GD1938 Game 26
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
17 October 1938
Poland is undersupplied, but holding nicely against the busy Soviets.
Great Britain has about five years of supplies cached against a possible war.
Poland is undersupplied, but holding nicely against the busy Soviets.
Great Britain has about five years of supplies cached against a possible war.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
6th November 1938
Poland is still on the wrack the war dragging on for a protracted length of time not reflecting well on Soviet arms. the Soviets defy the long odds and stage a coup in Turkey.
Poland is still on the wrack the war dragging on for a protracted length of time not reflecting well on Soviet arms. the Soviets defy the long odds and stage a coup in Turkey.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
13th December 1938
German Christmas rations are distributed along Germany's Eastern border, the fronts in Poland are static as if both sides have called a truce. Germany can only assume that the winter conditions are causing a break in hostilities.
German Christmas rations are distributed along Germany's Eastern border, the fronts in Poland are static as if both sides have called a truce. Germany can only assume that the winter conditions are causing a break in hostilities.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
Poland can only wish that some German largess would trickle over the border. Despite using every resource for supplies the whole force structure in western Poland is in the red.
Warsaw is doing better, but is closely invested by large Soviet formations. The Soviets employ cost-free attacks, such as artillery, to weaken the Polish forces. Poland has no way to change the static nature of the front. A successful attack is not possible.
If the Soviets simply withdraw from Poland we Poles will happily return to peace.
Warsaw is doing better, but is closely invested by large Soviet formations. The Soviets employ cost-free attacks, such as artillery, to weaken the Polish forces. Poland has no way to change the static nature of the front. A successful attack is not possible.
If the Soviets simply withdraw from Poland we Poles will happily return to peace.
RE: GD1938 Game 26
12 December 1938
As the new year approaches Poland again asks the Soviet Union to withdraw from Polish lands. The troops to the west of Warsaw should vacate the hexes and allow the Poles to take them back. The Soviets may keep a corridor to the south to captured Krakow. The Soviets may keep the cities they captured until an international tribunal rules on the control of these cities. Once Poland-France has captured the hexes west of Warsaw the British will take over the advisor position in Poland. The British are not at war with the USSR and the war will officially end then. France will offer peace to the Soviet Union then. This will end an episode for the USSR which was certainly unfortunate for all concerned.
The Soviet audacity to attack East Prussia has led them into war with the Axis. While we would appreciate peace everywhere we do not expect Germany to give up East Prussia. Their campaign against the Reds now has a large theater which does not involve Poland. Poland expects the tribunal to require Soviet withdrawal from all Polish territory. Until that day Poland will remain neutral in the conflict between the Axis and USSR.
Comrades, do the right thing, tell your leader to end the war in Poland now!
As the new year approaches Poland again asks the Soviet Union to withdraw from Polish lands. The troops to the west of Warsaw should vacate the hexes and allow the Poles to take them back. The Soviets may keep a corridor to the south to captured Krakow. The Soviets may keep the cities they captured until an international tribunal rules on the control of these cities. Once Poland-France has captured the hexes west of Warsaw the British will take over the advisor position in Poland. The British are not at war with the USSR and the war will officially end then. France will offer peace to the Soviet Union then. This will end an episode for the USSR which was certainly unfortunate for all concerned.
The Soviet audacity to attack East Prussia has led them into war with the Axis. While we would appreciate peace everywhere we do not expect Germany to give up East Prussia. Their campaign against the Reds now has a large theater which does not involve Poland. Poland expects the tribunal to require Soviet withdrawal from all Polish territory. Until that day Poland will remain neutral in the conflict between the Axis and USSR.
Comrades, do the right thing, tell your leader to end the war in Poland now!
RE: GD1938 Game 26
9 January 1939
The Soviets have taken Krakow, and have established a ring of troops around Warsaw.

The Soviets have taken Krakow, and have established a ring of troops around Warsaw.

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RE: GD1938 Game 26
9 January 1939
The above post has a mistake. The Soviets long ago took Krakow, they took Poznan recently.
The above post has a mistake. The Soviets long ago took Krakow, they took Poznan recently.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
So France suggests that the Soviets retreat and Poland becomes French, so the war between the Soviet Union and Poland becomes a victory for France, a odd war indeed.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
It is a weird artifact of this system.
