One thing that annoys me

[Hortlund]

Is the number of German players who just fade away if they havent taken Moscow by the start of the blizzard. Or if they feel their Barbarossa isnt going according to plan.

Its really frustrating to notice how the turn frequency suddenly starts dropping, and eventually just stop alltogether.

I mean &%#¤"

[Hortlund]

I think I have played something around 20 games as the soviets now. I lost 3 to Birger (he is that good), had to drop one myself because of real life issues. But ALL the other games have either gone into hibernation around December 41, like going from one or several turns per day to perhaps one turn per week, or been dropped by a dissappearing German player.

Then, mysteriously you can see that same player looking for new oponents.

[charlie0311]

Yeah, real common. Should be a thread for schooling new axis guys re how to blitzkrieg.

PZJ@ Maybe you should think some more about what is ok for game set up.

[Sardaukar]

To be fair, some actually may have real time concerns to quit, to balance things. But it's not fair to quit if you don't succeed first time...[8D]

[sanderp02]

I hope you were not thinking about me when you wrote that post. Turns will keep coming, and if i feel i need to give up i WILL let you know...

[Telemecus]

Also the departing player is missing out on most of what the game has to offer. How to conduct a blizzard defence, what to do in 1942, fighting with really big armies, and how to make the end fighting retreat are just as interesting if different kinds of games. Once you have paid for the game why not try all its aspects? The Barbarossa blitzkrieg is fun, but there are only so many times you can play just that.

[Commanderski]

Opponents disappearing from PBEM games has been going on as long as there has been PBEM games. In the early days the common excuse was 'computer problems" which just happened to be a coincidence when things weren't going their way.

The mechanics of this game gives players on both sides the capability to correct most mistakes they make (unless like you lose an Army Group). All you have to do is to be able to take the time to look at the big picture of the situation and be able to change objectives, strategies...etc.

If certain players continue to drop out then there should be no reason a list of their names be posted so other players would not waste their time.

Also playing against the AI can be very interesting. It never drops out and is always patiently waiting.

[Telemecus]

ORIGINAL: Commanderski
If certain players continue to drop out then there should be no reason a list of their names be posted so other players would not waste their time.

Except that they can just get another user name, forum rules not withstanding. A list of those who do complete games might be more useful - name and praise rather than name and shame! [:)] It is something worth being stickied.

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: sanderp02

I hope you were not thinking about me when you wrote that post. Turns will keep coming, and if i feel i need to give up i WILL let you know...

No, absolutely not, you are a good and honest opponent

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Also the departing player is missing out on most of what the game has to offer. How to conduct a blizzard defence, what to do in 1942, fighting with really big armies, and how to make the end fighting retreat are just as interesting if different kinds of games. Once you have paid for the game why not try all its aspects? The Barbarossa blitzkrieg is fun, but there are only so many times you can play just that.

I agree completely! Who would not want to see what 1943 brings? Who would not want to defend Berlin in a desperate struggle into 1945. I just dont get the ones who just leave.

As for the Soviets, 1941 is a nightmare to get through. You are litterary hanging on by your fingernails waiting for that mud, and then waiting for that blizzard. Its not really fun in 1941 as the soviets, there are only degrees of pain. But you keep struggling, because you wait for that blizzard, and you try to counter that 1942 summer offensive. But to just have the other guy quit because he is hurting during the mud and snow and blizzard? I mean come on.

[Searry]

I need someone to hold my hand with the Germans. People saying to have done only a few games or played against the AI are doing REALLY good against my Soviets.
I don't know if just because I literally started playing this game two weeks ago or I just suck as the Germans too. I really wanna learn and will play all my games, except the one I dropped against a more skilled player than I thought.
In two Soviet games I'm near losing Moscow soon and in the German game I just abandoned the drive for Moscow with the tanks as the Soviet divisions are just way too many even though I've destroyed 1.5 million Soviets.

