The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
With all these genius tricks around here it is amazing anybody ever wins [:)]

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
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A counter-strike like this requires plenty of planning and logistics prep before it goes ahead. John is aggressive enough to try such a counter-stroke but I don't believe he would invest the time required to set up the ships, aircraft and supplies needed to support such an amphib operation in your LOC.
A few old timers will remember that in my WitP game against John III some 10 years ago, he invaded India en masse in 1944. I am absolutely certain he will not make a mistake like that, but I am quite certain that he's considered counterinvading in the Thailand region. I'm not saying he'll do it, but I had better be prepared; because I'm equally certain that an ounce of prevention is preferable to the pound of cure it will take to unravel things.
I don't think you always appreciate my counter-arguments, but here goes.
My point re the PPs to line up air units under like HQs is based on the fact that your game has entered the terminal phases. You have strategically beaten him; you're established in the PI, and Formosa is ready to tumble, in mid-1944. You're inside the balloon. Everything else on the map is a backwater.
You can turtle in Burma. You can turtle everywhere except China and Formosa. You have naval power such that supplies will always get to those two theaters. And supplies are all you need to strat bomb him to game ending auto-vic. Let him CAP-trap, and xAK hunt, and all the rest of the sniping. It just doesn't matter. You're on the threshold of tens of thousands of VPs. If he gets 70 in this turn or that turn, so what?
You might enjoy extending the game just because. You might like pushing pieces all over southeast Asia. But you don't have to.
Especially if his life situation is going to make turns spotty, I'd give him less workload each turn, and drive the game to completion. You can always start another if he has time. But you've done the work to set up the final push. And it isn't near Bangkok.
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I always read every post made in the AAR; I don't always agree with every post; I pay especial attention to posts from players who I know are clever or experienced or just plain sensible.
You, Moose, fall into the category of players to listen to.
But even the most knowledgeable players just don't have enough information to have a feel for all the little things that enter into my decisions. Lowpe, another player worth listening to carefully, recently demonstrated this. He tactfully replied to a post I made about steering Death Star clear of Manado to avoid the possibility of a CAP trap. He said: "That's what bombardment TFs are for" (or words to that effect.
What he didn't know is that all my combat TFs were out of ammo and that I couldn't afford a suppression mission. He probably thinks I didn't listen to him. I did, but his suggestion didn't apply under the peculiar circumstances.
Your suggestion is the same. I'm not ready yet to begin strategic bombing, so aligning bomber HQ isn't a priority yet. It will become the priority soon - as soon as I have airfields in proximity (I'm close, but not yet there). Burma is irrelevant now, but Indochina isn't. The Allied army moving north into China from Indochina will have a synergistic effect on what's going to play out in Formosa and in coastal China. If I can merge all of this into one front it's going to make my strategic bombing campaign far more effective. I won't give you all the reasons now, but trust me that spending PP on Indian divisions for Indochina now may directly help strategic bombing when it commences in earnest in about eight weeks.
You, Moose, fall into the category of players to listen to.
But even the most knowledgeable players just don't have enough information to have a feel for all the little things that enter into my decisions. Lowpe, another player worth listening to carefully, recently demonstrated this. He tactfully replied to a post I made about steering Death Star clear of Manado to avoid the possibility of a CAP trap. He said: "That's what bombardment TFs are for" (or words to that effect.
What he didn't know is that all my combat TFs were out of ammo and that I couldn't afford a suppression mission. He probably thinks I didn't listen to him. I did, but his suggestion didn't apply under the peculiar circumstances.
Your suggestion is the same. I'm not ready yet to begin strategic bombing, so aligning bomber HQ isn't a priority yet. It will become the priority soon - as soon as I have airfields in proximity (I'm close, but not yet there). Burma is irrelevant now, but Indochina isn't. The Allied army moving north into China from Indochina will have a synergistic effect on what's going to play out in Formosa and in coastal China. If I can merge all of this into one front it's going to make my strategic bombing campaign far more effective. I won't give you all the reasons now, but trust me that spending PP on Indian divisions for Indochina now may directly help strategic bombing when it commences in earnest in about eight weeks.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
8/23/44
Peep Show: A good day bombing Formosa's airfields; Allied army to attack at Swatow tomorrow, if any enemy units are still present by then.
Indochina: A good day on the ground, as the main Allied stack in the north pushes back the last feeble opposition before Hanoi/Haiphong; in the south, two Allied divisions destroy the remnants of an enemy mixed brigade outside Saigon.

Peep Show: A good day bombing Formosa's airfields; Allied army to attack at Swatow tomorrow, if any enemy units are still present by then.
Indochina: A good day on the ground, as the main Allied stack in the north pushes back the last feeble opposition before Hanoi/Haiphong; in the south, two Allied divisions destroy the remnants of an enemy mixed brigade outside Saigon.

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8/23/44
DS & KB: Death Star is moving in good order to Manila, from where it will then engage in the Formosa campaign.
KB is apparently splitting up again, with a stout division heading into the Java Sea. I don't care what KB does down in the DEI over the coming weeks. Formosa is the locus of the war.

