Allied Resources

[T Rav]

I'm sure this has been answered many times, but search does't seem to pick it up so... I'm in Feb '42 as allies. I've collected a lot of resources mainly from DEI to deny them to Japan. A perfectly fine goal. However, there doesn't seem like much I can do with them. Any suggestions?

T Rav

[Yaab]

Dump them in Australia. Sometimes supply production from LI/HI can fail on a given day because resources are not available in sufficient numbers. You can also haul surplus resources to Australia from Tasmania and Noumea as well.

[T Rav]

Thanks Yaab. I'd been off-loading in Darwin with small ships in order to quick turn before the plunder. Now I think I'll move them to Sydney and the East coast with larger ships, as available...

Best Regards,
T Rav

[Yaab]

The resources will not migrate from Darwin to the Sydney industrial area. Ship resources to Perth instead - the railroad there will push the resources to Sydney.

[wdolson]

The safer route is to ship them to Perth. Any city on the rail network will do and Darwin-Perth is going to have fewer submarines than Darwin to any of the Queensland cities.

Bill

[Yaab]

Ehm, Queensland soon to become Emperorland.

[Revthought]

There is a lot of oil in the DEI, therefore I consider it my first goal to move fuel/oil out of the DEI to Australia while I still can. Where possible (in games where I do not have HRs to the contrary), this includes using regular merchant shipping--xAKs. This is my number one priority for the DEI. That's not to say I don't run a ship or two of resources as well; however, denying your Japanese opponent fuel hurts him more than denying him resources, and there is a lot of HI in Australia that can use that fuel/oil.

As others have suggested here, I run everything I can to Perth. Perth is the better choice because, not only will the rail lines distribute towards Sydney, but also because Darwin is not safe. Nothing seems more frustrating than dumping fuel/oil/resources in Darwin to deny the Japanese, only to have the Japanese take Darwin before you can move it to safer parts of the continent.

And, yeah, I also move resources from New Caledonia to Australia. In fact, Australia is the only Allied controlled place that will put those resources to good use.

[Jorge_Stanbury]

Allies are flooded in supply and fuel... moving resources is not the best use for Allied shipping; just keep pumping supply/ fuel from east-coast/ off map into the places that need it

Japan gets most of its resource needs from safer places, so denying resources is not a big deal for a Japanese player... denying oil in the other hand is a lot more interesting

that said, I have just one small TF moving resources from Hilo to Pearl Harbor so that Hawaii industry runs at some capacity

[Revthought]

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Allies are flooded in supply and fuel... moving resources is not the best use for Allied shipping; just keep pumping supply/ fuel from east-coast/ off map into the places that need it

Japan gets most of its resource needs from safer places, so denying resources is not a big deal for a Japanese player... denying oil in the other hand is a lot more interesting

that said, I have just one small TF moving resources from Hilo to Pearl Harbor so that Hawaii industry runs at some capacity

I agree with Jorge, though the other thing I will say about the oil/fuel in the DEI is that it is much closer to Australia than other sources of Allied fuel; that is, at least while the Allies own the DEI.

[Macclan5]

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Allies are flooded in supply and fuel... moving resources is not the best use for Allied shipping; just keep pumping supply/ fuel from east-coast/ off map into the places that need it

Japan gets most of its resource needs from safer places, so denying resources is not a big deal for a Japanese player... denying oil in the other hand is a lot more interesting

that said, I have just one small TF moving resources from Hilo to Pearl Harbor so that Hawaii industry runs at some capacity

+1

In the early days i.e. Late 1941 I too try to extract "oil only" from DEI to dump in Australia by way of Perth - then on to Capetown or Columbo to preserve the ships.

However depending upon your opponent (AI verses a human) and the mod/scenario you are playing it may be worth it to try to dump a combination of oil / resources into Australia. The conversion formula of oil and resources produces fuel and supply in stock game; well it can 'smooth out the bumps in delivery from Capetown/USA'

Oil - Abdaban >> Karachi >> Madras (storage spinner) >> Perth

You may be able to successfully set up small oil tanker runs from Madras to Perth. Small Convoys - say 2 tankers and a KV for escort. You can accumulate oil in Madras quiet easily with the port expanded and spinners on.

