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Sumatra has 65 major FLT damage (no engine damage), so she'll need a long, long time in an ARD or shipyard.
no sure which is more valuable at this point. a CV or an ARD. An ARD at one of your new ports would be priceless but they are so slow and would require a ton of escort....as would a deeply wounded CV. She is probably done for the war. Does anybody know if a dry dock is any faster than and AR and ARD? I believe flotation fixes a bit faster than engine damage....so there is that.

In my experience, a CV in an ARD is faster at fixing just floatation damage than a CV in a shipyard.
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5/1/44

Fun House and Big Tent: Despite high-odds attacks, Baybay and Namlea fail to fall; but they're ripe for the plucking and will fall soon.

Otherwise, a good day in these theaters.

Roller Coaster: In a surprise, combat engineers fragment (11 AV) attack a much stronger garrison at Roi-Namur and take this long-contested base. The enemy garrison was out of supply and badly disrupted by daily bombings. Merrill's Marauders were 51% prepped for this base, so they'll switch to a different target. Mop up in SoPac is tedious, carries some risk (John will love to hit exposed ships), but is necessary to expand the LOC between West Coast, Pago Pago and ANZAC.


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Do you have any recon on Puerto Princessa (on Palawan Is.)? Looks like you need that to help seal up the Sulu Sea.
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Puerto is lightly held. I debated taking it before choosing Taytay instead.

I do plan to work on the Sulu Sea region once Leyte and Panay are taken. That's because 7th Aussie Division is my mobile strike force.

Puerto Princessa, Sandakan, Zamboanga, and the island just SW of Puerto Princessa are all empty or weakly held. That may change before I'm ready to move on them.
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Puerto is lightly held. I debated taking it before choosing Taytay instead.

I do plan to work on the Sulu Sea region once Leyte and Panay are taken. That's because 7th Aussie Division is my mobile strike force.

Puerto Princessa, Sandakan, Zamboanga, and the island just SW of Puerto Princessa are all empty or weakly held. That may change before I'm ready to move on them.

If you're going to go for Balabac (that island), why not just go for Jesselton instead? It can be port 6/AF 9.
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For OpSec reasons, discussions of long-range plans or key operations are mostly vague or entirely avoided. But here's a discussion of what's going on behind the current tactical and operational maneuvering (this won't be revealing to experienced player, but might be of interest to those who are newer).

The next big Allied operation, Peep Show, is currently scheduled for autumn 1944. But a sudden decisive battle could change timetables and objectives. A big carrier victory would result in expedited moves forward. A big defeat would translate into "fort-up" and defend until the situation stabilizes. A draw would mean: carry on, for now, and see to bringing in reinforcements to regain enough carrier strength to move against any LBA threat.

So bearing in mind that conditions may change, in the medium term the plan is to build up the Philippine Island bases while expanding my hold, especially to the south and west. Readers know that Leyte is currently under assault; Panay is next; and then probably bases to the W and SW to take control of the Sulu Sea. From there, I'd likely move further south to make it difficult or impossible for John to get oil for Miri/Brunei, Tarakan and Balikpapan.

While that's going on, I'm attending to mop-up duty in the Pacific and in the DEI. This is hazardous because John will look for opportunities to strike exposed and under-protected forces. In most places my LOCs are long and narrow, meaning they are exposed to enemy air or sea attack from the flanks. To reduce the risk to those LOCs and make shipment of troops, supplies and fuel more efficient, I'm broadening those shoulders, but doing so slowly and pretty carefully. The Ellice Islands and Roi-Namur just fell; Namlea should fall in a day or two; and many other bases are targeted, near-term or medium-term, including: Luganville, Ndeni, Ocean, Nauru, Kusaie, Eniwetok, Marcus, Darwin, Koepang, Lautem, Manado, Ternate, Makassar, and Kendari. That's a lot of mopping up!

For the past six months, I've usually had at least one and sometimes as many as three amphibious forces at sea, ready to move if KB shows up somewhere far away. I don't mention these forces because stealth is a key component of each operation. Many, many times I've had to recall these forces because KB suddenly shows up nearby or its whereabouts have been uncertain for too long. The invasion of Toabli, the dot hex between Wake and Wotje, was a good example. I started invasion forces towards that insignificant little atoll three or four times over four months before finally green-lighting it.

The three main objectives are the same: (1) Japanese navy; (2) Japanese oil; (3) Japanese industry. John is showing a marked reluctance to commit his navy. He's picking at the edges, hoping that subs and aircraft might cause enough attrition to lessen the odds. That may or may not happen. Eventually he'll probably commit his navy in conjunction with kamikazes and other LBA. In the meantime, I think I'll be focusing on threatening his oil production centers as a way of prodding him to commit.

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Repair Shipyards - John just loves to expand them outside of Japan. [&:] I've try to talk him out of it as its a waste, but this game started long b4 I was able to convince him not to do so much. <shakes head vigorously> A mouseover of Shanghai will probably show it over 50.
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Repair Shipyards - John just loves to expand them outside of Japan. [&:] I've try to talk him out of it as its a waste, but this game started long b4 I was able to convince him not to do so much. <shakes head vigorously> A mouseover of Shanghai will probably show it over 50.

I'm with John on this one. The risk of subs or otherwise sinking en route is just too great and I'll gladly spend 30K supplies to make sure I can repair a BB rather than risk losing it. I don't get any more of them.
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Sumatra has 65 major FLT damage (no engine damage), so she'll need a long, long time in an ARD or shipyard.
no sure which is more valuable at this point. a CV or an ARD. An ARD at one of your new ports would be priceless but they are so slow and would require a ton of escort....as would a deeply wounded CV. She is probably done for the war. Does anybody know if a dry dock is any faster than and AR and ARD? I believe flotation fixes a bit faster than engine damage....so there is that.

In my experience, a CV in an ARD is faster at fixing just floatation damage than a CV in a shipyard.

Wow, good to know. Thanks.[&o]
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yup, you want one of these close by. You only get a few, and they take months to move, but WOW

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Think of the vast number of high school students today who have never heard of the Bismarck or George Patton or Leyte Gulf. Think of all the fascinating history that would hold their attention if taught properly.

And even then, they'd never learn about ARDs, Mulberries, the tremendous disinformation employed prior to D-Day, and so many other fascinating aspects of World War II history.

And then we can spread that history out to include any other era in history.

History is spectacular.
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Think of the vast majority of U.S. high school students who have no idea what, or where, Normandy even is
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They really need to start teaching history a lot earlier & make it part of the core curriculum.....
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They really need to start teaching history a lot earlier & make it part of the core curriculum.....

It's all up to your local boards. Where I come from, public education was excellent and we did learn about all these things that the old geezers say kids these days should learn. Makes me just roll my eyes, like this! [8|]
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Oh, I hoped for another 50 pages :(

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It's not just recent military history, they gloss over Western history (ancient to modern) in schools nowadays. I thought this myself back in high school where we only got the briefest of introductions to Greece and Rome, but spent a year on "World Cultures." Anecdotally, I queried several of my younger brother's friends (and him) and only a sadly small fraction could say with certainty who Marcus Aurelius or Augustus Caesar were. The dearth of knowledge becomes even worse as you move into the medieval ages and only begins to get somewhat better during the Renaissance.
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It's interesting to me that because in my school district, they covered little else aside from western history. World Culture and the ancient period was covered in 6th grade , greeks/romans/middle ages/renaissance in 7th grade, early american history in 8th, then in 9th it was Western history (from 1700 to 2005), and then american history from 1865 in 10th. After that, we had a government/civics requirement. All in all, fairly well rounded

Here's what I some of what I remember about Rome from my middle school class
Marcus Aurelius was one of the five "good emperors" (although he did appoint his son Commodus as emperor, which broke the tradition that the Emperor adopt an heir, rather than sire one). Augustus was Octavian, Julius Ceaser's nephew, and first emperor of Rome.
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A few years ago I spoke with some elementary kids (including my nephew), and they told me that they learned that American Indians could dodge bullets. I shot them with a nerf gun to show that they couldn't dodge bullets. Their response: "we're not Indians".

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It isnt different here in Germany sadly. When we got history classes back in school I was looking forward to it. I thought we would learn and talk about history.....yeah.
No one was interested, especially not the teacher. The books didnt offer anything I didnt knew already or had at home 1000 times better.
Even worse the teacher hated it that a girl knew something about it. I was basically discouraged everywhere to pursue that interest.

I had however an awesome math teacher who heard about it encouraged me and he even gifted me some nice books he didnt need anymore.

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It's interesting to me that because in my school district, they covered little else aside from western history. World Culture and the ancient period was covered in 6th grade , greeks/romans/middle ages/renaissance in 7th grade, early american history in 8th, then in 9th it was Western history (from 1700 to 2005), and then american history from 1865 in 10th. After that, we had a government/civics requirement. All in all, fairly well rounded

Here's what I some of what I remember about Rome from my middle school class
Marcus Aurelius was one of the five "good emperors" (although he did appoint his son Commodus as emperor, which broke the tradition that the Emperor adopt an heir, rather than sire one). Augustus was Octavian, Julius Ceaser's nephew, and first emperor of Rome.


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