/disruption) from the bombings are unknown at this time. Even so, the conditions are right, and the Allied supreme commander has given the amphibious assault phase of Tiger Balm a ‘GO’. All across the South West Pacific, the plan swings into motion.



DEI/Philippines:
In the Philippines, all my base are belong to Japan.

In the DEI, Japan continues their intermittent Brunei bombings, but no sign of invasion. Nothing else of note in the region.




SE Asia/China:
Continuing to grind the enemy at Akyab. Reinforcements are taking a little longer than anticipated, so the scheduled attack will have to wait till they arrive early next week.

In central Burma, Mandalay airfield has been repaired by the Japanese and they waste no time transferring in 100F/120B and launching attacks on Allied bases (Lashio, Katha) in the area. This move prompts me to distribute fighters in the area to bases that were previously safe from Japanese air raids. The British Chindit force continues towards Taung Gyi. Reports indicate 1 enemy unit in the town… composition unknown.

In China, Chengchow holds amid more IJA deliberate attacks. Japanese bombardments continue at Wuchow and Nanning.




IJN Watch:

-8 CVs (100F/170B) and 3 BB + escorts spotted at Hollandia all week.




Notable Base Captures:
-Wau [New Guinea] is captured by the Allies (3/11)
-Salamaua [New Guinea] is captured by the Allies (3/16)




Campaign Overview:

Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 3,826 [+90]
Biggest Losses (#):SBD-3 Dauntless (332), F4F-4 Wildcat ( 277), Hurricane IIc (266)

Japanese: 10,251 [+259]
Biggest Losses (#): G4M1 Betty (2,639), Ki-48 Lily (1,455), Ki-27b Nate (1,113)


Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 459 [+1]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CVE Copahee, CVE Nassau, CA Astoria, CA Portland, CA Adelaide, CL Durban, CL Sumatra, CL Java

Japanese: 883 [+10]
Notables: CV Soryu, CVL Shoho, CVL Zuiho, CVE Taiyo, CVE Hosho, BB Kongo, BB Fuso, BB Mutsu, CA Mogami, CA Mikuma, CA Suzya, CA Adoba.


Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,101 [+31]
Japanese: 5,035 [+53]
A/J Ratio: 1.81 to 1


VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 33,951 [+553]
Japanese: 26,058 [+116]
A/J Ratio: 1.30 to 1




Operation Tropic Thunder:
Phase 1A - LAZARUS: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Finschfen – COMPLETE
-Capture Umboi Island – COMPLETE
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hansa Bay - UNDERWAY [Armed Force advancing from Lae has reached Nadzab and is doing the bombard/deliberate iteration. Current Allied AV advantage is 128:48]

Phase 1B – FOUR LEAF: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Namatanai – COMPLETE
-Capture Kavieng – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 209:134, Japanese forts still at 4]
-Capture Massau Island – COMPLETE
-Capture Manus – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 136:72, Japanese forts at 1]

Phase 2 – TIGER BALM: March 1943 – April 1943
-Capture/Neutralize Rabaul – UNDERWAY [PAW-1 is en route, 3-4 days from landing beaches]
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hollandia




Other Notes:
-By the end of the week, the ground phase of Operation Tiger Balm is in full swing. All elements of Physical Assault Wave 1 (PAW-1) have left Noumea and are nearing Rennel Island. They should be hitting the beaches within 3-4 days assuming they are free of IJN interference (early warning pickets are in place, just in case). Rabaul has a hefty garrison of 88K troops, and is probably bristling with costal defense guns. However, the airfield is shut down, and BB bombardment and a full week and a half of aerial bombing has no doubt sapped some of the fighting strength from the enemy. The time has come to execute the first large scale landing in enemy territory. The eyes of the world are upon us…
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The eyes of the world are upon us…


Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force!

You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have
striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The
hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you.
In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on
other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German (OOPS Japanese) war
machine, the elimination of Nazi (OOPs Japanese) tyranny over the oppressed peoples of
Europe (OOps - New Georgia) , and security for ourselves in a free world.

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well
equipped and battle hardened. He will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944 (OOps) ! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of
1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats,
in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their
strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home
Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions
of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men.
The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to
Victory!

I have full confidence in your courage and devotion to duty and skill in
battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory!

Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great
and noble undertaking.

[8D]

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In your circumstance I have to believe that the IJN TF full of Carriers and BB at Hollandia will react to you landings at Rabul.

I am unsure of your level of difficulty, and those carriers status as perhaps you are as well. Perhaps some are damaged in repair mode from previous encounters ?

The AI will undoubtedly pull a "raid script" when it sees dozens of xAP, xALs etc unloading.

Either way as you are ready to pull the trigger I am sure you have:

1) set up your own carrier support ? Let us know which assets ?

