Another World : AAR Soviet Stelteck Vs German Pelton (No Pelton Zone)

[Stelteck]

Anyone know what is the typical german men production ? Not sûre if 15K dead is enough to attrit a little. Better than nothing, still.

[MrBlizzard]

Axis gets around 21k men per week; 75% are for Germany , 25% other Axis nations.
These are mere replacements, you have to add new units arriving and subtract units leaving.

Looking at the OOB every turn is the empirical method : if Germany OOB decreases you're attriting it successfully, if it's increasing you're not

[Stelteck]

I will track german numbers. (I do not do it currently).

Turn 84 : 21 January 1942

No great offensive this winter, just the usual fight in the caucasus.



The ennemy managed to cut the railroad line closest to east. It is annoying.
Considering this, he retreated a little from central caucasus.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

Anyone know what is the typical german men production ? Not sûre if 15K dead is enough to attrit a little. Better than nothing, still.

G get 14,670 new men per turn in '43 + 65% (I think) of disabled returns ie 0.65% of disabled pool/turn. They also get HIWIs from captives in previous turn (8%) + captured baby factories. In my game vs BrianG by T83 that's just shy of 450K.

[M60A3TTS]

Why is the Wehrmacht getting manpower from captured baby factories? Seems like those people were being deported to the Reich for slave labor. The whole hiwi thing ran contrary to the concept of Slavs as subhuman and unfit to work alongside the Germans, and was largely implemented after the Ostheer started running into manpower issues.

[chaos45]

Hiwis were un-officially used basically from late 1941 on really. Most units just kept them unofficial, until finally German High command acknowledged the practice officially due to manpower shortages.

Hiwis were also un-officially even used in combat roles when the units trusted them/worked with them for a long time. This was a double edged sword tho as it also allowed easier infiltration of soviet spies into German lines at times. Is many cases of Hiwis fighting closely with German troops and then when things looked super grim the German Soldiers either giving them permission to dessert to the Soviet side or them just disappearing. Because they had gotten to be comrades in arms basically and knew if the hiwis were captured with the German units it was auto death sentence from the Soviet Army.

You find cases of their use in many of the more detailed unit and individual experience books out there. Official Army/Nazis policy was often disregarded at the sharp edge of the spear and due to manpower shortages.

[Stelteck]

There has been some cryptics post from forum strange accounts recently on some AAR. (Not here fortunately).
I hope my opponent do not read my AAR, as i do it in real time, it would be a shame.

So turn 85: 28 January 1942

It is still a huge mess in the caucasus, where a roumanian unit retreated south of the map and was impossible to disloge. So it is panic mode for units in the west to try to escape by foot.



Around moscow, i'am testing all out assault to see what is happening. Results are not very productive, but it is mostly a way to train my arty divisions in the area. I guess they will be more efficient with 20 more XP.



And in the far east, i'am beginning a reco in force of the area, with limited forces, to see if i'am capable of reconquering the east side of the map.

In the second turn, i managed to encercle and destroy a spanish regiment !!!

[M60A3TTS]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck
There has been some cryptics post from forum strange accounts recently on some AAR. (Not here fortunately).
I hope my opponent do not read my AAR, as i do it in real time, it would be a shame.

Unfortunately, although it wasn't the case in the past, now that is an assumption and you might want to restore some delay to your reporting.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

ORIGINAL: Stelteck
There has been some cryptics post from forum strange accounts recently on some AAR. (Not here fortunately).
I hope my opponent do not read my AAR, as i do it in real time, it would be a shame.

Unfortunately, although it wasn't the case in the past, now that is an assumption and you might want to restore some delay to your reporting.

Concur with M60A3TTS

[Stelteck]

Turn 86 : 04 February 1942

We are still in full blizzard.

In the caucasus, it is still a little messy, but i did manage to kill this terrible roumanian unit. German logistic in the caucasus is at the limit and the region will hold in the east.
But the west is falling.



In the middle, i'am testing WW1 style offensive. It caused some damage.



In the far east, my recon in force meet little resistance and kill another german regiment. It look feasable now to reconnect to the south part of my empire.



Analysis of german numbers other the last 4 turn show that i do not attrit german army at all. German army is growing from 1000 to 4000 men each turn. Even with the lost of some regiments.

