SO NOT OFF THREAD- BYWATER- The man who invented the Pacific War

[SheperdN7]

The Great Pacific War is a pretty good book, read it as part of my buildup to WWII course. A lot of Bywater's theories and "predictions" did come true and were very insightful for the time but some were complete bogus like Japanese biological weapon balloons (granted even some of that is true). A lot of people throughout the U.S. government and military knew of Bywater but most thought he was just a looney that was filled full of Kool-Aid and permanently wearing a tin foil hat. Very interesting thread, certainly will be keeping tabs on this, I also recommend the book in question.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: SheperdN7

The Great Pacific War is a pretty good book, read it as part of my buildup to WWII course. A lot of Bywater's theories and "predictions" did come true and were very insightful for the time but some were complete bogus like Japanese biological weapon balloons (granted even some of that is true). A lot of people throughout the U.S. government and military knew of Bywater but most thought he was just a looney that was filled full of Kool-Aid and permanently wearing a tin foil hat. Very interesting thread, certainly will be keeping tabs on this, I also recommend the book in question.

I'm not sure where the balloon idea came from, but Bywater writes of the use of Gas bombs and shells, this was only 7 years after the end of WW1. Bywater was one of the more reasonable "Alt History" writers, many wrote books and gave either power amazing abilities, West Coast Invasions etc which were really pie in the sky ideas. It would be interesting to know where you read these opinions of Bywater, its always nice to broaden ones knowledge.
In addition, Bywater had a large following within the US & japanese military and the various governments, of course not all agreed but was respected for his writings. The book makes a number of references of a USN officer "who ran the Pacific in WW2" making contact and supporting his works.

[AW1Steve]

I don't recall ever reading anything about "ballons" , but then again I haven't been to find EVERYTHING he wrote. He couldn't have to been too "crackers" as he was employed by several of the worlds biggest newspapers , and highly respected by the RN and commonwealth navies. [&:]

[RFalvo69]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... et-stream/

[LowCommand]

Note that Bywater was a Brit spy:

https://www.amazon.com/Strange-Intellig ... or+bywater

I haven't read this yet, for a long time it was unavailable.

Note also that Bywater and Yamato had a private conversation during the 1934 naval conference. I also remember another meeting between them, but I can't find a reference to it right now. I also remember that one of his co-authors akso Brit spy tried to fly out of a Nip police station window just before the war. That's one of the reasons that his unexpected death is suspicious.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... et-stream/

And how is Bywater linked to this???

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... et-stream/

And how is Bywater linked to this???

See post 21, just above yours, about balloons and Bywater.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: JeffK

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... et-stream/

And how is Bywater linked to this???

And how is Bywater linked to this????
See post 21, just above yours, about balloons and Bywater.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: JeffK



And how is Bywater linked to this???

And how is Bywater linked to this????
See post 21, just above yours, about balloons and Bywater.

Here is the relevant line: "A lot of Bywater's theories and "predictions" did come true and were very insightful for the time but some were complete bogus like Japanese biological weapon balloons (granted even some of that is true)."

I read that as saying Bywater stated the Japanese might use balloons to deliver biological weapons to North America, but that did not come to pass. However, I know that the Japanese used balloons to send incendiary bombs to NA to try to start forest fires. Therefore, Bywater's prognostication about using balloons was at least partly true.
A video about sending balloons in the jet stream seems to fit with the topic. What exactly is your objection to the video link?

[JeffroK]

Who says Bywater stated that the japanese intended to use balloons?

http://www.americanheritage.com/content ... rikes-1941

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Who says Bywater stated that the japanese intended to use balloons?

http://www.americanheritage.com/content ... rikes-1941

SheperdN7 said it - I had no reason to doubt it. Take it up with him.

[JeffroK]

And you repeat it, see how Fake News works.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

And you repeat it, see how Fake News works.

Posters on this forum make many statements, most of which are true and some of which are honest mistakes. Deliberate false statements are almost unheard of.
I should not be challenged for referring to something I read only a few posts earlier. If it bothered you, the correct thing to do is say something like "I do not believe Bywater came up with any ideas about balloons", and let the discussion sort it out.

Instead you question me as though you had not seen the OP by SheperdN7, causing me to point to it several times. You did not state the OP was incorrect. You did not confirm you had seen it. You kept challenging me to confirm something I was not the source for. I am not a fact checker by trade and the point about who came up with the balloon idea is of little import, so why waste my time with your challenges?