Resources - with a few low endurance xAKs

Tasmania >> Melbourne ~ (keep some ASW assets on patrol)
Noumea >> Sydney
Hilo >> Pearl Harbor
Victoria >> Seattle

[Yaab]

Also you can ship resources on

Coos Bay >> Peral Harbor route

if find Hilo-PH route too mundane and boring.

[Revthought]

Mcclan,

Now granted, I am not the best at setting up logistics--though I tend to get the supply and fuel where it's going--so I am curious about what you are saying.

Do you actually move oil from Abdaban to Karachi? I only move fuel, because it seems that enough of it is produced on off map bases that moving oil to forward refineries does not really seem worth the effort. In addition, I do not really like Karachi as a place to off load, because it is really easy for the Japanese player to interdict with subs. Other locations are better suited to setting up way points to approach ports that can fool Japanese submarine deployment.

I also wonder why you don't just sail straight from Abdaban to Perth. Personally, I use high endurance tankers to run directly from Abdaban to Perth, and then I use smaller/shorter range tankers to go from Abdaban > Bombay, Abdaban > Colombo, Colombo > Perth.

Of course, the later works only assuming that you are playing in a game where your opponent has not focused heavily on India and invaded Ceylon/Sri Lanka.

All that said, I am constantly looking for ways to improve my play, especially, when it comes to setting up more efficient convoys.

[Macclan5]

ORIGINAL: Revthought

Do you actually move oil from Abdaban to Karachi?

All that said, I am constantly looking for ways to improve my play, especially, when it comes to setting up more efficient convoys.

Well I can hardly be called any sort of expert - I am a novice here myself - but yes this is exactly what I did. [8D]

There are a number of low endurance low capacity Tankers you can potentially save from the DEI Phillipines. Those with 8800 endurance or less specifically:

I moved a couple of those to Abdaban and hauled oil to Karachi as singleton task forces. Little or no chance for Sub sinking and they have enough endurance to be able to manage the journey and return.

I built up Madras port.

I dialed up oil / resource storage in Madras ~ later in 1942 (mid 1942) once I had hauled - pumped - sufficient fuel and supplies into India. Bombay can get to 1 Million pretty quickly.

I used longer endurance Tankers with a KV escort - I then set up a Tanker TF : 1 KV + 2 "better tankers with endurance 12000 hailing oil. The delay in loading was minimized because so much accumulated in Madras.

I routed them using a waypoint out in the lonely south Indian ocean some 10 hexes away from any potential IJN Air recon; set "return using the same path on the TF..

From Mid 42 through 1943 I must have hauled 100,000 + oil to Australia. By the end of 43 I had so much fuel/supplies/oil/resources in Australia - I stopped.

In stock scenarios oil produces both fuel and supply IIRC... and not instantly (??!!). I think Sydney and Melbourne both produce at a rate of 6400...

Of course I also pumped in resources into Australia from Tasmania and Noumea again with equally "low endurance lower value xAKs" on routes where I was confident they did not need escorts i.e. active ASW.

In short it is my impression that in Stock game : oil in Australia tends to smooth out the fuel supply peaks and valley's where loading times and transit times ~ come in peaks and valleys from Capetown and America.

By staging it so I was able to minimize the number of escorts required and the smaller task forces slipped the notice of the IJN.

As my own house rule - I escort every supply task force with the exception of those noted in this thread (i.e. Hilo >> Pearl etc) even those moving off map...to reflect German raiders etc.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Revthought

In fact, Australia is the only Allied controlled place that will put those resources to good use.

Actually not true. There are a few locations where Allied industry is starved for resources.

One is Pearl Harbor. The resources it needs can be found at Hilo.

I set up a one or two ship small, short legged xAKL CS TF from Hilo to Pearl to supply the need.