[Mac Linehan]

Stelteck-

An absolutely First Class AAR.

Am a Newbie, the rules have been read and studied; however there is no substitute for experience.

Am the Russians playing the German AI in the 1941 - 45 Bitter End Campaign.

Have learned a lot from this forum.

As for the Gents commenting: Deeply appreciate your thoughts and guidance for Stelteck; as I have greatly benefited from your advice.

I was on the edge of my seat, page by page - hoping that Moscow would hold!

Cricket Mac

[Stelteck]

Thank you !!

Turn 87 : 11 February 1942

My opponent tactics to deal with artillery division is to bombard them from the air. it is the first time ever bombing is used that way (usually the ennemy bomb just before attacking an hex).
Efficiency is unknown.



My troops are running south !!!!



My supply problem is solved and now i can even store some supply.



And now the resume of the turn, the list of units destroyed from start of the game :

[Stelteck]

Turn 88 : 18 February 1942 : German counter attack

This turn the ennemy created two local but important counter attack.

First, a big raid in the northern east side of the front. 10 panzers divisions full stuff crossed the large river in the full blizzard, crushed all the defensive line which was decent, and surrounded a cavalry corps and 2 rifle divisions.
I have strong reserves here that will attack the breach, but loosing more troops is annoying.



In the far east, the ennemy attacked too, using 2 ultra elite new motorized units. I never saw these units before and their fighting value looks incredible.
Once again, a cavalry corps and tank corps are surrounded with no hope of rescue.



But at least, a little more south, my troops were able to destroy the fighting division of the luftwaffe. (It was a bad division from start).



I do not think this episode is more than a raid, but it showed that the german army is still really strong. According to number, the german army is stronger than ever at any point in the war.

[M60A3TTS]

The jury may still be out, but maybe the Soviet manpower reduction went a tad too far, particularly in 1942. Once the Axis player gets enough manpower centers now, and with Axis battle casualties so low, it seems the Soviet starts a slow yet long spiral downward from which they really can't recover.

[chaos45]

Think I mentioned that like a year ago lol.

[Stelteck]

I'am not even close to historical looses for soviet union. [:(]
(Around a little less than 7M looses currently).

But germany have no looses too. Even with full assault with 200K men i kill like 500 germans and 10 tanks [:@]

[GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

The jury may still be out, but maybe the Soviet manpower reduction went a tad too far, particularly in 1942.
Once the Axis player gets enough manpower centers now, and with Axis battle casualties so low,
it seems the Soviet starts a slow yet long spiral downward from which they really can't recover.

Russia is not proportionately populated between the smaller western portion (almost 25%) and the larger eastern portion
(more than 75%) The western portion has 77% of the population and the rest is east of the Urals.

In this game Russia has lost allot of its population centers so manpower should be a real problem.

Going by Stelteck's #s I say combat losses per battle seem historically low.

Losses per campaign will probably never reflect historical losses, because we are all Monday morning quarterbacks.

If Chaos45 is talking about losses per battle, then I agree.

[M60A3TTS]

What he's getting now isn't so much of an issue given the land he has lost. But shouldn't manpower be a function of the manpower centers and not be impacted so much by multipliers which seem to be a game balancer more than anything? In the first half of 1942 he hadn't lost that much more than historical.

[Stelteck]

One question if someone have any advice :

I have 1800 BM-13 rocket launcher in pool and only 16 support unit regiment are using them. And only 24 each.

I do not have the PP nor the need to built 50 light rocket regiment as i already have a good number of artillery support units. Any idea how efficient they are relative to an howlitzer regiment ?

Breakthough divisions do not use them.
Rocket guard division just removed them from their TOE and will never get anymore. They use the fixed launcher, built from AA.

Tanks corps will use some of them at the end of the year.. 8 of them. I do not have so much tanks corps.

I did not try the rocket brigade but i'am not sûre of their TOE (and i do not want to built brigade as i have artillery division).

It is quite silly noone is using truck rocket launchers !! Any idea ? I want a division of 300 of these trucks !!

[sillyflower]

You can't stop production so move 1 of the rocket factories to where he's advancing to and he will destroy it. If he's not advancing, just rail 1 rocket somewhere and repeat when it starts to grow again.