Japanese A/C Research Accleration thread

[adarbrauner]

I heard or read that that was a Panther tank actually.

[Zorch]

ORIGINAL: Revthought

ORIGINAL: InfiniteMonkey

Why not hold out for the M1A2 Abrams, the F-22, and the V-22?

Well, the Japanese at least purchased a Tiger tank, and had planned for its shipment to Japan, along with its design specifications and the right to produce it. It cost the Imperial Government 600,000 marks.

In fact, it was sitting in Marseilles waiting for submarine transport to Japan on June 6th, 1944. The Germans hadn't quite figured out how they were going to disassemble the tank for transport in the submarine when Overlord started. As a result, the Germans leased the tank back from the Japanese government for use against the Allies. I believe it was eventually lost in France.

All that said, you might be on to something! I wish I was artistically inclined so I could draw up a scene of IJA soldiers riding around on an M1A2! [:D]

'That way it comes under the monthly current budget, not the capital accounts budget.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd9NQxIeAAc (at the end)

[rustysi]

ORIGINAL: goodboyladdie

For the record I am the opponent in question and suggested this to Scott. As far as I am concerned, it is up to him what he spends his finite resources on. Just because in real life the Japs made serious errors in what they produced, does not mean that he has to. As his pilots are so precious and he cannot really afford to train loads more, armour in his planes is a no-brainer as far as I can see. Same thing with utilising an existing engine with the Ki-61 airframe - how did it take so long for the Japs to see it? Scott cannot afford to do any more than a couple of these anyway and I have complete faith in his sense of fairness and proportion, after playing him since 2005.

Besides, he needs all the help he can get...[:'(]

And as I've always stated when players agree anyway you play is fine.[8D]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

I heard or read that that was a Panther tank actually.

There was a picture a few months back on this forum showing the Tiger I tank with Rising Sun meatball on it. The IJA might have also looked at the Panther - a much more practical tank to operate, but, like the Tiger, poorly designed for rapid maintenance/repair.

[Canoerebel]

A few days ago, my auto-minded son told me about Mercedes going through a massive redesign of one of its vehicles in the mid 1980s. The changes included lights (green, yellow, red) that indicated the oil level (state of the art stuff, at the time). After changing the oil, a mechanic then had to flip a switch to reset the light to "green." The engineers put that switch somewhere behind the engine. In order to get access to it, the auto repair guy had to loosen the engine mount and move the engine, thus making a simple oil change incredibly expensive.

Germany engineering is fabulous (I hear, though I've never owned a state-of-the-art German vehicle, airplane or tank), but sometimes the littlest things....

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

A few days ago, my auto-minded son told me about Mercedes going through a massive redesign of one of its vehicles in the mid 1980s. The changes included lights (green, yellow, red) that indicated the oil level (state of the art stuff, at the time). After changing the oil, a mechanic then had to flip a switch to reset the light to "green." The engineers put that switch somewhere behind the engine. In order to get access to it, the auto repair guy had to loosen the engine mount and move the engine, thus making a simple oil change incredibly expensive.

Germany engineering is fabulous (I hear, though I've never owned a state-of-the-art German vehicle, airplane or tank), but sometimes the littlest things....

Sometimes I think the designs must be a way of making sure the dealerships can charge huge amounts for labour and thus keep their loyalty to Mercedes (or whatever manufacturer). I remember having a tail light go out (can't remember which car model though), and the only non-destructive way to change it required removal of body panels to expose the back of the tail light module, which then had to be totally removed before you could get to the bulb! And of course every auto maker has their own proprietary bulbs! It's a plot, I say! [:@]

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

A few days ago, my auto-minded son told me about Mercedes going through a massive redesign of one of its vehicles in the mid 1980s. The changes included lights (green, yellow, red) that indicated the oil level (state of the art stuff, at the time). After changing the oil, a mechanic then had to flip a switch to reset the light to "green." The engineers put that switch somewhere behind the engine. In order to get access to it, the auto repair guy had to loosen the engine mount and move the engine, thus making a simple oil change incredibly expensive.