For some reason these two German players are really good at moving their mobile divisions around even though I always have problems with them. Somehow they just punch through the line and do what they want and I do big damage control to just delay delay delay into the eternity.

I think the guides on these forums are really outdated and some people need to tell us newbies how to do things right.

[charlie0311]

Ok then, since I'm the one who shot off my big mouth, it's real big, now I have to deliver.

Should ??? only take about 4 or five turns to get the axis player going, errr, errr, well maybe.

@Searry, PM me and we get started.

ps I create monster players, fear and loathing, like the song.. hehe

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Searry

I need someone to hold my hand with the Germans. People saying to have done only a few games or played against the AI are doing REALLY good against my Soviets.
I don't know if just because I literally started playing this game two weeks ago or I just suck as the Germans too. I really wanna learn and will play all my games, except the one I dropped against a more skilled player than I thought.
In two Soviet games I'm near losing Moscow soon and in the German game I just abandoned the drive for Moscow with the tanks as the Soviet divisions are just way too many even though I've destroyed 1.5 million Soviets.

For some reason these two German players are really good at moving their mobile divisions around even though I always have problems with them. Somehow they just punch through the line and do what they want and I do big damage control to just delay delay delay into the eternity.

I think the guides on these forums are really outdated and some people need to tell us newbies how to do things right.

It's a v. hard game to master. I suspect you may be fighting too far forward and not sending enough from the south to the centre/north to give your defences the depth they need to prevent big pockets.

Current AARs are the best guide, though the game is continuing to evolve so what worked a year ago may not be possible now. Game balance is probably impossible to achieve for both v. experienced and inexperienced players. Tweaks to the game settings and/or HR may help. For example IMHO the game favours the soviets when inexperienced players meet, but the opposite occurs when the G player really knows his stuff.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Who would not want to see what 1943 brings? Who would not want to defend Berlin in a desperate struggle into 1945.

Almost everyone. In all the years I've played as R only Smokindave and 1 other (who's name escapes me atm [&:]) have held on that long. End of T2 is the earliest quitter I've had but at least he didn't waste much of my time and his AAR of our game must be the shortest ever [:D].
I now have the opposite problem. An opponent who won't quit even after I won our alt VC260 game...............

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

I think I have played something around 20 games as the soviets now. I lost 3 to Birger (he is that good), had to drop one myself because of real life issues. But ALL the other games have either gone into hibernation around December 41, like going from one or several turns per day to perhaps one turn per week, or been dropped by a dissappearing German player.

Then, mysteriously you can see that same player looking for new oponents.

So.... Where does our game fall into the category above? But that is not my point. I dropped our game because there was a "huge" discrepancy in our two skill levels. Maybe because you just returned to WiTE. But what really made up my mind to drop this game was when I received a PM from you stating you had no idea how to stop the Panzers. So instead of continuing the slaughter I felt it best to drop the game since it was so lopsided out of kindness to you. (Game turn 6 dropped)

So my question to everyone is when a game is so lopsided should the time be spent by one or both sides in continuing the endeavour so early in the game?

[No idea]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

ORIGINAL: Commanderski
If certain players continue to drop out then there should be no reason a list of their names be posted so other players would not waste their time.

Except that they can just get another user name, forum rules not withstanding. A list of those who do complete games might be more useful - name and praise rather than name and shame! [:)] It is something worth being stickied.

I like playing against the AI because it lets me play at my own pace, without feeling compelled to make my turn because the other players plays quickly.

On the other hand, the problem with playing against the AI is that it is terrible, awful. The only way to make things interesting is giving the AI big bonuses, especially if the AI plays the axis.

Themain problem is, imho, the AI has zero idea of how to make an ecirclement. Except for thevery first turn, which I think it is scripted to some extent, the AI just pushes, pushes and pushes. It is impossible to lose against the AI even if you try it.

