Youtube AAR: Like sheep to wolves (if sheep had aircraft carriers that is)

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I am here for your amusement

Well your narration is certainly colorful.[:D]

OK, I took a few notes.

Why are my A/C performing so poorly? Well you have no morale, training or experience. In addition your leaders are probably poor at best. His airpower is at its peak. Every thing he owns is top notch, at least for now. That's it in a nutshell.

TF's using top speed. Only in an emergency, which I guess you could say is what you have. Just remember ships will accumulate damage PDQ in this mode, and you may not have enough fuel to reach your destination as at full speed its burned pretty quick.

That was not the KB you found near Mindanao, but simply a CVTF with one CVL. Technically the KB, Kido Butai, means something along the lines of 'main force'. What you found couldn't even be termed as a 'mini KB'.[:D]

A ship classified as an HDML stands for 'harbor defense motor launch'. It really doesn't even belong at sea unless its running from something.[:D]

Cats, or PBY's are really a useful asset and there never seem to be enough of them. Don't throw them away trying to stop something you can't anyway. Withdraw them and train them to search the seas. Remember you won't be able to attack that which you can't find.

The good thing about ground attacks that is not visible to you is that it can increase your opponents' fatigue and disruption. As you say it can also slow him down, both through fatigue/disruption and the fact that it can force a mode change in his march from 'move' to 'combat' which is generally slower.

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but those sub 'hits' you noticed around the HI are probably FOW.

Torps. The reason your 'string bags' (short for those flying creates the Brits call torp bombers) are not using torps is that they are not being supplied with them and you have to do that. Find an HQ or unit at their base (Singers) and supply it with torps. There are two ways to do this. One on the unit screen you'll see a button for torps if the unit can supply them. Click it and add 20 torps at a time until you reach a limit you want, this will cost some supply. Alternately you can click on the units TO&E button and set a number of torps you want the unit to maintain at all times. This will take a turn and again cost some supply.

Your opponents' use of night attacks against you in the PI tells me one of two things. Either he doesn't fully understand the power of the Japanese airforce, or he's moved his Zero's from Formosa. With his Zeros' in Formosa he can hit you with virtual impunity. Using his Zero's with drop tanks he could sweep and then escort his bombers and you'd have very little chance of stopping him. So let him keep his night attacks.

One last thing and I really want to hit this one hard. Ease up on the Brits and their tea, you know how sensitive they are about that. [:D]
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"Well you have no morale, training or experience."
Welcome to Allies in WITPAE, 1941. Have "fun".

OK, it was Ryujo, right? The one with Rochembau epic story.... I think the KB is NW and E side of Philippines. I think he will methodically use it to crush all opposition in DEI as he drives his enemies before him, and enjoys hearing the lamentation of the women...

I don't see him raiding into AUS or India before DEI is pacified...

I think I will use the Cats a bit more, and then withdraw them. I already moved the B17's Ambon > Darwin > West Coast AUS where they belong.

I just need some deedees in west coast USA for ASW and escort work and I'll be happy.

Seriously thinking of sortieing CV Sara from USA to Coral Sea to at least pretend to delay his expansion. I want to contest Port Moresby - hell, I want to hold it. Darwin, PM, Suva, those will be my fortresses (time dependent / opponent dependent / no guarantees [:D] )

Great tip on the torps - I will check it out next session, but Vilde's did great work with just bombs anyway.... am afraid with torps airplanes go for naval warships (and die to flak) while with bombs (especially small ones) they seem to go for transports, which is what I want.


Edit: I will ease up on the tea drinkers. Will switch to making fun of hamburger boys then... I kid, I kid [:D]

We Muricans are not fat, it's a nasty stereotype. Boy, that all you can eat Chinese buffet sound grand about now, think I'll go for 5 plates plus dessert [8D]
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Darwin, PM, Suva, those will be my fortresses (time dependent / opponent dependent / no guarantees )

Darwin will be difficult to hold because supplies will not readily 'flow' to it. PM could be ify too. At any rate it will depend on how bad your opponent wants them. I doubt either can withstand a determined attack, but good luck. Hey, you have to make an attempt to draw a line somewhere sooner or later.
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That's the spirit.
The... Center.... WILL.... H O L D ! ! !

Or not.

I got the turn in before I could get torps into HQ happen, but they did OK anyway.

Dec 11 shoot the bull session

Dec 11 combat rep: Mersing and Hong Kong air power?


Edit: Incidentally, my opponent is curious what everyone is thinking about his strategy and play so far?
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OK, not much to add. You were looking at some ground unit and wondering why it would not move. It was difficult for me to see as you were out of focus, but it looked like the unit was in rest mode. Must be in combat or move mode.

As for Malaya. I think you're SOL there, as no matter which way you move you're stuck. Its obvious you can't get to Singers, but I don't think you could escape to the north either. Although it looks like north is your only move.
Incidentally, my opponent is curious what everyone is thinking about his strategy and play so far?

Is he doing an AAR?
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Malaya is SOL. Poor Brits... Trying the north option. Why do I feel like a rat made to run through a maze by an evil scientist?

In other news, remember those Motor torpedo boats which we withdrew from Singapore to that French protectorate city on south west China coast (boy, that's a mouthful). Edit: Kwangochowan.

Well, they caught something. A huge... unescorted.... possibly invasion force.
Night time knife fight between charging torpedo boats zipping in and launching their torps and desperately defending Japanese armed merchants...

South West China torpedo boat night action
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Very nice performance by those MTBs - 5 hits for about 10 boats is excellent!
The real prize is not the three ships sunk but the troops that went down with them .... AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN SHOW IT. On the other two days of video I watched, same thing - you damage or sink Japanese ships but stop scrolling before you show the troop losses. Please do that in future so we can see how big the victory was!
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"Is he doing an AAR?"

Nope, you have to judge him by my videos and reports.

"Very nice performance by those MTBs - 5 hits for about 10 boats is excellent!"

I am still bitching, they could have done better. Kvetch kvetch kvetch.

"The real prize is not the three ships sunk but the troops that went down with them .... AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN SHOW IT. On the other two days of video I watched, same thing - you damage or sink Japanese ships but stop scrolling before you show the troop losses. Please do that in future so we can see how big the victory was!"

Well, I am new to this... and ummm... there were troops on those ships?

Looked over the combatrep.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Kwangchowan at 72,61, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAKL Banshu Maru #18
xAK Kimishima Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Yamagata Maru
xAK Eiko Maru #2
xAK Konzan Maru
xAK Kuritake Maru
xAK Koyu Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Zuiko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Hokuhi Maru
xAK Somedono Maru
xAKL Sunten Maru
xAKL Muroran Maru
xAKL Konei Maru
xAKL Shingetsu Maru
xAKL Junpo Maru

Allied Ships
MTB 7, Shell hits 1
MTB 8
MTB 9, Shell hits 1, on fire
MTB 10
MTB 11
MTB 12
MTB 26
MTB 27

Poor visibility due to Rain with 28% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 28% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
xAK Yamagata Maru collides with xAK Kimishima Maru at 72 , 61
xAK Zuiko Maru sunk by MTB 26 at 2,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Koyu Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 12 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 8 engages xAK Kimishima Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 11 engages xAK Koyu Maru at 2,000 yards
xAK Koyu Maru sunk by MTB 9 at 2,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Kimishima Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
xAK Kuritake Maru collides with xAKL Junpo Maru at 72 , 61
MTB 27 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Konzan Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 10 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 3,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Konzan Maru at 3,000 yards
MTB 10 engages xAK Yamagata Maru at 3,000 yards
MTB 8 engages xAKL Junpo Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
MTB 7 engages xAK Somedono Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 26 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 8 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 7 engages xAK Eiko Maru #2 at 2,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAKL Hokuhi Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 11 engages xAK Eiko Maru #2 at 2,000 yards
MTB 11 engages xAK Yamagata Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 10 engages xAKL Konei Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 9 engages xAK Yamagata Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 9 engages xAK Yamagata Maru at 2,000 yards
MTB 10 engages xAKL Hokuhi Maru at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAK Kuritake Maru at 4,000 yards
MTB 11 engages xAK Yamagata Maru at 4,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAKL Sunten Maru at 4,000 yards
MTB 10 engages xAK Yamagata Maru at 4,000 yards
MTB 8 engages xAK Konzan Maru at 4,000 yards
MTB 27 engages xAKL Hokuhi Maru at 4,000 yards
Task forces break off...
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Our intelligence service has fresh scoop.
Agent codename: Steam-Chat [:D]
Message follows:

The Japanese have so far 19 MIA 12 WIA 45 KIA pilots. STOP
The enemy has accelerated building of 2 CV class ships. One CV will enter action soon. STOP
Zero production is 2.33 daily, which gives roughly 70 planes per month. STOP

Important: the veracity of this information is not confirmed, use as is!

new info: Enemy has accelerated N1K1 fighter plane. Suggest play IL2 1945 to understand capabilities of this new weapon system.

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Nice work with the MTB's.

Not impressed with his use of float or torp planes bombing your ground troops. These are better used in their traditional roles, either in training or searching/naval attack. Anyway...
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I stand corrected - coulda sworn I saw the top of a line in the bottom of the combat report window that said Japanese ground losses. I know I did on one or both of the reports for the 10th and 11th.
So I will amend my request to: "Please scroll down just enough for us to see troop losses or that there were no troops losses!" [:)]
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It is very possible that it happened in a previous CombatRep video, I ain't gonna lie.
So far nothing exciting is happening on Dec 14th, 1941..... except an enemy light carrier task force is steaming right into DEI, heading straight for Ambon where we have large ships picking up troops and trying to evacuate them to Darwin.
We place Dutch air assets from Soerabaja into bases all around the enemy TF, setting a trap in motion...