Germany engineering is fabulous (I hear, though I've never owned a state-of-the-art German vehicle, airplane or tank), but sometimes the littlest things....

Sometimes I think the designs must be a way of making sure the dealerships can charge huge amounts for labour and thus keep their loyalty to Mercedes (or whatever manufacturer). I remember having a tail light go out (can't remember which car model though), and the only non-destructive way to change it required removal of body panels to expose the back of the tail light module, which then had to be totally removed before you could get to the bulb! And of course every auto maker has their own proprietary bulbs! It's a plot, I say! [:@]

It definitely is... on the luxury lines. Buy a Ford or a Chevy and it's not that way.

Cadillac, BMW, and Mercedes have always been that way.

[wdolson]

These days with LED lights, the bulbs stand a good chance of lasting the life of the car.

There was a story I read a while back that Pontiac produced a new car in the 60s with fenders that extended down over the back wheels. A month or so after starting production they discovered the back wheels couldn't be removed without cutting the fender. They had to do a recall and modify the fenders. They didn't discover the problem because the wheels were installed before the body was mated with the frame.

Bill

[Revthought]

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

I heard or read that that was a Panther tank actually.

It is actually quite a complicated story. The Japanese did purchase a Panther, 2 Panzer IIIs, and a Tiger I from Germany; However, the only tanks that were actually "delivered" were the Tiger and the Panzer IIIs (the Panzer IIIs being the only ones to make it to Japan).

One of the researchers at Wargaming (World of Tanks, World of Warships, and World of Warplanes guys) wrote a great little article about the Japanese Tiger. You can read it here

[bomccarthy]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

A few days ago, my auto-minded son told me about Mercedes going through a massive redesign of one of its vehicles in the mid 1980s. The changes included lights (green, yellow, red) that indicated the oil level (state of the art stuff, at the time). After changing the oil, a mechanic then had to flip a switch to reset the light to "green." The engineers put that switch somewhere behind the engine. In order to get access to it, the auto repair guy had to loosen the engine mount and move the engine, thus making a simple oil change incredibly expensive.

Germany engineering is fabulous (I hear, though I've never owned a state-of-the-art German vehicle, airplane or tank), but sometimes the littlest things....

Sometimes I think the designs must be a way of making sure the dealerships can charge huge amounts for labour and thus keep their loyalty to Mercedes (or whatever manufacturer). I remember having a tail light go out (can't remember which car model though), and the only non-destructive way to change it required removal of body panels to expose the back of the tail light module, which then had to be totally removed before you could get to the bulb! And of course every auto maker has their own proprietary bulbs! It's a plot, I say! [:@]

It definitely is... on the luxury lines. Buy a Ford or a Chevy and it's not that way.

Cadillac, BMW, and Mercedes have always been that way.

Not always - years ago a tail lamp bulb burned out on my 2001 BMW 330i. The dash display showed the location of the bad bulb and the owners handbook showed how to reach the bulb from inside the trunk/boot (an access panel that unscrewed with a coin). The operation took ten minutes and a $2 bulb from the local Pep Boys.

This was a major contrast with replacing a front daytime running lamp on my 1998 Camaro - the bulb wasn't expensive but it took an hour to figure out a way to get a socket wrench to the back of the light from underneath the front air dam, with the help of a handheld mirror and a flashlight.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: bomccarthy

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy



Sometimes I think the designs must be a way of making sure the dealerships can charge huge amounts for labour and thus keep their loyalty to Mercedes (or whatever manufacturer). I remember having a tail light go out (can't remember which car model though), and the only non-destructive way to change it required removal of body panels to expose the back of the tail light module, which then had to be totally removed before you could get to the bulb! And of course every auto maker has their own proprietary bulbs! It's a plot, I say! [:@]

It definitely is... on the luxury lines. Buy a Ford or a Chevy and it's not that way.

Cadillac, BMW, and Mercedes have always been that way.

Not always - years ago a tail lamp bulb burned out on my 2001 BMW 330i. The dash display showed the location of the bad bulb and the owners handbook showed how to reach the bulb from inside the trunk/boot (an access panel that unscrewed with a coin). The operation took ten minutes and a $2 bulb from the local Pep Boys.

