TM, RA, and BTS Re-Write

[John 3rd]

Aircraft Engines are re-tooled to better reflect the industry changes.

Got to thinking about old airframes. The US Fleet is expanded in the Treaty Years with CVL King's Mountain and CLVs Charlotte and Jacksonville. It only makes sense the there would be some extra Buffalos, Helldivers, Vindicators, and Devastators. Didn't add a bunch but the Allied player now has a bit of a pool to play with.

The Japanese gain CVL Ryukaku and CAVs Kushiro and Tokachi. Did the same for Claudes, Jeans, and Mabels.

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Have thought about this issue a bunch the last couple of days and have made some changes/additions. The spirit of what I have chosen to do complies with the vision of the Mod in that Japan ramps up its Naval Side preparing for war from 1939-Pearl Harbor. These changes COST supply, fuel, oil, and resources. What Michael has discovered within the Mod perfectly demonstrates the success of this vision.

Japanese players start the war in slightly better shape, will grow in 1942, and peak in 1943 but they are behind the 8-Ball IMMEDIATELY with the economy. Lots of expansions, changes, and new directions cost bunches and must be taken into account.

My analysis on supply supports your statements. Some day, I hope, I will get a chance to play this.[;)]

[cardas]

All of this depends on how you want the economy to function. The example I gave in my post was with +2000 supply/day in mind which could then easily be scaled to the desired supply increase.

Anyway putting LI in the conquered areas as you've done now is one easy way to do it. It means you won't have to ship quite as much stuff back and forth. Supply generation in the DEI can obviously help the Allied defenders as well in the early game. I'd be a bit more generous with the resources additions though (some of which you could even put in Australia, as you said). Shipping resources from far away is rather expensive past time anyway so I'd think adding more in the far-off DEI or Australia won't suddenly make Japan an economic juggernaut.

Remember that HI is halved every time it's captured. 55 HI isn't much after you've halved it (+ damage) when you capture it.

Michael suggests a net reduction of 325 HI and 400 LI in the Home Islands. Here is what I did:

Fukuoka -100 HI and LI
Hiroshima -100 HI and LI
Kobe -100 HI and -200 LI
Muroran -25 HI

That's a rather large decrease in supply generation compared to your suggested additions in the outlying areas?

[DOCUP]

John: Would you recommend the same changes to the BTS mod. My mod is based off the BTS mod. So I'm just wondering.

[John 3rd]

The issues we have here should also apply to BTS. Your call but I would wager similar problems will plague your Japanese players.

cardas: I agree with you. Might add a bit of the LI back in. Nice note of the HI getting halved.

Pax: Your opinions are always most welcome. Thanks for those thoughts.


Think we're more or less done. Will probably Post the newest version on the web site tomorrow. Want to do a final Naval Additions Posting just so new players have half a clue as to what is where and WHY!

[John 3rd]

Did the final work this evening.

I dialed back some of the garrisons in India to make that a little less stressful for the Allied player.

Made sure the upgrade path for Japanese Air HQ/Fleet/Divisions/Flotilla was correct. Somehow they had gotten fairly screwed up.

Fixed an error on the AMCs that start the game. Hadn't given them their air search capability.

Moved the new (old) Japanese I-Boats from their location in the Eastern DEI. Since they are long-range, older boats, I took Michael's advice and moved them towards the West Coast.


Will be Posting the finished product tomorrow...

[John 3rd]

New files have been uploaded to the website. Please take a look.

[DOCUP]

John: How much of a big deal would it be if I didn't reduce the HI and LI in the Home Islands?

Whats up with the upgrade path for the Japanese air HQ/Div/flotilla's.

[ny59giants]

The problem with LI and HI in the Home Islands is the shortage of resources. The prior version of BTS Lite had Japan short about 26k in resources per day. Its now down to about 10k. These numbers are 'at start' values for all her territory.

[DOCUP]

ny59giants: So the extra HI and LI will drain the few resources to fast. Am I correct in this guess? My mod is based off of BTS, so I am trying to make sure that I am not short changing the Japanese side.

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: DOCUP

John: How much of a big deal would it be if I didn't reduce the HI and LI in the Home Islands?

Whats up with the upgrade path for the Japanese air HQ/Div/flotilla's.

We have a 43 upgrade for Air Flotilla, Air Fleet, Air Division and Air Army. It isn't too much but helps some.

[cardas]

Okay, seem you got most of the small errors although you forgot about the Dutch corrections I'd posted about earlier.

The following deals mostly with the Dutch ships. These are fixes that are a bit more subjective. Although the original values are clearly wrong, the issue is more as to what exactly you put there instead.


Grimsby RAN-II (167): Upgrade Delay should be 21. Should Upgrade to 168 (As mentioned by US87891)

Admiralen Batch II (230): Weapon slot 1 and 2 (12 cm main guns) has Num: 2, Turrets: 2. Should be Num: 2, Turrets: 1.

SM GM (250, 289, 290): Cruise Speed: 8, Endurance: 3000, Fuel: 180, Maneuver: 43

Med GM (251, 291, 292): Cruise Speed: 8, Endurance: 3500, Fuel: 235, Maneuver: 40

A Class (252): Cruise Speed: 8 Endurance: 1200, Maneuver: 67

Merbaboe (253): Cruise Speed: 8, Fuel: 20, maneuver: 71

Alor (254): Cruise Speed: 8, Fuel: 40, Endurance: 1320, Maneuver: 71

Soemenep (255): Max Speed: 10, Cruise speed: 8, Fuel: 45, Endurance: 1320, Maneuver: 53

Djember (256): Cruise Speed: 8, Fuel: 45, Endurance: 1440, Maneuver: 70

Ardjoeno (257): Max Speed: 10, Cruise Speed: 8, Fuel: 15, Maneuver: 71

Arend (258): Max Speed: 18, Cruise Speed: 12, Fuel: 275, Endurance: 4000, Maneuver: 51

Admiralty MMS (809): Should upgrade to 809

Juyusen YO (2136): Should upgrade to 2136 (probably, inherited from DBB)

Adzuma (2149, 2150): Should upgrade to 2150



The following are device fixes for the Dutch 15 cm gun that I've also mentioned earlier and they should seriously be done. At the moment the Dutch has 15 cm guns which fires a heavier round with a higher sectional density at a higher velocity than the the Japanese 14 cm gun yet gets less penetration. In fact they also have less penetration than the 5.25 inch (~13.3 cm) gun used by e.g. Dido. Actually, nevermind that, with the values as they are right now they only get 1 mm more penetration than the US 5in/54 gun!

I can't find any sources for penetration as such but I have made a reasonable guess.

15cm/50 No. 11 (1630):
Range: 28
Accuracy: 50
Penetration: 128
Anti-armor: 64

15cm/50 No. 10 (1631):
Range: 28
Accuracy: 50
Penetration: 128
Anti-armor: 64

15cm/50 No. 9 (1632):
Range: 28
Accuracy: 50
Penetration: 128
Anti-armor: 64

15cm/50 No. 6 (1641):
Range: 21
Penetration: 128
Anti-armor: 64

[cardas]

King George V (005): Hm, I said it was an error with 004 upgrading to 005 instantly, however the ship class should definitely not have been deleted though! Anson, Duke of York and Howe uses it when they arrive in 1945.
I also said the upgrade it was an issue inherited from stock, but I double checked and that wasn't the case. Now I'm unsure if I was drunk and cross-eyed when I thought it upgraded from 004 instantly to 005 in BTSL or if the error was actually present. Sorry about that if I had seen something that wasn't there.

[ny59giants]

Nice to see so many FP groups able to upgrade to Rufes and later Rex in latest BTS Lite version (most of the -2 FP groups on CA/BBs do so). After re-sizing, I should have about 500 additional fighters. But more importantly, lots of trained IJN fighter pilots in the future. [:)]
Thanks John [&o]

[Admiral DadMan]

Would there be any interest in enabling the US "pre-treaty" BBs and BCs to have the ability to undergo the "King Board" 5"/51 & 5"/25 AA suite re-builds to twin 5"/38 immediately after Dec 7?

Here is a sample of the methodology:

Nevada Class:
-Starts scenario in standard pre-war configuration.
-Dec 41 can begin 4 month "King Board" AA modernization via conversion at a 200+ level Repair Shipyard.
-Continues as “Oklahoma” class if King Board AA is not chosen, with modest AA upgrades.

In the Stock scenarios, Nevada has to wait until Dec 42 until she can get the King Board upgrade, and that upgrade takes 7 months. In reading about the upgrade on undamaged ships, Maryland took 4 months (May 45 - August 45) at Puget Sound, Seattle to complete work, which is what I propose as a time-frame.

I'm currently testing the mechanism on Focus Pacific, and it works.

Thoughts?

[Cavalry Corp]

Nay news as to when RA and all these are sort of finalised and finished so we can consider what to start next?

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: Admiral DadMan

Would there be any interest in enabling the US "pre-treaty" BBs and BCs to have the ability to undergo the "King Board" 5"/51 & 5"/25 AA suite re-builds to twin 5"/38 immediately after Dec 7?

Here is a sample of the methodology:

Nevada Class:
-Starts scenario in standard pre-war configuration.
-Dec 41 can begin 4 month "King Board" AA modernization via conversion at a 200+ level Repair Shipyard.
-Continues as “Oklahoma” class if King Board AA is not chosen, with modest AA upgrades.

In the Stock scenarios, Nevada has to wait until Dec 42 until she can get the King Board upgrade, and that upgrade takes 7 months. In reading about the upgrade on undamaged ships, Maryland took 4 months (May 45 - August 45) at Puget Sound, Seattle to complete work, which is what I propose as a time-frame.

I'm currently testing the mechanism on Focus Pacific, and it works.

Thoughts?

Hey Sir!

The Fleet has already begun the upgrade when Dec 7th occurs. We have the New Mexico-Class at Pearl Harbor when the war starts. Several of the 'Big 5' are on the West already doing their upgrade.

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: cavalry

Nay news as to when RA and all these are sort of finalised and finished so we can consider what to start next?

Hey Cavalry.

I have between the Storms out. RA and Treaty have not had a serious makeover. The new database used for BTS should enable me to do these changes to the other Mods in an easier/quicker manner but I simply haven't had time to grab that bull by the horns.

Recommend Between the Storms. With all the changes on both sides it should be a TON OF FUN!

[Admiral DadMan]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ORIGINAL: Admiral DadMan

Would there be any interest in enabling the US "pre-treaty" BBs and BCs to have the ability to undergo the "King Board" 5"/51 & 5"/25 AA suite re-builds to twin 5"/38 immediately after Dec 7?

Here is a sample of the methodology:

Nevada Class:
-Starts scenario in standard pre-war configuration.
-Dec 41 can begin 4 month "King Board" AA modernization via conversion at a 200+ level Repair Shipyard.
-Continues as “Oklahoma” class if King Board AA is not chosen, with modest AA upgrades.

In the Stock scenarios, Nevada has to wait until Dec 42 until she can get the King Board upgrade, and that upgrade takes 7 months. In reading about the upgrade on undamaged ships, Maryland took 4 months (May 45 - August 45) at Puget Sound, Seattle to complete work, which is what I propose as a time-frame.

I'm currently testing the mechanism on Focus Pacific, and it works.

Thoughts?

Hey Sir!

The Fleet has already begun the upgrade when Dec 7th occurs. We have the New Mexico-Class at Pearl Harbor when the war starts. Several of the 'Big 5' are on the West already doing their upgrade.

I must be going blind. Totally missed that.

I'm guessing that the Tennessee, Nevada, and Pennsylvania classes are later in the year because they have to wait their turn?

Fascinating what I've been reading about what was proposed for the "Big 5" + New Mexicos to get them up to fast battleship status (28kts/15kts).

Any thought about giving your Constitution class a King Board upgrade?

[DOCUP]

AdmiralDadMan: What were the changes for the Big5, New Mexicos and the Constitution class?