I think we should have a choice to set a nation back to neutral. Then Poland would not be French forever more, but go back to an influenceable minor.
Chuck
I think we should have a choice to set a nation back to neutral. Then Poland would not be French forever more, but go back to an influenceable minor.
Chuck
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
Weird or maybe not so weird, you and I are both aware that the Military dispositions you have graphically illustrated show a massive Soviet superiority if this was a real war then you or I would have crushed the poles several months ago. Warsaw with the weight of Soviet artillery around the city and the strength of Soviet divisions should have fallen in Autumn last year. But no Danzig (a German city) Warzaw and Poznan and now also Talk of placing Krakow in French hands. So these cities are being juggled between the Soviets and the French, to prevent German possession of these cities so was this ever a real war I think not, we have a house rule about false wars agreed a long time ago. If this continues then the Italians and Germans will have a series of wars in the Balkans giving them quick and painless control of some minor countries. You cannot expect some players to adhere to the rules (and there are not many to adhere to) and others to have a license to break them.
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Let's end this discussion by the Soviets simply stating that we are not interested in a peace with Poland. No cities have been "juggled" and the attacks made by me, are as I view them the ones neccesary.
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Regarding the slow progress... you yourself are to blame. Firstly by not keeping to our agreement of the partition of Poland. No time of attack had been agreed, and the Soviets were as much allowed to attack when they wished as the Germans.
As for the switch of Danzig, to Polish hands, that had more to do with the extraordinary pressure from the German Navy, that shelled the Soviets with impunity. Many of the troops in Poland had to withdraw to prevent a presumed German invasion by sea of the Soviet Union itself, and its new conquests.
Finally the "buffer" that is preventing the Germans from Steamrolling the Soviets through Poland, is a logical choice. Why play the fool, and let you unleash hell apon me?
As for Warsaw, not one turn has passed where I did not shell Warsaw, but with the state of the Soviet military, you yourself would probably not attack it, with the few forces you have left me in Poland. Instead I have opted for a starvation tactic. A siege. Something that is now making me able to slowly take the rest of Poland, and eventually Danzig again.
So in a way, your actions, are the reasons why it is going seemingly so slow.
As for the switch of Danzig, to Polish hands, that had more to do with the extraordinary pressure from the German Navy, that shelled the Soviets with impunity. Many of the troops in Poland had to withdraw to prevent a presumed German invasion by sea of the Soviet Union itself, and its new conquests.
Finally the "buffer" that is preventing the Germans from Steamrolling the Soviets through Poland, is a logical choice. Why play the fool, and let you unleash hell apon me?
As for Warsaw, not one turn has passed where I did not shell Warsaw, but with the state of the Soviet military, you yourself would probably not attack it, with the few forces you have left me in Poland. Instead I have opted for a starvation tactic. A siege. Something that is now making me able to slowly take the rest of Poland, and eventually Danzig again.
So in a way, your actions, are the reasons why it is going seemingly so slow.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
Well this would make some sense if we had a agreement to partition Poland I remember you raised the issue but as far as I know I made no response for obvious reasons. The first being that I would have to Declare War on the western allies in 1938 something I had no intention doing, or if I did respond it would have been along the lines of yes of course we can partition Poland as and when the Germans are ready for a war. My view of the incident that it was a attempt to railroad Germany into a early war so I was not going to touch a attack on Poland with a barge pole. And from memory you agreed that no date for a attack on Poland had been agreed. I think you put it down to a impulsive rush of blood to the head. Beside a precursor to all of this is a alliance between the Soviets and Germany to that terrain can be adjusted a clear territorial borderline nothing like this is in place. And the little matter of a Declaration of War on Germany and the annexing of German territory [X(]
As I said at the time the Soviets are now German enemy number one that has not changed.
As I said at the time the Soviets are now German enemy number one that has not changed.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
The taking of the miniscule city of Königsberg, was merely a result of the Rumanians coming under German control. Would I want a common border with a country that viewed it as its prime opponent. And it was very convienient that you left Königsberg, and all of East Prussia ... without a single German soldier...
So you tell me, who provoked the war?
So you tell me, who provoked the war?
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
Ok seriously I left a city ungarrison that was a reason to declare war[;)] that was the provocation that caused the Soviets to declare war ? I would have thought leaving a strong force of Germans could equally be a provocation and you could equally claim that provocation was the reason you declared war. Romania at the time of the Soviet invasion of Poland was neutral. With the subsequent war declared by the Soviet Union a handover of Bessarabia seems highly unlikely.
Bottom line the Soviet Union declares war on Poland with no prior agreement with the Germans, then declares War on Germany annexing Konigsberg a German city. Something to bare in mind if you wish to avoid war with the Germans declaring war on them is a funny way of going about it. This my 28th game I not seen a Soviet player climb into the face of the Germans so aggressively, normally its Finland or the Baltic states or Turkey. But to go straight for Poland with two German cities Warsaw and a precious coal resource at stake. Well you've got balls I will give you that much.
Bottom line the Soviet Union declares war on Poland with no prior agreement with the Germans, then declares War on Germany annexing Konigsberg a German city. Something to bare in mind if you wish to avoid war with the Germans declaring war on them is a funny way of going about it. This my 28th game I not seen a Soviet player climb into the face of the Germans so aggressively, normally its Finland or the Baltic states or Turkey. But to go straight for Poland with two German cities Warsaw and a precious coal resource at stake. Well you've got balls I will give you that much.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
As stated above, the provocation was the take-over of Rumania.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
6 February 1939
The Poles joyously recovered land abandoned by the Soviets. They went too far trying to enter Krakow, suffering greater losses than they caused. Artillery and air strikes hastened the Reds on their way.
The French and British noticed significant Italian activity in North Africa, and will watch developments.
The Poles joyously recovered land abandoned by the Soviets. They went too far trying to enter Krakow, suffering greater losses than they caused. Artillery and air strikes hastened the Reds on their way.
The French and British noticed significant Italian activity in North Africa, and will watch developments.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
March 1939
Krakow is liberated for the poles but will remain under German tempus imperium while the Soviet threat remains.
It is not a shock that the British have noticed Italian forces on Italian Sovereign territory. As the British are on the borders of and off the coast of Italian territory. The Italians are not interested in where British forces are we know they have them but can't be bothered to keep telling the world where they are.
Krakow is liberated for the poles but will remain under German tempus imperium while the Soviet threat remains.
It is not a shock that the British have noticed Italian forces on Italian Sovereign territory. As the British are on the borders of and off the coast of Italian territory. The Italians are not interested in where British forces are we know they have them but can't be bothered to keep telling the world where they are.
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
To my fellow players :
The house rules we are playing under are curious, and have led this game in an unusual direction. With American isolation ended, and a Polish offer of peace to the USSR, I have some questions.
Can Great Britain, France, and the United States ever declare war, ever?
Can Great Britain, France, and the United States ever donate units to allies, like the USSR and China?
If we come to the conclusion that Great Britain, France, and the United States are now locked in an isolationism far more stringent than that the USA recently escaped, could the active players please set a very fast pace so we can get to the point where Bombur and I can actually play GD1938. I propose that in March 1940 all restriction on sovereign nations be lifted. This gives the USSR, Germany-Italy, Japan and China a full year to play in their sandbox.
How say you, gentlemen?
Chuck
The house rules we are playing under are curious, and have led this game in an unusual direction. With American isolation ended, and a Polish offer of peace to the USSR, I have some questions.
Can Great Britain, France, and the United States ever declare war, ever?
Can Great Britain, France, and the United States ever donate units to allies, like the USSR and China?
If we come to the conclusion that Great Britain, France, and the United States are now locked in an isolationism far more stringent than that the USA recently escaped, could the active players please set a very fast pace so we can get to the point where Bombur and I can actually play GD1938. I propose that in March 1940 all restriction on sovereign nations be lifted. This gives the USSR, Germany-Italy, Japan and China a full year to play in their sandbox.
How say you, gentlemen?
Chuck
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RE: GD1938 Game 26
Sorry, the long turns are my fault. There have been a number of projects holding me back, so I really couldn't do it much faster. Also I need time for making the new version of GD 1938, that everybody (and Tom) seems to be really waiting for. Maybe you need another player for the USSR?
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