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Using some common sense, I imagine this missile would be useful against targets that are either relatively slow moving like AEW&C or stealth bombers, and possibly fighter aircraft that are not making very extreme maneuvring, as well as of course carriers.

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Against carriers? I doubt a missile like this would be able to cause any sort of significant damage to a Carrier.
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Thales to upgrade RAN Collins submarines with latest generation sonar systems from UK & France
Thales has signed a design and pre-production contract to upgrade Australia’s Collins class submarine sonar systems, enhancing their capability to outperform the most advanced underwater threats in an increasingly complex environment. As Australia’s leading provider of sonar technologies, Thales will build on its local and international expertise to prepare for upgrades to the submarines’ cylindrical array, flank array, and on-board processing to maintain Royal Australian Navy superiority in the region.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... rance.html
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U.S.S. Zumwalt dead in the water in Panama Canal

Serious engineering casualty with sea water intrusion in both of Zumwalt’s Advanced Induction Motors and minor hit on the canal wall. Taken under tow and they will try to repair it in Panama. Unknown how long that will take.

https://news.usni.org/2016/11/22/uss-zumwalt-sidelined-panama

Repairs are expected to take "up to ten days".
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http://www.defenseone.com/technology/20 ... er/133379/

"The F-35 now packs more punch: specifically, the 20-foot Standard Missile, or SM-6, complete with a 140-pound warhead. But not fired from under the wing — rather from a nearby Aegis destroyer.

In September, the Marines completed a proof-of-concept test in which a Marine Corps F-35B detected a cruise-missile decoy (a drone), passed targeting information to a remote sensor, and set up a shot by an Aegis combat system of the sort you’ll find on modern destroyers. A battery controlled by the Aegis fired a live SM-6 missile, which took down the drone."
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An outsourced shipping freighter from Taiwan has unloaded 9 (formerly reported 12) Singaporean AV-81 Terrex APCs at Hong Kong port without permission from Custom. Still investigating:

http://m.mingpao.com/ins/instantnews/we ... 9963036278 (Traditional Chinese)
http://mothership.sg/2016/11/9-apcs-all ... -hk-media/ (English)

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EDIT: HK Custom has impounded and masked all the APCs at the dock, while investigating the freighter captain and crews. Those APCs are known for training Taiwanese "Starlight" troops during the military drill, and return to Singapore afterward.
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More on the developments we read about this week from China and Russia:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/735 ... miles-away
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Well, 300 miles is kinda overstated, but more than 300km (320km to be exact) was at least mentioned in the research papers.

Most comprehensive reports so far (aside of Henri.K's good writeup):

http://www.popsci.com/china-new-long-ra ... ir-missile
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/61 ... 16-fighter

What is true, though, is that this missile really fits inside the A2AD strategy. And a Chinese counter to the Third Offset, as Dr. Singer and Jeffrey Lin state:
Another researched VLRAAM function is datalinking; the papers called for the VLRAAM to be embedded within a highly integrated combat networks. It is envisioned as just part of a larger wave of networked solutions aggregated through multiple Chinese systems. For example, a J-20 stealth fighter wouldn't mount the missile (the VLRAAM is too large to fit in the J-20's weapons bay), but could use its low observable features to fly relatively close in order to detect enemy assets like AEW&C aircraft (which are vital to gather battlespace data for manned and unmanned assets, but subsonic in speed and less able to evade missiles). Then before breaking off contact, the J-20 would signal a J-16 400 km (249 miles) away (outside the range of most air to air missiles) providing it the data needed to launch the VLRAAM at the target. This would offer China a longer range version of present U.S. tactics that involve using the fifth generation F-22 as a sensor for 4th generation fighters as the "shooters."

In operation, the VLRAAM will provide J-20 stealth fighters with long range "aerial artillery" to even the odds against numerically superior air forces, while giving new life to J-11 and J-16 fighters. It can also give J-15 carrier fighters a long range interception capability to defend Chinese naval forces.

The gains in range and speed of the VLRAAM pose another significant risk to the concepts of the U.S. military's "Third Offset." U.S. operations are highly dependent on assets like aerial tankers, dedicated electronic warfare aircraft, and AEW&C. For example, without aerial tankers, the relatively short range of the F-35s would become even more of a liability in long range operations in the South China Seas and Taiwan Straits. Similarly, without AEW&C aircraft, F-22s would have to use onboard radars more, raising their risk of detection. Even for stealthy tanker platforms like the planned MQ-25 Stingray drone and proposed KC-Z tanker will be vulnerable to VLRAAMs if detected by emerging dedicated anti-stealth systems such as the Divine Eagle drone and Yuanmeng airship.
By pushing the Chinese air defense threat bubble hundreds of miles out further, they also offer to turn the long range tables on the putative U.S. "Arsenal" Plane concept, a Pentagon plan to launch missiles from non-stealthy planes from afar. In sum, VLRAAM is not just a big missile, but a potential big deal for the future of air warfare.

Basically, it can be compared with the F-35+SM-6 combo, just that the "SM-6" here is air-launched.
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Update from #1526

It's clear that China does inspected the freighter at Xiamen before it reach to Hong Kong, and Chinese customs found those APCs. They selectively let this freighter go, and then make it ported to Hong Kong by demand from HK customs, which was informed by Chinese authority in time.

Nobody know who's the true cause from the whole event, but it's surely not pretty for Singapore.

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/poli ... ores-tanks
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law- ... d-military

EDIT: Deleted political comments.
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Some rumors say that China seized those APCs because they wanted to reverse engineer the RWS system.

This notion is kinda idiotic, though. Didnt they see Zhuhai Airshow and all those RWS presented there?
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Some rumors say that China seized those APCs because they wanted to reverse engineer the RWS system.

This notion is kinda idiotic, though. Didnt they see Zhuhai Airshow and all those RWS presented there?

My guess is they were just outing Singapore for supporting Taiwan. Politics.

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Type 055 Cruiser/Heavy Destroyer hull 1 and 2 in the same photo!

The bow of hull 1 is on the right, the mid-ship modules for hull 2 are in the center of the scene.

By 2020, China might have three of those warships in service.

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Norway plans to buy five new P-8 Poseidons

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https://news.usni.org/2016/11/28/norway ... l-aircraft


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ns-431888/

Norway has proposed replacing its aging fleet of Lockheed Martin P-3 Orions and Dassault DA-20 Jet Falcons with five new Boeing P-8 Poseidons, the country's minister of defense announced on 25 November.
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WTF?!

http://www.janes.com/article/65846/iraq ... ence-order
Iraq reportedly finalising HQ-9 air defence order

Mohammed Najib, Ramallah - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
30 November 2016


Iraq is close to finalising a USD2.5 billion order for Chinese military equipment that includes HQ-9 long-range air defence systems, Iraq's Mawazin news agency cited well-informed sources as saying on 28 November.

The HQ-9 is derived from the Russian S-300PMU system. The exports version is designated the FD-2000 and another version is offered called the FT-2000 that has missiles with passive radar seekers.

The deal may also include Type 99 tanks and other Chinese military equipment, Mawazin reported.
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WTF?!

http://www.janes.com/article/65846/iraq ... ence-order
Iraq reportedly finalising HQ-9 air defence order

Mohammed Najib, Ramallah - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
30 November 2016


Iraq is close to finalising a USD2.5 billion order for Chinese military equipment that includes HQ-9 long-range air defence systems, Iraq's Mawazin news agency cited well-informed sources as saying on 28 November.

The HQ-9 is derived from the Russian S-300PMU system. The exports version is designated the FD-2000 and another version is offered called the FT-2000 that has missiles with passive radar seekers.

The deal may also include Type 99 tanks and other Chinese military equipment, Mawazin reported.

Why WTF?

Pretty sure this has been sold to at least one other country already.

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Well, this is surprising for two reasons: Iraq is usually either a heavy user of US hardware, or more recently, Russian hardware. There were some reports about S-300 sales to Iraq as well in the past, so the sudden "finalization" of some FD-2000 deal was unexpected.

Secondly, the Type 99 tank actually isnt for export.



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Confirmed delivery of 3x FC-1/JF-17 for Nigerian AF in 2 years:

http://quwa.org/2016/11/30/nigerian-air ... eliveries/
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Some rumors say that China seized those APCs because they wanted to reverse engineer the RWS system.

This notion is kinda idiotic, though. Didnt they see Zhuhai Airshow and all those RWS presented there?

My guess is they were just outing Singapore for supporting Taiwan. Politics.

Mike

Or China wants the real-time comms technology, with variable bandwidths that is difficult to spoof or intercept. It was claimed by a US-Taiwanese responsible to the media and Chinese news redirect it, but I cannot find the original source:

http://3g.china.com/act/military/111327 ... 62022.html (Simplified Chinese)
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Some rumors say that China seized those APCs because they wanted to reverse engineer the RWS system.

This notion is kinda idiotic, though. Didnt they see Zhuhai Airshow and all those RWS presented there?

My guess is they were just outing Singapore for supporting Taiwan. Politics.

Mike

Or China wants the real-time comms technology, with variable bandwidths that is difficult to spoof or intercept. It was claimed by a US-Taiwanese responsible to the media and Chinese news redirect it, but I cannot find the original source:

http://3g.china.com/act/military/111327 ... 62022.html (Simplified Chinese)

Yeah heard this too but this technology should be well known by China now.

My sense is the technology gap on most things doesn't exist anymore mostly because of globalization and well...cyberwarfare and industrial espionage.

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