This was a major contrast with replacing a front daytime running lamp on my 1998 Camaro - the bulb wasn't expensive but it took an hour to figure out a way to get a socket wrench to the back of the light from underneath the front air dam, with the help of a handheld mirror and a flashlight.

Well that's a nice handbook [;)].

These days, I use the internet. My cars are 1997 and 2001. There isn't a nice handbook for them, but Google usually has something.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: bomccarthy

Not always - years ago a tail lamp bulb burned out on my 2001 BMW 330i. The dash display showed the location of the bad bulb and the owners handbook showed how to reach the bulb from inside the trunk/boot (an access panel that unscrewed with a coin). The operation took ten minutes and a $2 bulb from the local Pep Boys.

This was a major contrast with replacing a front daytime running lamp on my 1998 Camaro - the bulb wasn't expensive but it took an hour to figure out a way to get a socket wrench to the back of the light from underneath the front air dam, with the help of a handheld mirror and a flashlight.

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Well that's a nice handbook [;)].

These days, I use the internet. My cars are 1997 and 2001. There isn't a nice handbook for them, but Google usually has something.

My old car was a 1992 Buick I bought new and I bought the shop manual for it. Came in handy a number of times.

My SO had a 96 Subaru Outback that is still a daily driver for her ex (she gave it to him when she got a 2013 Subaru). It was a very reliable car, but she upgraded the headlights and there was something with the new headlight kit that it ate headlights. I had to replace at least one a year. One side wasn't too bad, but the other side required taking apart a bunch of stuff in the engine compartment. I always groaned when she said the light on that side was out and put off replacing it as long as I could.

The irony is she's the gear head of the family. Her father owned a couple of car dealerships and she grew up fixing cars with her father and working in his dealership as a teen and I never cared much about them. But somehow I'm the one who ends up having to do car maintenance things.

She still tells the story sometimes of our second "date". She was in Portland at the time and I was in Seattle. She came up to see me and we went to the store to pick up supplies for dinner. On the way back I noticed the alternator light was on with my car. She asked how old the battery was and I had to think about it. It was the original battery and the car was 6 1/2 years old at that point. So after we ate we went down to the auto parts store and got a new battery. I couldn't get my hand down into the gap to reach the retaining nut, but she could. She reached down there, felt the nut and told me what size socket she needed. She was right. She got the retaining nut off and we were able to swap the battery.

And it turned out it wasn't the battery, it was the alternator. The original battery outlived the original alternator.

I had that car 24 years and it still had the original starter as well as a number of other things when I sold it. Except for a bit of carpet wear, the interior looked brand new. My mechanic wanted to buy it because it was in such good condition, but unfortunately he died about a year before I replaced the car. I did find an enthusiast who wanted to replace a totaled car so I think it's in good hands.

I've sometimes said I have good carma. Whenever a car has decided to have something happen, it's always been in a convenient place and I've never had anything catastrophic happen. Knock on wood.

Bill

[bomccarthy]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Well that's a nice handbook [;)].

These days, I use the internet. My cars are 1997 and 2001. There isn't a nice handbook for them, but Google usually has something.

My old car was a 1992 Buick I bought new and I bought the shop manual for it. Came in handy a number of times.

My SO had a 96 Subaru Outback that is still a daily driver for her ex (she gave it to him when she got a 2013 Subaru). It was a very reliable car, but she upgraded the headlights and there was something with the new headlight kit that it ate headlights. I had to replace at least one a year. One side wasn't too bad, but the other side required taking apart a bunch of stuff in the engine compartment. I always groaned when she said the light on that side was out and put off replacing it as long as I could.

The irony is she's the gear head of the family. Her father owned a couple of car dealerships and she grew up fixing cars with her father and working in his dealership as a teen and I never cared much about them. But somehow I'm the one who ends up having to do car maintenance things.

She still tells the story sometimes of our second "date". She was in Portland at the time and I was in Seattle. She came up to see me and we went to the store to pick up supplies for dinner. On the way back I noticed the alternator light was on with my car. She asked how old the battery was and I had to think about it. It was the original battery and the car was 6 1/2 years old at that point. So after we ate we went down to the auto parts store and got a new battery. I couldn't get my hand down into the gap to reach the retaining nut, but she could. She reached down there, felt the nut and told me what size socket she needed. She was right. She got the retaining nut off and we were able to swap the battery.

And it turned out it wasn't the battery, it was the alternator. The original battery outlived the original alternator.

I had that car 24 years and it still had the original starter as well as a number of other things when I sold it. Except for a bit of carpet wear, the interior looked brand new. My mechanic wanted to buy it because it was in such good condition, but unfortunately he died about a year before I replaced the car. I did find an enthusiast who wanted to replace a totaled car so I think it's in good hands.

I've sometimes said I have good carma. Whenever a car has decided to have something happen, it's always been in a convenient place and I've never had anything catastrophic happen. Knock on wood.

Bill

I stopped doing "major" work on my cars back in the mid-90s. The OBD-II systems in cars after 1997 (I think) essentially required software diagnoses for engines and the newer systems even use software checks for brake jobs, etc. A battery replacement in my 2009 328i requires that the new battery be initialized with the car's computer, or else the alternator might overcharge the new battery (there have been a few cases of battery explosions). With run-flat tires, I don't even have a spare, so no more side-of-the-road tire changes. I believe my 2005 Z-4 was the last BMW with an engine oil dipstick - BMW is afraid of overly cautious owners overfilling the sump and then coming in to the dealer with a damaged engine during the free scheduled maintenance period.

On the plus side, cars nowadays are much more reliable (for the most part) than what we drove in the 70s and 80s. Plus, they're faster and they handle better ....

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: bomccarthy

I stopped doing "major" work on my cars back in the mid-90s. The OBD-II systems in cars after 1997 (I think) essentially required software diagnoses for engines and the newer systems even use software checks for brake jobs, etc. A battery replacement in my 2009 328i requires that the new battery be initialized with the car's computer, or else the alternator might overcharge the new battery (there have been a few cases of battery explosions). With run-flat tires, I don't even have a spare, so no more side-of-the-road tire changes. I believe my 2005 Z-4 was the last BMW with an engine oil dipstick - BMW is afraid of overly cautious owners overfilling the sump and then coming in to the dealer with a damaged engine during the free scheduled maintenance period.

On the plus side, cars nowadays are much more reliable (for the most part) than what we drove in the 70s and 80s. Plus, they're faster and they handle better ....

My new car doesn't have a dip stick either. It also doesn't have an engine to put oil into.

The new car doesn't have run flats, but doesn't have a spare either. I did get one of those emergency tire repair kits and stashed it in the car. I've thought about getting a temporary spare to take on trips, but I haven't pursued it. From what I've read a lot of new cars don't have spares these days. My SO thought that was nuts, but she bought from one of the few car makers that still put spares in all their cars: Subaru.

I don't really like working on cars and my rule of thumb was to never do anything to the car that had the potential to take it out of service for more than a day. I did fix the bumper on my old car after a fender bender accident (more like broken plastic). The outer bumper just had a crack in it that I fixed by epoxying a flattened soda can on the bottom side. The inner bumper was more severely damaged and had to be replaced. We both spent an afternoon cursing like sailors because to remove the bolts, the socket wrench could only turn a very tiny bit. We had two sockets so both of us could attack a bolt, but it took a very long time. I seem to recall having to reseat the wrench on the bolt after every micro turn. It wasn't difficult, just painful after a while.

Most of the other things I've done are replacing a speaker, replacing the trunk release solenoid, replacing a door switch, and other things like that. The shop manual was great for telling me ahead of time where the fasteners were and how to get them off.

Even for things like oil changes I took it somewhere. My ex-brother-in-law showed me how to change the oil and I did it once on the car I had at the time, but after that I was too lazy to get all mucky changing oil. I always kept a few quarts of oil around in case a car needed oil between oil changes and my Buick usually needed about half a quart between changes, my SO's Subarus are worse at burning/leaking oil. She usually needs 1 - 1 1/2 quarts between oil changes. Both her Subarus are like that and it's a fairly steady loss. It's never gotten worse.

Bill

[BBfanboy]

Car manufacturers have every reason to NOT put a spare tire in new cars. Those that do not acquire one and get a flat out in the sticks will be obliged to pay a huge price for a repair service to visit them, or drive on the rim and destroy it - which will require buying a new, overpriced rim from the manufacturer.

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Car manufacturers have every reason to NOT put a spare tire in new cars. Those that do not acquire one and get a flat out in the sticks will be obliged to pay a huge price for a repair service to visit them, or drive on the rim and destroy it - which will require buying a new, overpriced rim from the manufacturer.

Now that so many cars have alloy wheels instead of steel wheels with hub caps, you are pretty much locked into buying a rim from the manufacturer if you want one that matches. Also don't get me started on the fad with low profile tires. True they can improve performance a little bit in some situations, but for overall ride comfort and rim protection, I'd much rather have more rubber and less rim. With my new car 19" rims were the smallest available. I would have taken 17" if they were offered, but it appears the brake discs are big enough that about an 18" would be the smallest rim you could put on there.

Woops, I guess I did get started...

Bill

[Lord_Calidor]

I came here looking for Japanese plane research. Now I know how to change the oil on an old Mercedes, light bulbs on BMW and Subaru, and a rear tire on a Pontiac.
The wonders of life!

[bomccarthy]

ORIGINAL: wdolson

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Car manufacturers have every reason to NOT put a spare tire in new cars. Those that do not acquire one and get a flat out in the sticks will be obliged to pay a huge price for a repair service to visit them, or drive on the rim and destroy it - which will require buying a new, overpriced rim from the manufacturer.

Now that so many cars have alloy wheels instead of steel wheels with hub caps, you are pretty much locked into buying a rim from the manufacturer if you want one that matches. Also don't get me started on the fad with low profile tires. True they can improve performance a little bit in some situations, but for overall ride comfort and rim protection, I'd much rather have more rubber and less rim. With my new car 19" rims were the smallest available. I would have taken 17" if they were offered, but it appears the brake discs are big enough that about an 18" would be the smallest rim you could put on there.

Woops, I guess I did get started...

Bill

Low profile tires actually improve cornering a lot. They're probably the main reason why a modern street car can run rings around a 1960s-era production-based race car on a road course. The problem is that manufacturers have gone a little extreme on some models - I don't think that anyone really needs a tire with an aspect ratio of 40 or less on the street (50 would likely satisfy most of us who enjoy spirited canyon driving).

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: Lord_Calidor

I came here looking for Japanese plane research. Now I know how to change the oil on an old Mercedes, light bulbs on BMW and Subaru, and a rear tire on a Pontiac.
The wonders of life!

Topic drift happens. It's much worse on another forum I've belonged to since the 1990s.

Bill

[wdolson]

ORIGINAL: bomccarthy

Low profile tires actually improve cornering a lot. They're probably the main reason why a modern street car can run rings around a 1960s-era production-based race car on a road course. The problem is that manufacturers have gone a little extreme on some models - I don't think that anyone really needs a tire with an aspect ratio of 40 or less on the street (50 would likely satisfy most of us who enjoy spirited canyon driving).

My new car has 45 aspect ratio tires and my old car came with P235/70R15s.

I would prefer at least a 50. I rarely worried about curb rash or potholes with my old car. If the wheels contacted the curb, it would always be rubber meeting the curb unless it was unusually high.

Cars today handle a lot better than cars of old in large part because of traction control systems and such. A modern car and a 1960s car with the same tires and about the same weight, the modern car would probably be able to hold the curves much better because of the modern suspension and electronics. The tires contribute to better handling, people who got the 21 inch wheels for my model of car say that it corners better than with the 19s, but they also only get 15,000 miles out of a set of tires.

Anyway, probably should get back on topic, or split this off into an OT thread.

Anymore discussion on Japanese A/C research?

Bill