2) Scrounged and converted as much LBAir into "Naval attack" ??



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Those carriers have sat there for so long I wonder if they are out of fuel ...
Unsure how good/poor the AI is at getting tankers to ships that need fuel.
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Those carriers have sat there for so long I wonder if they are out of fuel ...
Unsure how good/poor the AI is at getting tankers to ships that need fuel.

Excellent points from an 'experienced hand"

I too wondered. I had not considered fuel.

I more specifically wondered if they were damaged from a previous battle.

It has been my (limited) experience in a similar situation the Carriers were damaged and the air groups attacked / raided me at Weewak etc over a number of weeks. This IJN air groups are very experienced and P40's, and Boomerangs are generally insufficient opposition. It took Spits to eventually hold the line and provide CAP.

My invasion fleet at Rabul however pulled them out 'damaged state and all' and I was able to deliver a coup-de-grace...


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Thank you Macclan5 for that rousing speech, I will be sure it gets to my pixelated soldiers heading towards the beaches of Rabaul. [:D]

As for difficulty, I have followed Pax's advice, I set the game on hard, and about 7 days out of every month, I up it to very hard. Additionally, Once a month I open up a week-old turn as the Japanese (also Pax's advice) and do a quick status check of the Japanese supply situation, looking for exclamation point checks to see if the AI has been supplying its troops effectively, and also checking supply/fuel levels at the home islands. The last time I checked was a mid-February turn and all bases looked well supplied, and fuel/supply levels in the HI were 2.5 Mil/7.5 Mil respectively. This check is as superficial as I can make it, because I don't want to glean too much info on the Japanese force dispositions.

I agree with your assessment, the KB must react...and part of me hope it does. Waiting for it are all 6 of my available fleet carriers (Wasp, Hornet, Yorktown, Saratoga, Lexington, and Victorious) with two CVE's providing CAP over the amphib fleet at Rabaul. If my numbers are correct, the Japanese should have a maximum of 7 Fleet Carriers still afloat, so even if they are all at Hollandia, I think that's a pretty even fight...the Japanese edge in experience should be nullified by my overwhelming LBA presence in the area. Speaking of LBA, I have SBDs and TBDs at Massau, Finschafen, and Lae searching for naval targets....all with dedicated escort squadrons in case they run into something with CAP overhead. Allied land based CAP is concentrated at Namantanai to provide maximum protection to the amphibious landings as well as the Carriers. I have yet to change my Level bombers missions (they are all currently targeting Rabaul's defenders and keeping the airfield out of action) since I have yet to have any luck hitting sea-born targets with them.
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Those carriers have sat there for so long I wonder if they are out of fuel ...
Unsure how good/poor the AI is at getting tankers to ships that need fuel.

That is a good question BBF, Hollandia looks well supplied, but I don't think a fuel shortage would prompt any kind of exclamation point to appear, so I can't be sure if they have fuel. I hesitate to open the base info screen as Japan, since I want to keep up the FOW. Plus, I have a feeling I'll get my answer once my troops begin unloading at Rabaul. [:D]
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You are in 1943 so you should have at least F4F-4s and perhaps Hellcats on your CVs. For sure your Devastators should be replaced by TBF/TBM Avengers by now. You should be able to handle KB and can help that by:

- bringing in any LBA that might be able to LRCAP your CVs/Transports or attack KB
- having several SCTFs that will draw KB strikes. TFs of 3-4 DDs are good because they are hard to hit but dangerous enough to make KB attack.
- having any empty Amphib ships you can afford to lose move out to sea between your CVs and KB.
- don't sit in one place and let the AI organize an eight-hex strike. Move toward the threat.
- keep more fighters on your CAP than on escort. Japanese interception is not as good as the Allies (poor radar) so your planes have a better chance of getting through. Plus you need fewer hits to disable or sink an IJN CV.
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Thank you Macclan5 for that rousing speech, I will be sure it gets to my pixelated soldiers heading towards the beaches of Rabaul. [:D]

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. I have yet to change my Level bombers missions (they are all currently targeting Rabaul's defenders and keeping the airfield out of action) since I have yet to have any luck hitting sea-born targets with them.

1) I invented that speech myself - I thought it was pretty good ... ya ya that's the ticket.. [8D]


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2) I think we would both need to ask the vets of the forum on the effectiveness of the LBA. Perhaps BB knows?

..."I think" LBA airstrike from the 2 and 4 engine types cause a type of "naval disruption" (for lack of a better term) in addition to CAP disruption (potentially) where the under the hood design of game adds a minus against successful air check.



~ I agree that I too have experienced limited or no success using LBA level and medium bombers. Success defined by the pure statistic: success = hit for damage. This is consistent with real Naval results historically.