Planning:
Lets ambush the enemy light carrier

CombatRep:
Who gets to fly first, wins!

Edit: I have to stop saying the cheesy "What's going on errybody".
Edit2: Also, it's a draw if the weather prevents everyone from flying. SPOILER :D
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The enemy moves fast, and he invaded Tulagi.
On the cheap.
With zero opposition.

The Big Lull

Guadalcanal is now in play

Am miffed.
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Enemy does what he wants, per the usual.
Tulagi falls.
A task forces zips by Kavieng and goes straight to Rabaul, from which I withdrew a squadron of Hudson bombers.
I withdrew them to Port Moresby, got as much as I could (without too much overstacking) into Moresby, got B17 from east coast of AUS to bomb Lae... and nada. They refuse to fly. They ALL refused to fly, air assets in Moresby and AUS coast.

There are only 200 odd Japanese troops landed on Lae, all I wanted was some target practice for my bomber boys.

In China there is movement - I notice it in the Dec 17th planning video. We have big stacks of doom - a horde of Japanese landed with zero interference from me 1 hex away from Manila (ouch) and in China tens of thousands of troops pushed me out of a base in Central China. I cannot stand to such power.

Dec 16 planning session

and Frustration
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Uncle Timo I heard sirens in the background of one of your online AARs and I thought he must be in Chicago and in the next video AAR you said you were in Chicago.
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Hahaha, well, it's a city who's mayor is the son of a terrorist, lower your expectations.

I hear constantly that Chicago is a great tourist destination; I heartily recommend the beautiful, scenic Buckingham fountain close to the Lake;

here's a news story from few days ago.
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While I evacuate Dutch forces which number 50-300 troops, the enemy uses operational units of estimated 40,000 troops.
Pretty sure he is going to Manila first, so that's actually good for me - when Manila falls, I think Clark won't be taken over so that the Manila garrison will be able to retreat to Clark, and then all of them to Bataan. Bataan am making larger airfield and fortifications and is very well defended by fighters who are holding their own.

Planning Session Dec 17, 1941
Doom Stacks of Japanese

Per the usual, I screw up something. In the combat rep of Dec 17, 1941, a heavy cruiser gets torpedoed in Suva (and I was happy that the whole convoy got to Suva safely).

I talked to my opponent on Steam chat, and he admitted there are at least 3 japanese subs around Suva (and he slipped that Noumea is also under observation/sub patrol). I have a few CL + lots of DD force going to Ozland, and I detach 2 long (-ish) range American deedees to join Le Triomphant and.... an AMC piece of crap to make a makeshift ASW TF at Suva.

The rest of the American light cruisers and deedees go to Ozland and then will be parcelled out as ASW/convoy escorts to PM, Suva, Pego Pego (or whatever it's called) etc.

I am making a convoy with AMC escort from.... Kiwiland, New Zealand, into Noumea, with supplies. Lets see if it works.
Once we get all those yankee deedees into Oz, we will be able to run proper convoys to all these places from AUS.

One American CV is loitering close to Wake, but not close enough to be torpedoed by already spotted enemy sub. Got paranoid and am moving it a bit farther away from Wake. Whatever happens, I CANNOT lose a CV.

We have Balboa (Panama) reinforcements of American deedees going to LA; they will escort Sara and a bunch of AK's with supplies and fuel to Noumea, Suva etc... and then refuel in Oz.


Got lots of ships going from India to Aden and from Oz and DEI to Aden/Cape Town. It's too early to organize a big convoy into Oz with fuel; war just started.... Settle down, Timo, not everything at once!

A big ship of ours torpedoed, in port!

Talked to my opponent - he told me that if a ship is not disbanded or docked, then it is NOT in port.... my bad. CA Pensacola is not sunk, but damage is substantial. It's out of the war at this point.


Edit: Oh yeah I need help. What do I do with S-type Murican subs at Pearl (they got there from USA's coast)?

They have too short a range to be useful. I cannot set them to patrol Japan's main island seas - not enough range. When I set their homeport to Soerabaja, they turn red i.e. warning about not enough fuel.

What do?
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Edit: Oh yeah I need help. What do I do with S-type Murican subs at Pearl (they got there from USA's coast)?

They have too short a range to be useful. I cannot set them to patrol Japan's main island seas - not enough range. When I set their homeport to Soerabaja, they turn red i.e. warning about not enough fuel.

What do?


As in the other thread, I use them to defend my California ports and to defend my forward bases. They are good for gathering intel and if I remember right - subs aid in picking up downed pilots. So I like to keep them around the forward bases and combat areas.






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But isn't that a bit of a waste?
These are the only weapon systems which work!
Everything else is obsolete, low morale, not working, but these guys are hard to detect and their torps work (unlike other American subs and ships and planes).

Thanks for response.

I am thinking of using a sub tender ship somewhere....
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But isn't that a bit of a waste?


In what way? Are you hunting only transports?






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