Supply question

[TeaLeaf]

I must be overlooking something critical after a long day of playing (cooking brains),
But I just cannot see how the CW and French units in Italy/Sardinia are in supply, and the US units are not. This counts for some other allied units around the med as well, but let's focus on those in Italy.

The key information is a cut allied convoyline in the arabian sea.
Now the allied units in the med have a bunch of secondary supply sources (including the USA, which has liberated Ethiopia), but no primary ones.

If I understand the supply rules correctly, only ONE portion of a supply path can be overseas, so I understand why the US units in Italy are OOS: they can reach secondary supply sources only, after which their one portion of sea areas is used up.
The same has to count for the CW, right? But the CW units in Italy trace to Tangier and be in supply because of it. Tangier traces to the UK, but that is tracing overseas supply TWICE (for any given CW unit in Italy).

Or does Tangier not count for tracing overland???
If that is the case, shouldn't the US units also be in supply (they cannot use Tangier as a source, but they can use the port to trace through).

[TeaLeaf]

And a savegame if need be

[davidachamberlain]

ORIGINAL: TeaLeaf

I must be overlooking something critical after a long day of playing (cooking brains),
But I just cannot see how the CW and French units in Italy/Sardinia are in supply, and the US units are not. This counts for some other allied units around the med as well, but let's focus on those in Italy.

The key information is a cut allied convoyline in the arabian sea.
Now the allied units in the med have a bunch of secondary supply sources (including the USA, which has liberated Ethiopia), but no primary ones.

If I understand the supply rules correctly, only ONE portion of a supply path can be overseas, so I understand why the US units in Italy are OOS: they can reach secondary supply sources only, after which their one portion of sea areas is used up.
The same has to count for the CW, right? But the CW units in Italy trace to Tangier and be in supply because of it. Tangier traces to the UK, but that is tracing overseas supply TWICE (for any given CW unit in Italy).

Or does Tangier not count for tracing overland???
If that is the case, shouldn't the US units also be in supply (they cannot use Tangier as a source, but they can use the port to trace through).

I must be missing something. When I look at your file, I see that you have convoys from CW (aka friendly) or US in the Med and all the way to US. Normally, I would expect that would allow all units on the shore or within range of a HQ with shore or rail access to a port in those sea areas to be in supply.

It is a mystery to me.

Dave

[TeaLeaf]

Thanks for looking into it, Dave!

Alas, but what you must have missed, is that the allies have no more CONV or TRS in the Arabian Sea (that Sea Area west of India).
And because Germany controls Gibraltar, the Allied CONVs cannot go all the way to a USA/CW/FRENCH city. That is, if the Supply path is traced overseas only once.

So USA Units can go overseas to a secondary supply source (say, Montgomery), which in turn cannot reach a primary supply source on land. If it were allowed for a unit to trace overseas, then overland and then overseas again, then the USA could be in supply.

But the CW faces the same problem, is what I think to see. So I don't get how it is possible for them to be in supply!
The CW units in Italy have a lot of secondary supply sources they can reach (Tangier, if the game got that right). But in order to do that, they must go overseas and because a supply path may go overseas only once, that secondary supply source cannot go overseas again, in order to reach a primary.

In other words, I think the CW units should also be OOS. Or perhaps I am missing some crucial piece of information [:(].

[Dabrion]

If the oversea supply path is traced IT to Tangiers then again Tangiers to UK, that is wrong for taking two oversea supply paths. Why it is valid for UK and not for US is just adding a mystery element to the strangery. I see it is still interesting to play MWiF years after release *several persons do air quotes here and want their money back*.. perhaps we can expect a working version before Trump nukes Canada over Softwood lumber tariffs! *tick tock tick tock* ..

p.s.: personally gave up MWiF getting any aspect of the game right. Yes that's right .. zero percent compliance with RAW5 or whatever ancient version it is trying to emulate..

[Jagdtiger14]

perhaps we can expect a working version before Trump nukes Canada over Softwood lumber tariffs! *tick tock tick tock* ..

2.3.4 is already a working version. I've played through 1941 with only a couple bugs...that were fixed. The later versions seem to be worse however for some reasons (Netplay?).

Since Trump wont be nuking Canada, the question answers itself, along with the question: will Mutti Merkel ever come to her senses?

[Centuur]

RAW:

Any part of a basic or railway supply path can be traced overseas. You
may only trace supply overseas once for each unit attempting to trace
supply, regardless of how many secondary supply sources are used
between the tracing unit and the primary supply source.

Conclusion: all Allied units should be out of supply in the Med, except for a couple of TERR.

[ACMW]

There is one - albeit rather odd - circumstance where the above described behavior would be correct. I think. If Tunisia, Algeria or Morocco was the Free French home country and the US has taken back a .French territory but had refused to liberate it. Then Tunis, Algiers or Rabat (whichever it was) would be a primary supply source for Free France and (I think) CMW, but not US. Or am I wrong?

[Centuur]

ORIGINAL: ACMW

There is one - albeit rather odd - circumstance where the above described behavior would be correct. I think. If Tunisia, Algeria or Morocco was the Free French home country and the US has taken back a .French territory but had refused to liberate it. Then Tunis, Algiers or Rabat (whichever it was) would be a primary supply source for Free France and (I think) CMW, but not US. Or am I wrong?

No, you are not wrong at all here. Good thinking indeed.
That's why I checked which country was the Free French home country before confirming this bug. It's Senegal...