[Yaab]

Early war, you can always dump resources in Luzon, if you plan to hold Manila. The LI there can put them to good use.

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Macclan5

ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury

Allies are flooded in supply and fuel... moving resources is not the best use for Allied shipping; just keep pumping supply/ fuel from east-coast/ off map into the places that need it

Japan gets most of its resource needs from safer places, so denying resources is not a big deal for a Japanese player... denying oil in the other hand is a lot more interesting

that said, I have just one small TF moving resources from Hilo to Pearl Harbor so that Hawaii industry runs at some capacity

+1

In the early days i.e. Late 1941 I too try to extract "oil only" from DEI to dump in Australia by way of Perth - then on to Capetown or Columbo to preserve the ships.

However depending upon your opponent (AI verses a human) and the mod/scenario you are playing it may be worth it to try to dump a combination of oil / resources into Australia. The conversion formula of oil and resources produces fuel and supply in stock game; well it can 'smooth out the bumps in delivery from Capetown/USA'

Oil - Abdaban >> Karachi >> Madras (storage spinner) >> Perth

You may be able to successfully set up small oil tanker runs from Madras to Perth. Small Convoys - say 2 tankers and a KV for escort. You can accumulate oil in Madras quiet easily with the port expanded and spinners on.

Resources - with a few low endurance xAKs

Tasmania >> Melbourne ~ (keep some ASW assets on patrol)
Noumea >> Sydney
Hilo >> Pearl Harbor
Victoria >> Seattle

There are also resources at Suva, so if you are hauling supply from NZ to Suva, it can be worthwhile to haul resources back to NZ.

And there are more resources on the South Island of NZ than needed, so a small cargo TF operating between Christchurch and Wellington is worthwhile. Most of those xAKLs with 4000 nm range and 1000 capacity are not much use elsewhere anyway. There is a trade-off in fuel used, so only do this convoy if NZ has generous fuel stocks.

[rustysi]

supplies into India. Bombay can get to 1 Million pretty quickly.

[:D]I hate AFB's. In mid '42 as Japan, I'm struggling to maintain 2 million supply empire wide.[8|]

[Disco Duck]

[:D]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

supplies into India. Bombay can get to 1 Million pretty quickly.

[:D]I hate AFB's. In mid '42 as Japan, I'm struggling to maintain 2 million supply empire wide.[8|]

[Revthought]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter
Actually not true. There are a few locations where Allied industry is starved for resources.

One is Pearl Harbor. The resources it needs can be found at Hilo.

I set up a one or two ship small, short legged xAKL CS TF from Hilo to Pearl to supply the need.

You are absolutely correct. I run resources from Hilo to Oahu. I chose not to Pearl Harbor in my "good use" comment because it not worth trying to get resources from the DEI to Hawaii, and [s]not[/s] barely worth it to consider shipping resources to Hawaii from places like New Caledonia.

Pearl Harbor is so close to the infinite supply of the Continental United States that the industry in Hawaii only becomes meaningful in a real sense if you are in a game where the Japanese player tries for Hawaii/the West Coast. Australia, on the other hand, can be pretty damn far supply lines wise during the early war, and adding resources there from relatively close resource producing islands can be somewhat helpful in boosting Australian supply.

I hate AFB's. In mid '42 as Japan, I'm struggling to maintain 2 million supply empire wide.[8|]

I wouldn't call myself an AFB--unless we are talking being a fan of the real life Allies. [;)]

I would love to actually give the Japanese a try sometime; however, learning this game as the Allies is nearly overwhelming--I've been playing for 2 years and still learn something new all the time. Trying to learn how to manage the Japanese economy and research scares the proverbial shit out of me. [X(]

So in all honesty, I [&o] to Japanese players. You guys are epic!

[Alpha77]

ORIGINAL: rustysi

supplies into India. Bombay can get to 1 Million pretty quickly.

[:D]I hate AFB's. In mid '42 as Japan, I'm struggling to maintain 2 million supply empire wide.[8|]

Alone in SanFran Allies can have more than 7Mio supply in July42 already, proof: