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Chinese researchers are confident of making technological breakthroughs over the next four years in developing high resolution imaging that can see car-sized objects on the earth from high orbit

Folding mirrors? I don't see how else you get something with that resolution to fit in a rocket fairing. Reminds me of NASA's JWIST and the story after Hubble was for every one the astronomers got looking up, the spies got three looking down.

Also worth noting that optics resolving 2.5 meters at 36000 kilometers are a nice step on the way to space-based ASAT--and maybe someday ABM--laser.

Yeah, either folding mirrors (there is a research paper on that)

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Or something akin to the Sino-Hubble that they will launch to orbit later this year.

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It's embarrassing that China has taken our two LCS designs (maybe it's a stretch to consider the Type 054A as similar to the Freedom-class LCS design) and made them actually relevant to maritime warfare.
Well, 054 series is based on French Lafayette, earlier than LCS project. However, US shipbuilding does have a very potential designe, the Legend-class cutter.

It's for USCG, but the hull itself have a great resemblance of a modern frigate, and could be a great platform if militarized.

Speaking of the speed of the Chinese Trimaran Frigate for export, it stated only 35kts on top speed, which is slower than the LCS-2's flank (50kts). It is indeed bigger and only powered by diesel engines to have the sub-standard speed, unlike both LCS-1 and 2 are powered with gas turbines. The intended design is a combat-capable, task-group dedicated frontliner rather than as an utility combat platform, that require huge speed for chasing subs, speedboats as well as the rapid deployment at hostile shoreline.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china ... SKBN161029

China finishing South China Sea buildings that could house missiles - U.S. officials

"Building the concrete structures with retractable roofs on Subi, Mischief and Fiery Cross reefs, part of the Spratly Islands chain where China already has built military-length airstrips, could be considered a military escalation, the U.S. officials said in recent days, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"It is not like the Chinese to build anything in the South China Sea just to build it, and these structures resemble others that house SAM batteries, so the logical conclusion is that's what they are for," said a U.S. intelligence official, referring to surface-to-air missiles."
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"It is not like the Chinese to build anything in the South China Sea just to build it, and these structures resemble others that house SAM batteries, so the logical conclusion is that's what they are for," said a U.S. intelligence official, referring to surface-to-air missiles."
What is the point? Even for hiding missiles, why not using underground silos instead?
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What is the point? Even for hiding missiles, why not using underground silos instead?

Cost? Time? Weather Proof/salt water corrosion? Geology? Maybe one or all 4.

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Yeah not much to those atolls and you get a good storm they'll flood.

I wouldn't want to be a marine stationed there. Digging in wouldn't even help as the terrain is pretty helpless to protect from nature never mind a guided weapon.

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I guess this analysis brought by CIMSEC may be of interest...
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I wouldn't want to be a marine stationed there.

With the pace of technology, I wonder if the SAMs could be ever be remotely controlled?

A2AD from afar ... it's coming. And scary based on the low costs involved.

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Like I said many times, it could be a ruse.

It just don't make sense for hiding SAM inside a building, for stationary point and area defenses, mounting on building externally have more flexibility to redeploy and reload than inside of it. And the island itself isn't too small for mobilization.

As for the troops garrison, they have reasons to be here. Not just for guarding missiles, but also for sea control, as they take part-time with coast guard operations.
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ruse

Yes, the essence of maneuver warfare and geopolitics. When a move is played on a "chess board" between strong players that appears incongruent is causes hesitation and expenditures of time and energy on less fruitful areas of the "board". This board we are discussing is not purely military and involves public opinion and budgets.China and Russia are becoming masters at this since they have come to understand how even minor actions of their part sends massive ripples through the chambers of DC. Papers fly. Jobs on the line.

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Use fire to burn garbage, green organizations will throw lots of complains.

But for a difficult situation to remove garbages, especially on high-volt cable poles, then this "killing machine" will help people a lot:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/no-yo ... zon-video/
led in the power lines, Chinese media reports. The state-owned Xiangyang Electrical Power Company in Hubei Province tested an aerial drone equipped with a flamethrower to address the growing problem.

The fire burns the trash on the line without incinerating the line itself, which are aluminium conductor steel-reinforced cables. The drone can obliterate garbage in a matter of seconds.

When trash builds up on the power lines, outages occur. In the past, workers would have to climb up the poles to remove the trash, but it was not always effective, as the garbage was sometimes out of reach. While a unmanned aerial vehicle spraying fire sounds dangerous, it’s probably safer than trying to pull trash off the line 30 feet off the ground.

Other methods for trash removal that China is looking into are high-powered laser cannons.

Edit: the laser cleaning method is indeed real and earlier than fire drone, sadly there is no video. Nothing comparable to a military strength of laser weapon to burn drones or missiles, but still good enough for plastic wastes:

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US is back in the hypersonics game after a couple of years of dragging its feet. We finally got a rough deployment timetable too.

https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/do ... ucom-pacom
The Defense Department, which two years ago expressed doubts over near-term prospects for fielding an affordable hypersonic strike weapon, has promised U.S. commanders in Europe and the Pacific an initial hypersonic strike capability between fiscal years 2018 and 2022.

Goes on to say that there will be a flight experiment (FE-1) of some type of prompt strike system later this year. IIRC this is referencing a US Navy effort to build a hypersonic glider (probably an AHW modification) for sea-based deployment on a Block 5 Virginia-class submarine.
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ORIGINAL: Dysta

Like I said many times, it could be a ruse.

It just don't make sense for hiding SAM inside a building, for stationary point and area defenses, mounting on building externally have more flexibility to redeploy and reload than inside of it. And the island itself isn't too small for mobilization.

As for the troops garrison, they have reasons to be here. Not just for guarding missiles, but also for sea control, as they take part-time with coast guard operations.

I disagree it not making sense to house missiles in a building. Given the potential for nations to overfly the islands with prying electronic eyes, strong tropical storms and overall surrounded by very corrosive salt water spray and rain, it stands to reason that it's far cheaper to set up a shelter with a sliding roof to protect their investment.

Then, there's always the "deniability" of the militarization of the islands themselves, not to mention the legality of even building them in the first place.
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I disagree it not making sense to house missiles in a building. Given the potential for nations to overfly the islands with prying electronic eyes, strong tropical storms and overall surrounded by very corrosive salt water spray and rain, it stands to reason that it's far cheaper to set up a shelter with a sliding roof to protect their investment.

Then, there's always the "deniability" of the militarization of the islands themselves, not to mention the legality of even building them in the first place.
If that is for launching missiles without the external sensor suite for guidance (especially ASBM), the openable roof could make sense. SAM cannot operate without any targeting, and babysitting with a warship nearby isn't economical either.

Unless, if they have mentioned the weather resistant radome on the island to act as SAM's searcher and FCR, that would be possible. My only question is the methodology of missile stockpiling: be it more concealable and make smaller targets with silos, or using hangers for mobile SAM like S-300/400 and HQ-9 to come out when deployment is needed.

Legal or not, I am afraid it have to be ultimately solved with under the strength of global orders. The Cold War is over, but nukes is still talks louder than pens, and so does the missiles and carriers. It only matter with the interest, hence the post-Tribunal Philippine with her new president. One thing for sure is, both US and China did their intention to make SCS very popular, and they both have reason to expand military actions.
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Better pictures showing the J-20 carrying 4x2400 litre drop tanks. Seems to be new built ones as well, with transit loadouts for delivery to the FTTC

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If these are the exact fuel tank it uses, sum up with the internal capacity, J-20 will have more than 20 liters-max of fuel up in the air.

With 2400L jet fuel and a metal casing, one fuel tank will be nearly 2 tons heavy, so 4 will be 8 tons-max respectively. Including internally loaded 12 100KG SDB, 2 WVR and gun ammunitions, the estimated loadout weight will be barely 9.4 tons. That is 1 tons short of H-6, with smaller size and stealthier. But that is 4.6 tons short of Su-34, and only 1.4 tons more than Su-30 with same series of AL-31.

It's no doubt the F-22 is still outperform 3 of them with smaller airframe (thus lower air resistance) and more powerful engines. Imagine the monstrosity if FB-22 is developed compare to the J-20 for bomb runs.

EDIT: damnit, it's liter not kg, fuel isn't water.
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http://www.defensenews.com/articles/ind ... k-aircraft
Indian Air Force rejects British Advanced Hawk aircraft
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi, February 23, 2017 (Photo Credit: BAE Systems)
NEW DELHI — The Indian Air Force says it will not make an acquisition request for the British Advanced Hawk trainer aircraft.

The decision comes after the Ministry of Defence asked the service not request the aircraft following allegations that British company Rolls-Royce bribed officials of India's state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited between 2005 and 2009 to secure orders for engines to power the British Hawk 132 advanced jet trainers meant for the Indian Air Force.

"We will not make any formal request for the Advanced Hawk to HAL, and the program will be officially shelved. This is because the MoD does not want [to] give additional orders for engines to tainted Rolls-Royce for the Advanced Hawk program," a senior IAF official said. "IAF has no intentions to place any order for the Advanced Hawk trainers."

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Boeing unveils Eagle 2040C (F-15C upgrades)video......Can you say 16 AMRAAMS!

http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/boeing-unveils-commercial-for-eagle-2040c

This next link actually describes what some of the upgrades will be.
https://tacairnet.com/2016/05/23/boeings-new-2040c-eagle-commercial-is-incredibly-badass/
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Boeing unveils Eagle 2040C (F-15C upgrades)video......Can you say 16 AMRAAMS!

http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/boeing-unveils-commercial-for-eagle-2040c
It's quite sad that isn't based on F-15SE for more stealthiness, in case of the stealthy weapon pods will be developed in the future.

So what's the next? Install 2 F-119s to its aft?

EDIT: My god, what am I reading here... I thought the patriotic comments with boasts and memes are only I could see on 4chan. It made commenters on Foxtrot Alpha and Strategy Page more conservative in comparison.
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We are the mighty is like buzzfeed for the military. Don't expect high caliber responses there.
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ORIGINAL: jtoatoktoe

Boeing unveils Eagle 2040C (F-15C upgrades)video......Can you say 16 AMRAAMS!

http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/boeing-unveils-commercial-for-eagle-2040c
It's quite sad that isn't based on F-15SE for more stealthiness, in case of the stealthy weapon pods will be developed in the future.

So what's the next? Install 2 F-119s to its aft?

EDIT: My god, what am I reading here... I thought the patriotic comments with boasts and memes are only I could see on 4chan. It made commenters on Foxtrot Alpha and Strategy Page more conservative in comparison.

Yeah it sucks when some nationalist comes in and babbles non stop regardless of the story.
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