Rumble in the Southwest witpqs-A vs Andav-J 2011-11-29 to 2017-02-08

[witpqs]

Air losses, totals.

[witpqs]

The complete combat report, for combat junkies.

[BBfanboy]

Well done! Like you, I did not expect Tsu to fall so quickly. Given your propensity to land in clear terrain hexes, he should have expected that one and garrisoned accordingly.

[witpqs]

To be fair, there are a bunch of (as Walter put it) "nice beaches" to land on, so he couldn't cover them all in force. Plus, the entry points on Hokkaido and Shikoku were both not clear terrain.

Now I want to get the northern invasions moving as fast as possible.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

To be fair, there are a bunch of (as Walter put it) "nice beaches" to land on, so he couldn't cover them all in force. Plus, the entry points on Hokkaido and Shikoku were both not clear terrain.

Now I want to get the northern invasions moving as fast as possible.

Nice beaches ... well then we expect to see cabanas and bit-kini clad winsome lasses soon. Pictures or your BFs are slacking! [8D]

[Drakanel]

Wow, the Tsu invasion took just 2 days to conquer the base. Not expected that. Also, those air losses got to hurt. Now onward to Tokyo [:D]

The question is, how is the empire's faring really? How many planes are available, how many supplies to feed them etc? I really have to wonder, because those losses are really high.

[RangerJoe]

Congratulations! Tsu and Manila with Shanghai collapsing. [&o] Now you can take the units from Manila and invade Korea . . .

Tsu had a negative supply modifier. It reminds me of something about the Japanese soldier at the end of World
War II, they only had about 2 pounds of supplies per man.

What do you get when a 16" (or even a 15" or a 14") shell impacts on a HDML/PTboat? Toothpicks!

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Congratulations! Tsu and Manila with Shanghai collapsing. [&o] Now you can take the units from Manila and invade Korea . . .

Tsu had a negative supply modifier. It reminds me of something about the Japanese soldier at the end of World
War II, they only had about 2 pounds of supplies per man.

What do you get when a 16" (or even a 15" or a 14") shell impacts on a HDML/PTboat? Toothpicks!

[:D]

Almost all of those units from Luzon are needed for garrison duties in the Home Islands. I don't want to tie up divisions, especially ones that are fully equipped.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Drakanel

Wow, the Tsu invasion took just 2 days to conquer the base. Not expected that. Also, those air losses got to hurt. Now onward to Tokyo [:D]

The question is, how is the empire's faring really? How many planes are available, how many supplies to feed them etc? I really have to wonder, because those losses are really high.

2 days, yes, but the first day was only landing. The first ground assault took the base! [X(]

I think the Empire is bereft of supply. Aircraft - I really don't know. It takes supply to fly aircraft so I must presume that the bases flying strikes are the ones with supply caches, and there were a bunch of them last turn. My hope with aircraft is on the once per week draw for aircraft, and that being 12 planes unless the squadron was down to 0 on hand (in which case it can fill out).

[adarbrauner]

Do you know if Andav is keeping an AAR?

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

Do you know if Andav is keeping an AAR?

He started to but didn't have time available to keep it up. I don't recall how many turns he updated it for. I think I remember he called it "A Southwestern Rumble" so you might find it by searching.

[witpqs]

1945 July 01

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:
Allied forces CAPTURE Shanhaiguan !!!

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:


Imperial Naval Bombardments


Allied Naval Bombardments:
Allied Ships Bombarding Nagoya
Allied Ships Bombarding Nagoya


China Outback.
Another day off while a couple of armoured vehicles repair. The cavalry is getting close.

[witpqs]

China east.

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Ground combat at Shanghai (92,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 30429 troops, 217 guns, 175 vehicles, Assault Value = 3305

Defending force 5516 troops, 14 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Allied adjusted assault: 744

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 744 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
5602 casualties reported
Squads: 61 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 348 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
53rd Chinese Corps
40th Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
47th Chinese Corps
85th Chinese Corps
29th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
52nd Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
19th Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
42nd Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
11th Chinese Corps
44th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
28th Chinese Corps
45th Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
2nd New Chinese Corps
85th Medium Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
3rd War Area
20th Group Army
9th War Area
1st Medium Regiment
134th Medium Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment
6th War Area
Z' Force
35th Group Army
22nd Artillery Regiment
134th (East Ang) Regiment
19th Group Army
2/1st Med Regiment
X' Force
21st Group Army
25th Group Army
1st Front
Lusu War Area
16th Group Army
9th Group Army
9th Chinese Base Force

Defending units:
23rd Division
25th Division


Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Shanghai
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[font="Tahoma"]Shanghai Imperial LCUs Present
06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___06___07___
_13___14___15___16___17___18___19___20___21___22___23___24___25___26___27___28___29___30___01__
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_________________________________ 104th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 11th Army
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X__________________ 11th Field Artillery Regiment
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X__________________________________________________________ 129th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 132nd Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 133rd Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X___________________________________________ 13th Air Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 161st Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 17th/C Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________________________________________________ 184th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_________________________________ 185th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X___________________________________________ 219th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X__________________________________________________________ 220th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________________________________________________ 22nd AA Regiment
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X___ 23rd Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 24th/A Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 24th/C Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X___ 25th Division
_X____X____X____X______________________________________________________________________________ 28th RF Gun Battalion
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X___________________________________________ 30th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X___________________________________________ 37th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 3rd Mixed Brigade
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X__________________________________________________________ 41st Ind Engineer Regiment
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 41st/B Division
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_________________________________ 47th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X_________________________________________________________________________ 4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 56th Infantry Brigade
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________________________________________________ 56th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X__________________ 56th JNAF AF Unit
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_________________________________ 57th JAAF AF Bn
________________________________________________________X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 58th Ind.Mixed Bde /1
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X___________________________________________ 58th Ind.Mixed Brigade
_X____X____X___________________________________________________________________________________ 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X_______________________________________________________________ 60th JAAF AF Bn
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 62nd Infantry Brigade
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 63rd Infantry Brigade
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 6th Ind.Infantry Brigade
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 72nd Infantry Brigade
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X__________________________________________________________ 77th Infantry Regiment
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 7th Ind.Infantry Brigade
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ 89th Ind.Mixed Brigade
_X____X____X____X______________________________________________________________________________ 8th Ind Engineer Regiment
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X_____________ 90th Ind.Mixed Brigade
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ China Area Fleet
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ Chugoku JNAF Base Force
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X___________________________________________ Shanghai SNLF
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X________ Shanghai Special Base Force
_X____X____X____X____X____X____X____X__________________________________________________________ Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment[/font]

Only one enemy unit left! All infantry attack the ~7,000 hold outs tomorrow.

[witpqs]

China frontier.

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Ground combat at Shanhaiguan (99,42)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 80527 troops, 29 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2627

Defending force 6563 troops, 14 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 221

Allied adjusted assault: 1732

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 1732 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Shanhaiguan !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender:
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
8794 casualties reported
Squads: 343 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 152 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 57 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 13 (13 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 7

Allied ground losses:
412 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
84th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
82nd Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
18th Chinese Corps
36th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
7th RGC Temp./B Division
4th NCPC Infantry Brigade
101st NCPC Route Brigade
71st Engineer Regiment
24th NCPC Route Brigade
105th NCPC Route Brigade
7th RGC Temp./C Division


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Surprise destruction of all defenders. I certainly thought they had a retreat path, so they must have been in extremely bad shape.

[witpqs]

Home Islands west.

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Ground combat at Kanoya (102,61)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 26838 troops, 397 guns, 406 vehicles, Assault Value = 860

Defending force 5698 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 26

Allied adjusted assault: 626

Japanese adjusted defense: 10

Allied assault odds: 62 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1039 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
96th Infantry Division
5th Marine Division
194th Tank Battalion
251st Field Artillery Battalion
517th Field Artillery Battalion
544th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
84th Division
1st Glider Inf. Regiment
2nd Glider Inf. Regiment
Kyushu JNAF Base Force


1st Glider Inf. Regiment Wiped Out at Kanoya by attrition!!!
2nd Glider Inf. Regiment Wiped Out at Kanoya by attrition!!!
Kyushu JNAF Base Force Wiped Out at Kanoya by attrition!!!
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[font="Tahoma"]Kanoya
06___07___
_30___01__
_X____X___ 1st Glider Inf. Regiment
_X____X___ 2nd Glider Inf. Regiment
_X________ 79th Field AA Machinecannon Company
_X____X___ 84th Division
_X____X___ Kyushu JNAF Base Force[/font]

One more Imperial unit, the 84th Division. Tomorrow a large Allied force will cross from Takamatsu on Shikoku into Fukuyama on Honshu. The game display does not tell if it is treated as a river crossing with required shock attack, but I figure it must be. Also tomorrow the remaining units assigned to the reduction of Oita will arrive there to commence operations.

[witpqs]

Home Islands east.
It seems I failed to catch at least one newby squadron on training.

Training mission from No.879 Sqn FAA caught up in attack

Also forgot to cancel the carrier borne torpedo bomber ground attacks, so they follow the retreated enemy to Osaka/Kyoto. Luckily it was a good raid. Our carrier jockies also made several anti-shipping strikes, finishing a CS in the process. Our ships weathered several night strikes while the Imperial day strikes were all destroyed at a distance.

The support troops should begin unloading at Tsu in 2 days. Meanwhile the runways are cleared and half the service damage repaired. There should be a down payment made on port repairs by the time it is needed. All amphibious convoys finished unloading and are on their way home. Several of them are being redirected to Hokkaido.

[witpqs]

The complete combat report, for combat junkies.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

China frontier.
Surprise destruction of all defenders. I certainly thought they had a retreat path, so they must have been in extremely bad shape.

I don't see a retreat path unless they were trained in water-walking. You have enough troops east of them that supply flow has not had time to find any gaps, so the AI would think no retreat is possible.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Home Islands west.
One more Imperial unit, the 84th Division. Tomorrow a large Allied force will cross from Takamatsu on Shikoku into Fukuyama on Honshu. The game display does not tell if it is treated as a river crossing with required shock attack, but I figure it must be. Also tomorrow the remaining units assigned to the reduction of Oita will arrive there to commence operations.

Trying to recall from my last game when I had troops make the same crossing (and also to Okayama). IIRC it is not treated as a river crossing because it is a strait and because you are crossing on a bridge. Should be the same at Shimonoseki.
Disclaimer: sometimes I do not "recall correctly" ...[:D]

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: witpqs

China frontier.
Surprise destruction of all defenders. I certainly thought they had a retreat path, so they must have been in extremely bad shape.

I don't see a retreat path unless they were trained in water-walking. You have enough troops east of them that supply flow has not had time to find any gaps, so the AI would think no retreat is possible.

I've seen that retreat paths can be a lot longer than supply paths (but the length is calculated the same way), so I figured those hexes SE of Chihfeng would allow a retreat path to one of the bases beyond. If units don't retreat they usually stay in place for a few more days while being destroyed, so either way they must have been in bad shape.