TopEverest vs Admiral Kamikaze - the rematch

[topeverest]

The initial German campaign season has ended!

All things considered, I can't give myself a grade higher than C. I kept too many troops in the south, which saved Stalino area, Sevestopol, Rostov and the like, but I gave up Moscow. I saved the following

85% of vehicle production
94% of heavy industry
100% of AFV
100% of air
95% of armaments

It is what it is. All eyes are now focused on the upcoming Moscow fight. The enemy is beginning to fortify the Moscow area.

[topeverest]

First the good news.

[topeverest]

And here is Moscow. It will be 'the mother of all battles!'

NOTE - the w binded pics are off by 3 hexes horizontally...

[topeverest]

next priority - move up 150+ units to the mlr and organize armies for counteroffensive

The enemy has stated their intention to renew the offensive in the window between mud and blizzard.

[GabrielBora]

ORIGINAL: topeverest

First the good news.

The general direction in which your fronts retreat after Kiev battle is a bit strange . The Southern front is in a much beter position to defend HARKOV.
It does not start overloaded, it is not realy under any real presure until august 1941, so you can bring him up to strenght for the batle, using newly raised divisions . The terain south of DNEPROPETROVSK can be defended by KONEV north military district forces , as it upgrades to front TOE and his aircomand is unfrozen.
I see that you are trying to keep the historical front areas, but your SOUTHWESTERN front ends up overstreched and overloaded as result.

[GabrielBora]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

It's wasteful in APs to be promoting GL's to Front commands. Leave the good ones in your better and important armies until they at least make GP. With those extra APs you could have a lot more sapper regiments or more/upgraded air regiments.

My take as well, in my curent game I was fortunate enough to have VATUTIN replacing KUZNETOV automaticly, but until AP start to overflow, the front comanders are going to take the blame for the soviet early defeats .

[Stelteck]

The more important leader is the army one.

I think based on some previous thread i read that for example a INIT 5 leader have 50% of success at army level (no taken into account various bonus/malus such as distance, HQ moved or not, etc...), 25% at front level and 12.5% at stavka level.

So putting the best at high level could be not very efficient. Zuikov at stavka (for init)provide only a 12.5% => 18% increase of success, while at front level he have nearly 50% of success.

[GabrielBora]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

The more important leader is the army one.

I think based on some previous thread i read that for example a INIT 5 leader have 50% of success at army level (no taken into account various bonus/malus such as distance, HQ moved or not, etc...), 25% at front level and 12.5% at stavka level.

So putting the best at high level could be not very efficient. Zuikov at stavka (for init)provide only a 12.5% => 18% increase of success, while at front level he have nearly 50% of success.

That is the optimist view on things.[:D]
it also true that a INIT 5 leader have 50% of failure at army level. (and you can barely find enough of them )
front fails 75% , STAVKA FAILS 87,5 % to reedem them .

You might find some good leaders that only fail 30% of the time at army level (and we need them in 1941) but for the army and the war as a whole,
initiative needs to go up each level of command .

[topeverest]

Just sent 11-7-1941

no material movement in the MLR - next turn snow comes so there will be some Germans attacks.

Regarding SW front yes I have struggled to maintain the integrity and size of fronts. I find one of the most frustrating parts of the game
is units retreating in any and all directions making organization a pain.

Also there aren't enough released fronts given the large number of units.


Below is my current front loads. Suggestions


The more I learn - the more there is to learn...

ORIGINAL: GabrielBora

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

The more important leader is the army one.

I think based on some previous thread i read that for example a INIT 5 leader have 50% of success at army level (no taken into account various bonus/malus such as distance, HQ moved or not, etc...), 25% at front level and 12.5% at stavka level.

So putting the best at high level could be not very efficient. Zuikov at stavka (for init)provide only a 12.5% => 18% increase of success, while at front level he have nearly 50% of success.

That is the optimist view on things.[:D]
it also true that a INIT 5 leader have 50% of failure at army level. (and you can barely find enough of them )
front fails 75% , STAVKA FAILS 87,5 % to reedem them .

You might find some good leaders that only fail 30% of the time at army level (and we need them in 1941) but for the army and the war as a whole,
initiative needs to go up each level of command .

[topeverest]

And here are the army commanders

[topeverest]

And here are my best unassigned army commanders - clearly some work to do.

[topeverest]

I haven't done anything here but the situation isn't as bad as army commanders.

[topeverest]

Will get 11-13-1941 Turn 22 overnight so I will be publishing that turns results with the expectation that the enemy will renew his attacks.

[GabrielBora]

ORIGINAL: topeverest

And here are the army commanders

The soviet side needs to make best use ,even from the worse comanders and low morale divisions .
You put one army Hq asigned to stavka behind each front.
18th army backs up Southern front ,16th army backs North caucasus front, 19th army backs up Southwestern front , 21th the Bryansk front, 20th the Western front, 24th army the Kalinin front (upon arival),22nd army the Northwest front and so on .
These hqțs are are striped of whatever good divisions they have, to replace the front losses and only given construction units in support.
Than whenever a fighting front division gets to demoralised(35 morale for me ) you transfer it, to these sapper armies and repace it with a high morale but yet inexperienced division.

Since in 1941 you receive only 10 fronts but 52 armies , you only need 42 good army leaders ( 4 per front + 2 to defend karelia and krimea ) .

[Maximillian999]

Top, I saw you mentioned how disappointing the FZs were when defending Leningrad and Moscow. Most players recommend using those only for building/maintaining hex fort levels and disbanding them once the enemy gets near. It's not just you, they are always brittle and not very effective in combat.

[topeverest]

Thanks - unfortunately, I figured that out the hard way.

What is it that is said, "IF ITS NOT PAINFL - ITS NOT A LESSON

ORIGINAL: Maximillian999

Top, I saw you mentioned how disappointing the FZs were when defending Leningrad and Moscow. Most players recommend using those only for building/maintaining hex fort levels and disbanding them once the enemy gets near. It's not just you, they are always brittle and not very effective in combat.

[topeverest]

GabrielBora

I like the idea. Will try to set such things up over time.

Right now doing final planning for the winter counteroffensive.

[topeverest]

MLR has been pretty static.

Enemy has continued a slow push to Stalino and a pincer move on kalinin.

About 60% of the winter forces are now in place near Moscow.

[topeverest]

Kalinin likely to be last casualty of war of the summer - will move up troops next turn to start the attack on first blizzard turn

[topeverest]

Linear German tactics here