~ Pre-suppose it depends where the LBA is.I am inferring its sitting in Lae or Weewak for example. If the LBA goes in early (i.e. from a nearby base and/or on a prior turn from spotting) it should in fact reduce the CAP making an alpha strike from your Carrier flotilla all the more effective.

~ Based on my results in game.. 3 major carrier to carrier battles...and at least 3 "sandbox to test out" I get the feeling that Japan could not launch as big or as successful alpha strikes on their own if the LBA "disrupted them first". This last piece is pure inference on my part and maybe has nothing to do with it. Perhaps it was damage, morale, leadership, or some other thing.. Its just my gut feeling and 'limited inexperienced play testing' that makes me think there is value in early bomber runs against Naval Targets i.e. early compared to an alpha strike.
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The value of the LBA attacks in the AM before the carrier attack in the PM is wearing out the CAP, and perhaps using up a lot of their AAA ammo. Guns tend to fire less when they get down to about 30% ammo (my impression). I know this is a fact in surface battles where the ships with low ammo withhold fire until the enemy is really close, so if modelled similarly for air combat that would mean they do not use long range AAA to disrupt strikes before the attack is really close, and that should result in more hits by the attacker.

The "minus" for naval air attack is a moving target. Ships that are slowed down are much more likely to be attacked and to be hit.
Most of the successful naval strikes seem to be at low level - in RL witness, Bismarck, Vittorio Veneto and Pola, the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, the strikes on Yamato and Musashi. AFAIK the B-17s dropping bombs from above 10,000 feet only ever achieved a couple of hits on moving ships all war. For this reason I would never agree to the usual house rule about no 4E naval bombing below 10,000 feet - 5,000 would be reasonable to me and the flak losses would be the offsetting consideration for the attacker.
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You are in 1943 so you should have at least F4F-4s and perhaps Hellcats on your CVs. For sure your Devastators should be replaced by TBF/TBM Avengers by now. You should be able to handle KB and can help that by:

- bringing in any LBA that might be able to LRCAP your CVs/Transports or attack KB
- having several SCTFs that will draw KB strikes. TFs of 3-4 DDs are good because they are hard to hit but dangerous enough to make KB attack.
- having any empty Amphib ships you can afford to lose move out to sea between your CVs and KB.
- don't sit in one place and let the AI organize an eight-hex strike. Move toward the threat.
- keep more fighters on your CAP than on escort. Japanese interception is not as good as the Allies (poor radar) so your planes have a better chance of getting through. Plus you need fewer hits to disable or sink an IJN CV.
Appreciate the tips on this BBF, expecially the one about Japanese interception, that will really come in handy when setting CAP/Escort ratios.

As for airframes, I have Avengers on my carriers now, but my fighter compliment is still composed of F4F-4's. I should be okay, but I'll feel much better when Hellcats appear next month. Hellcats aren't a huge improvement, but the factories will be spitting out 130/month (versus 45 Wildcats/month). The increased production rate will make it easier to keep squadrons filled out.



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..."I think" LBA airstrike from the 2 and 4 engine types cause a type of "naval disruption" (for lack of a better term) in addition to CAP disruption (potentially) where the under the hood design of game adds a minus against successful air check.



~ I agree that I too have experienced limited or no success using LBA level and medium bombers. Success defined by the pure statistic: success = hit for damage. This is consistent with real Naval results historically.

~ Pre-suppose it depends where the LBA is.I am inferring its sitting in Lae or Weewak for example. If the LBA goes in early (i.e. from a nearby base and/or on a prior turn from spotting) it should in fact reduce the CAP making an alpha strike from your Carrier flotilla all the more effective.

~ Based on my results in game.. 3 major carrier to carrier battles...and at least 3 "sandbox to test out" I get the feeling that Japan could not launch as big or as successful alpha strikes on their own if the LBA "disrupted them first". This last piece is pure inference on my part and maybe has nothing to do with it. Perhaps it was damage, morale, leadership, or some other thing.. Its just my gut feeling and 'limited inexperienced play testing' that makes me think there is value in early bomber runs against Naval Targets i.e. early compared to an alpha strike.
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The value of the LBA attacks in the AM before the carrier attack in the PM is wearing out the CAP, and perhaps using up a lot of their AAA ammo. Guns tend to fire less when they get down to about 30% ammo (my impression). I know this is a fact in surface battles where the ships with low ammo withhold fire until the enemy is really close, so if modelled similarly for air combat that would mean they do not use long range AAA to disrupt strikes before the attack is really close, and that should result in more hits by the attacker.

The "minus" for naval air attack is a moving target. Ships that are slowed down are much more likely to be attacked and to be hit.
Most of the successful naval strikes seem to be at low level - in RL witness, Bismarck, Vittorio Veneto and Pola, the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, the strikes on Yamato and Musashi. AFAIK the B-17s dropping bombs from above 10,000 feet only ever achieved a couple of hits on moving ships all war. For this reason I would never agree to the usual house rule about no 4E naval bombing below 10,000 feet - 5,000 would be reasonable to me and the flak losses would be the offsetting consideration for the attacker.

Thanks for your thoughts on this guys. I was judging the successful-ness LBA bomber attack by the number of hits they scored on enemy shipping. From your comments, it looks like they can be successful in other ways.
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Week 67: March 17th – March 23rd 1943

North Pacific:

Base building continues at Amchitka, Umnak and Attu.




Central Pacific:
Theater is quiet.




Southern Pacific:
An IJN sub sinks an empty AK off Wallis Island, out of the reach ASW efforts around the Samoas. DD’s investigate but find nothing. I’ll have to be better about assigning waypoints to ensure transport TF’s don’t stray too far from Pago-Pago…where air and sea ASW patrols make the waters much safer.




New Guinea/Solomons:
AV of Japanese resistance outside Salamaua has been reduced from 52 to 13, but they continue to fight on. I am rotating out formations between attack and rest so there isn’t a break in the deliberate attacks.

The Japanese garrisons at Nadzab, Manus, and Kavieng continue to hold out. Allied forces are grinding them down slowly but surely. Small reinforcements are headed to all three locations to help speed things up, but any major effort will have to wait until the Rabaul operation calms down.

KB is still anchored at Hollandia. Reports consistently indicate approximately 8 CV’s with 100F/170B. However, at the end of the week the estimate drops to 5 CVs and (60F/100B)…PBY searches don’t indicate anything, but forces may be on the move.

Landfall on Operation Tiger Balm occurs on the 19th with minimal disruption. Japanese costal fire is lighter than expected. Between that and imbedded BBs drawing most of the attention, only a few transports are hit. There were the expected losses, but all formations of PAW-1 made it ashore intact survived the first few nights. LCI’s and APA’s performed admirably in their combat debut and the amphibs TF’s are already heading back to Tulagi, where PAW-3 is waiting to embark (PAW-2 already in route from Noumea).

While the IJN didn’t interfere with the Rabaul landings, they couldn’t help but spoil the party elsewhere. A surface TF made up of BB Kirishima CA Tone and 3 DD escorts attack a reinforcement convoy unloading at Namantanai, sinking 2 APs and 3 AKs. Luckily the troops had already unloaded, but the attack was quite a surprise, as it originated from the Southwest (Nauru Island) instead of the normal Northwest vector (Truk). Search arcs have been adjusted accordingly. Not to be outdone, another Japanese force runs the straights near Cape Gloucester and lands some kind of base force at Gasmata. The next morning about 20 fighter and 20 bombers begin operating out of the base…with the bombers focusing on the landing craft at Rabaul. My CAP wards them off, but this puts a lot of shipping in the Solomon Sea at risk. Tomorrow I have a few sweeps on tap along with a visit from some Mitchells to disrupt the enemy air ops at Gasmata.




DEI/Philippines:
In the Philippines, all my base are belong to Japan.

In the DEI, Japan continues their intermittent Brunei bombings, but no sign of invasion. Nothing else of note in the region.




SE Asia/China:
Continuing to grind the enemy at Akyab. Deliberate attack gets a 2:1 but I still lose about 3 times the casualties. Luckily most of my losses are disablements. The Japanese casualties are also mostly disabled squads, but with the supply situation, they have a harder time getting back into fighting shape.

In central Burma, Mandalay airfield is still active and launching attacks on Allied bases at Lashio and Katha. Allied CAP does a good job and damage is minimal. The British Chindit force continues towards Taung Gyi. Reports still indicate 1 enemy unit in the town. If I can overwhelm them before reinforcements arrive, that would be best.

In China, Chengchow holds amid more IJA deliberate attacks. Japanese bombardments continue at Wuchow and Nanning.




IJN Watch:

-7 CVs (70F/150B) and 3 BB + escorts spotted at Hollandia all week.




Notable Base Captures:
-Nadzab [New Guinea] is captured by the Allies (3/19)




Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 3,960 [+78]
Biggest Losses (#):SBD-3 Dauntless (333), F4F-4 Wildcat ( 279), Hurricane IIc (274)

Japanese: 10,622 [+371]
Biggest Losses (#): G4M1 Betty (2,135), Ki-48 Lily (1,79), A6M2 Zero (1,036)


Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 471 [+12]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CVE Copahee, CVE Nassau, CA Astoria, CA Portland, CA Adelaide, CL Durban, CL Sumatra, CL Java

Japanese: 893 [+10]
Notables: CV Soryu, CVL Shoho, CVL Zuiho, CVE Taiyo, CVE Hosho, BB Kongo, BB Fuso, BB Mutsu, CA Mogami, CA Mikuma, CA Suzya, CA Adoba.


Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,193 [+82]
Japanese: 5,111 [+76]
A/J Ratio: 1.80 to 1


VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 34,629 [+678]
Japanese: 26,367 [+309]
A/J Ratio: 1.31 to 1




Operation Tropic Thunder
Phase 1A - LAZARUS: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Finschfen – COMPLETE
-Capture Umboi Island – COMPLETE
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hansa Bay - UNDERWAY [Armed Force advancing from Lae have captured Nadzab and are now heading towards Saidor]

Phase 1B – FOUR LEAF: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Namatanai – COMPLETE
-Capture Kavieng – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 238:140, Japanese forts still at 4]
-Capture Massau Island – COMPLETE
-Capture Manus – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 123:68, Japanese forts at 1. Allied reinforcement in route]

Phase 2 – TIGER BALM: March 1943 – April 1943
-Capture/Neutralize Rabaul – UNDERWAY [PAW-1 is is safely ashore, PAW-2 and 3 are in route]
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hollandia




Other Notes:
-The Allies have secured a beachhead at Rabaul, and reinforcements should arrive mid next week. While the Japanese shore batteries took a toll, nothing serious was lost, and by the end of the week, the enemy positions are silent. My bombardments were good but I’m pretty sure I didn’t knock out all enemy positions, so they must be low on supply. We’ll know for sure in the next week or so.
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Week 68: March 24th – March 30th 1943

North Pacific:

Base building continues at Amchitka, Umnak and Attu. SigInt reports a few Japanese infantry and engineer units prepping for Attu. I have a stout garrison there, so I won’t reinforce yet.




Central Pacific:
Theater is quiet.




Southern Pacific:
Theater is again quiet. All Transport TF’s have been re-routed to pass by Pago-Pago, and I now have 2 ASW TFs operating in the area.




New Guinea/Solomons:
After almost two weeks of deliberate attacks at Salamaua, I decide to launch a shock and see what happens. Results are better than expected, the enemy forces are wiped out. On a side note, I think I have found a use for shock attacks…attacking surrounded forces that are out of supply (so they can’t shoot back effectively).

On the northern coast of New Guinea, my forces are heading towards Saidor, in pursuit of retreating enemy forces recently evicted from Nadzab. A smaller detachment is heading due north towards Madang to cut off their retreat. Elsewhere, the Japanese garrisons at Manus and Kavieng continue to hold out. Allied forces are grinding them down slowly but surely. Reinforcements should make landfall next week, preceded by a few BBs itching to say hello to the enemy. Hopefully the combination will speed up the effort to capture these two Japanese outposts.

KB is still anchored at Hollandia. Reports consistently indicate approximately 7-8 CV’s with 100F/180B.

Rabaul is turning out to be quite a warzone. In the past week, the Japanese have attempted multiple raids with both sea and air power…with mixed results. My forces have suffered some disruption, but the Japanese lost over 75 Bettys/Sallys and the BB Kirishima took a few bomb hits. At the same time, PAW-2 and PAW-3 have landed and re-inforced the Allied beachhead…but not before the Japanese coastal guns sunk 3 AK’s. My 4EB are still pounding Rabaul and new squadrons arriving from the West Coast are allowing me to give the active squadrons a much needed rest.

Despite my efforts, Gasmata is still a functioning Japanese base. There are over 75 enemy fighters and about 100 bombers, but they seem to be focused on impaling themselves by attacking my Rabaul amphibs fleet (it has massive CAP)…so I’m okay with the status quo.




DEI/Philippines:
In the Philippines, all my base are belong to Japan.

In the DEI, Japan continues their intermittent Brunei bombings, but no sign of invasion. Nothing else of note in the region.




SE Asia/China:
Continuing to grind the enemy at Akyab. Another deliberate attack gets a 2:1 but this time I only lose double the casualties…getting better. Early next week, an Indian Division should be arriving, we’ll see if the added firepower helps.

In central Burma, Mandalay airfield is still active and launching attacks on Allied bases at Lashio and Katha. Allied CAP does a good job and damage is minimal. The British Chindit force reaches Taung Gyi and is set to deliberate attack tomorrow. Reports still indicate 1 enemy unit in the town, so it should be a quick fight.

In China, I launch a deliberate attack at Wuchow and force the Japanese to retreat…though *like sand people) I’m sure they’ll be back…and in greater numbers. Chengchow holds amid more IJA deliberate attacks. Japanese bombardments continue at Nanning.




IJN Watch:

-7 CVs (100F/180B) and 3 BB + escorts spotted at Hollandia all week.




Notable Base Captures:
-None




Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 4,016 [+56]
Biggest Losses (#):SBD-3 Dauntless (338), F4F-4 Wildcat ( 279), Hurricane IIc (280)

Japanese: 10,842 [+220]
Biggest Losses (#): G4M1 Betty (2,064), Ki-48 Lily (1,234), Ki-27b Nate (1,271)


Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 474 [+3]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CVE Copahee, CVE Nassau, CA Astoria, CA Portland, CA Adelaide, CL Durban, CL Sumatra, CL Java

Japanese: 923 [+30]
Notables: CV Soryu, CVL Shoho, CVL Zuiho, CVE Taiyo, CVE Hosho, BB Kongo, BB Fuso, BB Mutsu, CA Mogami, CA Mikuma, CA Suzya, CA Adoba.


Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,294 [+101]
Japanese: 5,191 [+80]
A/J Ratio: 1.79 to 1


VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 35,242 [+613]
Japanese: 26,693 [+326]
A/J Ratio: 1.32 to 1




Operation Tropic Thunder

Phase 1A - LAZARUS: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Finschfen – COMPLETE
-Capture Umboi Island – COMPLETE
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hansa Bay - UNDERWAY [Armed Force advancing from Lae have captured Nadzab and are now heading towards Saidor]

Phase 1B – FOUR LEAF: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Namatanai – COMPLETE
-Capture Kavieng – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 230:126, Japanese forts still at 4]
-Capture Massau Island – COMPLETE
-Capture Manus – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 128:69, Japanese forts at 1. Allied reinforcement in route]

Phase 2 – TIGER BALM: March 1943 – April 1943
-Capture/Neutralize Rabaul – UNDERWAY [PAW-2 and 3 are ashore, PAW-4 prepping at Noumea]
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hollandia




Other Notes:
-Lots of Japanese shipping lost in the Rabaul vicinity. Even if the base takes a while to capture, it is worth it if I can attrit the Japanese navy in the process.
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Looks like you have bigger grinders than the Japanese. Pretty soon he should start running out of cannon fodder.
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Looks like you have bigger grinders than the Japanese. Pretty soon he should start running out of cannon fodder.

Exactly, that is the plan anyway. The only thing preventing total Allied dominance in the Rabaul region is the presence of the KB. (they are still chillin' at Hollandia). Their proximity means all amphib TFs need to be escorted by Allied Carriers....its definitely slowing down my pace a bit since I can't perform simultaneous amphib operations...I don't have enough carriers to go around just yet.
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Situation Report – April 1st 1943
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Central/North Pacific:


Capital Ships: 3-BB (@Pearl Harbor)

Fuel Reserves: 1,590K @ Pearl Harbor

Near-Term Plans: Continue developing bases in Aleutians.

Long Term Plans: Operation to secure critical bases in Marshalls/Gilberts. 27th, 43rd, and 7th Inf. Divisions are prepping for Tarawa, Kwajalein, and Roi Namur respectively.








New Guinea/Solomons:
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Capital Ships: 5-CV, 4-CVE, 1-CVL, 10-BB

Fuel Reserves: 903K @ Noumea
166K @ Milne Bay
5K @ Sydney

Near-Term Plans: Capture Kavieng and Manus, move up New Guinea coast towards Hollandia. Capture Rabaul.

Long Term Plans: Advance up the New Guinea Coast towards Philippines. Isolate Truk and develop bases to be used as launch points for Marianas Invasion.







SE Asia/China:
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Capital Ships: 4-BB (@Colombo)

Fuel Reserves: 1,355K @ Colombo

Near-Term Plans: Destroy Japanese in Akyab pocket. Chindit Raid in Central Burma to isolate/capture Mandalay.

Long Term Plans: Continue advance down coast and central Burma to threaten Rangoon.







Base Status:

Akyab:
Port Size: 4.00 (MAX)
Airfield Size: 7.99 (+0.43)
Supplies: 48K (4 Weeks of normal operations)

Amchitka:
Port Size: 4.00 (MAX)
Airfield Size: 6.51 (+0.31)
Supplies: 4K (9 Weeks of normal operations)

Attu:
Port Size: 2.69 (+0.24)
Airfield Size: 2.91 (+0.23)
Supplies: 5K (50 Weeks of normal operations)

Buka:
Port Size: 1.35 (+0.30)
Airfield Size: 3.34 (+0.37)
Supplies: 30K (19 Weeks of normal operations)

Buna:
Port Size: 3.61 (+0.49)
Airfield Size: 8.37 (+0.25)
Supplies: 17K (3 Weeks of normal operations)

Finschafen:
Port Size: 5.00 (+0.49)
Airfield Size: 6.00 (+0.71)
Supplies: 24K (12 Weeks of normal operations)

Lae:
Port Size: 2.00
Airfield Size: 4.50
Supplies: 3.5K (3 Weeks of normal operations)

Lunga:
Port Size: 4.00 (MAX)
Airfield Size: 7.82 (+0.17)
Supplies: 25K (4 Weeks of normal operations)

Milne Bay:
Port Size: 5.00 (+0.16)
Airfield Size: 6.27 (+0.12)
Supplies: 150K (30 Weeks of normal operations)

Mussau:

Port Size: 2.74 (+0.61)
Airfield Size: 4.98 (+1.75)
Supplies: 17K (7 Weeks of normal operations)

Myitkyina:
Port Size: N/A
Airfield Size: 4.13 (+0.58)
Supplies: 2.5K (4 Weeks of normal operations)

Pago-Pago:
Port Size: 3.42 (+0.13)
Airfield Size: 6.02 (+0.08)
Supplies: 5K (4 Weeks of normal operations)

Tabiteuea:
Port Size: 4.00 (MAX)
Airfield Size: 6.00 (+0.37)
Supplies: 37K (16 Weeks of normal operations)

Tulagi:
Port Size: 6.00 (MAX)
Airfield Size: 5.00 (+0.74)
Supplies: 144K (70+ Weeks of normal operations)

Umboi Island:
Port Size: 4.00 (MAX)
Airfield Size: 6.54 (+0.47)
Supplies: 15K (3 Weeks of normal operations)

Umnak:
Port Size: 3.00 (+0.55)
Airfield Size: 6.12 (+1.10)
Supplies: 7K (30 Weeks of normal operations)
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Week 69: March 31st – April 6th 1943
North Pacific:

Base building continues at Amchitka, Umnak and Attu, otherwise no action in this theater.




Central Pacific:
SS Triton hit CA Tone with 2 Torpedoes near Truk…and both actually explode, not sure what part of that I am more excited about. No sinking sounds, but that will definitely put her up in the yards for awhile.

4 DD Task Force bombards Wake to test defenses, they target a Coastal Gun Unit and an infantry regiment…nothing out of the ordinary.




Southern Pacific:
Theater is again quiet.




New Guinea/Solomons:
Continuing to close the noose tighter around Rabaul, this week Manus finally succumbs to Allied attacks. PBY’s are shuttled in and the American engineers there immediately begin base expansion. The first order of business is to get the AF to Level 1, to allow for CAP. After that, efforts will be divided amongst Port and AF work.
The Japanese garrison at Kavieng is still holding out, mainly because they are hiding behind Level 4 forts. This should change soon, as about 100 AV of Allied reinforcements make landfall at the end of the week. I’ll give the new arrivals a day or so to rest up, and then we attack.

On the northern coast of New Guinea, Allied forces have reached Saidor, and have knocked the forts there down from 3 to 1. The infantry is exhausted after repeated attacks, so I will give them a short break and ready for one final push. The Allied flanking force has already reached the hex NW of Saidor, so the enemy force will be encircled once it is pushed out of the base.

KB is still anchored at Hollandia. Reports consistently indicate approximately 7-8 CV’s with 100F/180B. A small DD TF strayed (reacted) within 8 hexes of Hollandia and got pounded by Kates, so this will be an interesting problem…one that the next op will strive to address. For now I will attempt to stay away from the KB so as to not prod them into action…don’t want to shake the hornet’s nest just yet.

Rabaul is continuing to be the Guadalcanal of this struggle. Both sides are funneling men and resources into the base. The Japanese are frantically trying to re-supply their stronghold, while the Allies are shepherding troops from all around the SW Pacific to grind down the defenders. Also, the intense air battles in the skies above Rabaul rival those I experienced at Akyab late in 1942. The key differences are the Allied airframes (numbers and quality) and pilots. In both areas, the Allies have made vast improvements, and it is taking a toll on the Japanese.




DEI/Philippines:
In the Philippines, all my base are belong to Japan.

In the DEI, Japan continues their intermittent Brunei bombings, but no sign of invasion. Nothing else of note in the region.




SE Asia/China:
Continuing to grind the enemy at Akyab. Deliberate attacks during the week get better odds, increasing up to 6:1 by the end of the week. Losses are about equal on both sides, but that is to my advantage. The big change this week, is the utter dominance of the RAF over the Akyab region. This has all but stopped Japanese air raids on Akyab (and those that do occur don’t fare too well) and has given me a better freedom of movement in the area. One example of this is on the coast, where 4 British BB’s have been bombarding Akyab every two days, resupplying from Chittagong. Without the fear of Japanese attack, the BBs have been free to shuttle back and forth all week under a modest LRCAP with no incidents. Additionally, a amphibs TF has assembled at Chittagong and is set to move the 9th Australian Div (100% prepped) to Ramree Island, with orders to secure the base and begin expansion to support a drive towards Rangoon. Not sure how far I’ll get before the Monsoon season, but we’ll make as much headway as possible.

In central Burma, the British Chindit force captures Taung Gyi and Mektila. The final objective, Magwe should be under attack early next week.

In China, Chengchow holds amid more IJA deliberate attacks. Japanese bombardments continue at Nanning.




IJN Watch:

-7 CVs (100F/180B) and 2 BB + escorts spotted at Hollandia all week.




Notable Base Captures:
-Taung Gyi [Burma] Captured by Allies (3/31)
-Manus [New Britain] Captured By Allies (4/4)
-Mektila [Burma] Captured by Allies (4/6)




Campaign Overview:
Aircraft Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 4,067 [+51]
Biggest Losses (#):SBD-3 Dauntless (339), F4F-4 Wildcat ( 279), Hurricane IIc (282)

Japanese: 11,061 [+219]
Biggest Losses (#): G4M1 Betty (2,350), Ki-48 Lily (1,604), Ki-27b Nate (1,020)


Ship Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 482 [+8]
Notables: CV Enterprise, CVE Copahee, CVE Nassau, CA Astoria, CA Portland, CA Adelaide, CL Durban, CL Sumatra, CL Java

Japanese: 960 [+37]
Notables: CV Soryu, CVL Shoho, CVL Zuiho, CVE Taiyo, CVE Hosho, BB Kongo, BB Fuso, BB Mutsu, CA Mogami, CA Mikuma, CA Suzya, CA Adoba.


Army Losses to date [change]:
Allies: 9,367 [+71]
Japanese: 5,330 [+139]
A/J Ratio: 1.76 to 1


VP Totals [change]:
Allies: 35,853 [+611]
Japanese: 26,887 [+194]
A/J Ratio: 1.33 to 1




Operation Tropic Thunder
Phase 1A - LAZARUS: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Finschfen – COMPLETE
-Capture Umboi Island – COMPLETE
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hansa Bay - UNDERWAY [Armed Force advancing from Lae have reached Saidor and are attacking]

Phase 1B – FOUR LEAF: Nov.1942 – March 1943
-Capture Namatanai – COMPLETE
-Capture Kavieng – UNDERWAY [Allied AV advantage is 293:98, Japanese forts still at 4]
-Capture Massau Island – COMPLETE
-Capture Manus – COMPLETE

Phase 2 – TIGER BALM: March 1943 – April 1943
-Capture/Neutralize Rabaul – UNDERWAY [PAW-4 prepping at Noumea, Japanese AV advantage is 1,237:1,219 Forts are at 8]
-Advance up Northern NG coast to Hollandia




Other Notes:
-First Deliberate attack at Rabaul gets 1:5 odds and reveals Level 8 Forts, but modified Japanese AV is below 100, so casualties were low. Mixed news here, as this means PAW-4 (2 US Divisions) will be needed to secure the base.
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KB is still anchored at Hollandia. Reports consistently indicate approximately 7-8 CV’s with 100F/180B. A small DD TF strayed (reacted) within 8 hexes of Hollandia and got pounded by Kates, so this will be an interesting problem…one that the next op will strive to address. For now I will attempt to stay away from the KB so as to not prod them into action…don’t want to shake the hornet’s nest just yet.


Congrats on the grind. [8D]

In terms of learning curve - I think the "Allied grind" is the steepest curve for the Allied rookie players.

These threads are valuable for newer players to read.

In the early game Japan takes out your bases almost effortlessly; or you enforce a defensive grind on Japan say at Singapore, or Manila.

When the rookie SACPAC gains the initiative there is a tendency / desire to see things move quickly.

It doesn't happen that way in game and a lack of patience can lead to mistakes - as per your very wise note above about stirring a hornets nest in Hollandia.


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Equally surprising to me is that the KB did not sortie against you at Manus / Rabul ~ apparently not even once.

I am going to surmise that the actual ships in the KB (5? 7?) are:

1) Some mis-identification ~ I am willing to bet a few (2? 3?) are actually TK or xAKL

2) So damaged from previous engagements they can''t sortie ! Great news.

Now the Air wings are deadly still... but could you park a couple of good experienced submarines on a 1 Hex patrol zone in Hollandia to see if you can get a lucky pot shot in ???

Else once you are confident you have Rabul / Manus / Kaeving grinds complete....sweep sweep sweep bomb bomb bomb and then send in Marc Mischner with every flat top you got.
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