[No idea]

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Also the departing player is missing out on most of what the game has to offer. How to conduct a blizzard defence, what to do in 1942, fighting with really big armies, and how to make the end fighting retreat are just as interesting if different kinds of games. Once you have paid for the game why not try all its aspects? The Barbarossa blitzkrieg is fun, but there are only so many times you can play just that.

I agree completely! Who would not want to see what 1943 brings? Who would not want to defend Berlin in a desperate struggle into 1945. I just dont get the ones who just leave.

As for the Soviets, 1941 is a nightmare to get through. You are litterary hanging on by your fingernails waiting for that mud, and then waiting for that blizzard. Its not really fun in 1941 as the soviets, there are only degrees of pain. But you keep struggling, because you wait for that blizzard, and you try to counter that 1942 summer offensive. But to just have the other guy quit because he is hurting during the mud and snow and blizzard? I mean come on.

I think the problem with some german players is that, once they have failed, and it is easy to make things wrong with Germany, they face that "Only degrees of pain" for the next four years. Even if you play well, but you havent won by 1942, it is just "degrees of pain" for a few years.

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

I think I have played something around 20 games as the soviets now. I lost 3 to Birger (he is that good), had to drop one myself because of real life issues. But ALL the other games have either gone into hibernation around December 41, like going from one or several turns per day to perhaps one turn per week, or been dropped by a dissappearing German player.

Then, mysteriously you can see that same player looking for new oponents.

So.... Where does our game fall into the category above? But that is not my point. I dropped our game because there was a "huge" discrepancy in our two skill levels. Maybe because you just returned to WiTE. But what really made up my mind to drop this game was when I received a PM from you stating you had no idea how to stop the Panzers. So instead of continuing the slaughter I felt it best to drop the game since it was so lopsided out of kindness to you. (Game turn 6 dropped)

So my question to everyone is when a game is so lopsided should the time be spent by one or both sides in continuing the endeavour so early in the game?

Well, to be honest I dont give much for the "Im too good for you so Im going to drop the game out of kindness"-attitude. If you are that good, it shouldnt be a problem to take say Moscow, Leningrad, Stalingrad and Kazan. That should make any further resistance pretty pointless and be a clear win.

In our game you were somewhere between Smolensk and Vyazma on turn 6, and then you just vanished. Now you're here saying you wanted to spare me the slaughter out of kindness. I think the decision to concede or not should be up to the player against the ropes, but apparently you feel differently.

As all soviet players know, stopping the German panzers in 41 and 42 is hellishly hard.

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: No idea

ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Also the departing player is missing out on most of what the game has to offer. How to conduct a blizzard defence, what to do in 1942, fighting with really big armies, and how to make the end fighting retreat are just as interesting if different kinds of games. Once you have paid for the game why not try all its aspects? The Barbarossa blitzkrieg is fun, but there are only so many times you can play just that.

I agree completely! Who would not want to see what 1943 brings? Who would not want to defend Berlin in a desperate struggle into 1945. I just dont get the ones who just leave.

As for the Soviets, 1941 is a nightmare to get through. You are litterary hanging on by your fingernails waiting for that mud, and then waiting for that blizzard. Its not really fun in 1941 as the soviets, there are only degrees of pain. But you keep struggling, because you wait for that blizzard, and you try to counter that 1942 summer offensive. But to just have the other guy quit because he is hurting during the mud and snow and blizzard? I mean come on.

I think the problem with some german players is that, once they have failed, and it is easy to make things wrong with Germany, they face that "Only degrees of pain" for the next four years. Even if you play well, but you havent won by 1942, it is just "degrees of pain" for a few years.

Well, that is what happened in real life after all...yes? It should be something you are aware of when starting a game about ww2

[charlie0311]

Axis players may counter-attack the advancing Reds in all of 43 and even in in winter 43/44.

Quite fun to see stacks of commie tank xxx set to rout.

Play the game a lot and discover the "what can" be type of stuff.

These forums, well, everybody knows.