DS & KB: Death Star is moving in good order to Manila, from where it will then engage in the Formosa campaign.
KB is apparently splitting up again, with a stout division heading into the Java Sea. I don't care what KB does down in the DEI over the coming weeks. Formosa is the locus of the war.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
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Makee: Words will not suffice....
Unfortunately that was not the case when I use to write papers for people during summers in College. Yes I was a THUG, hardcore one at that. The library was just not enough. Being able to guarantee at least a B and working at a College library, to get clients was as easy as selling sugarcoated heroin to 3rd graders.
As with those trying to see your planning, what is written, or seen, doesn't always say it all. I actually believe that there is more to the picture, or the text, than meets the eye.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
In rural Georgia once, I saw a sign in a front yard: "Lawn more repair shop."
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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In another part of rural Georgia about four years ago, a school sign announced: "October is Downs Syndrome Awareness Month."
While that illness is no joking matter, I couldn't help but laugh at the irony.
In Sunday school last week, a very smart lady told us about some "paternal twins." (Well, okay, I suppose that's literally true.)
In Sunday school about six weeks ago, that same lady told us that you could "tell a lot about a person by their continence." (That's probably true, but wouldn't their "countenance" reveal more?)
I gave my secretary dictation once, and the type-written document came to me reading: "Gorilla warfare."
After my wife spent a few days with her father back in her hometown, I asked her what she'd done. She replied that she'd been "swinging in the valley." I wasn't sure what to make of this. So I repeated it that way, which made her mad, for some reason. She said, "I went to see Swain and Lynn Lewallen!"
While that illness is no joking matter, I couldn't help but laugh at the irony.
In Sunday school last week, a very smart lady told us about some "paternal twins." (Well, okay, I suppose that's literally true.)
In Sunday school about six weeks ago, that same lady told us that you could "tell a lot about a person by their continence." (That's probably true, but wouldn't their "countenance" reveal more?)
I gave my secretary dictation once, and the type-written document came to me reading: "Gorilla warfare."
After my wife spent a few days with her father back in her hometown, I asked her what she'd done. She replied that she'd been "swinging in the valley." I wasn't sure what to make of this. So I repeated it that way, which made her mad, for some reason. She said, "I went to see Swain and Lynn Lewallen!"
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Wasn't there Japanese troops NW of Pakhoi? Hiding in the woods (or is it jungle there?).
I am looking forward to the strategic bombing campaign...and I am curious if Japan has conducted any night bombing raids?
AA effectiveness...likely the AA is heavily disrupted/disabled. It does take a beating...and morale starts to flag. Might as well stay in the shelters. Merely a guess on my part...from continual bombing in a past life.[:)] You need lots of AA and ENG present (i.e. many units) to spread the disruption around...and that is not John's modus operandi is it? If there is a lot of AA units in the hex then you perhaps maybe correct that supply is starting to run low.
Gorilla warfare is just plain nasty...I have seen Planet of the Apes.[:D]
I am looking forward to the strategic bombing campaign...and I am curious if Japan has conducted any night bombing raids?
AA effectiveness...likely the AA is heavily disrupted/disabled. It does take a beating...and morale starts to flag. Might as well stay in the shelters. Merely a guess on my part...from continual bombing in a past life.[:)] You need lots of AA and ENG present (i.e. many units) to spread the disruption around...and that is not John's modus operandi is it? If there is a lot of AA units in the hex then you perhaps maybe correct that supply is starting to run low.
Gorilla warfare is just plain nasty...I have seen Planet of the Apes.[:D]
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I live in Columbus, Ohio. In our local Jersey Mike's Sub Shop, there was a sign that read "Sorry but we do not except 100 dollar bills".
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
For the upcoming Strategic bombing campaign...
"- Strafing Will Suppress Flak, Strafe Skill >70 will increase suppression"
Anyone have any success with this?

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Hmmm, Sh-cool [;)]
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Dan, I understand you are trying to buy out an Indian Division. Where are you planning to send that division? I ask because and upgraded Chinese division is going to have more AV than an Indian Division and if you are bringing that Indian Division to China, well, the Chinese divisions are already there and you could save a ton of PP. Chinese are the hammer now
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Makee: Words will not suffice....
Unfortunately that was not the case when I use to write papers for people during summers in College. Yes I was a THUG, hardcore one at that. The library was just not enough. Being able to guarantee at least a B and working at a College library, to get clients was as easy as selling sugarcoated heroin to 3rd graders.
As with those trying to see your planning, what is written, or seen, doesn't always say it all. I actually believe that there is more to the picture, or the text, than meets the eye.
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
I was thinking the same thing - Sir Sean Connery talking about a place for education!ORIGINAL: BillBrown
Hmmm, Sh-cool [;)]
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The roof, the roof is your ^ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Peches is French for fish, but they missed the little ^ accent over the first "E" (ê).
albeit rather big one [:)]
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Wasn't there Japanese troops NW of Pakhoi? Hiding in the woods (or is it jungle there?). Those were divisions leaving Indochina for China.
I am looking forward to the strategic bombing campaign...and I am curious if Japan has conducted any night bombing raids? John is biding his time - no night raids yet.
AA effectiveness...likely the AA is heavily disrupted/disabled. It does take a beating...and morale starts to flag. Might as well stay in the shelters. Merely a guess on my part...from continual bombing in a past life.[:)] You need lots of AA and ENG present (i.e. many units) to spread the disruption around...and that is not John's modus operandi is it? If there is a lot of AA units in the hex then you perhaps maybe correct that supply is starting to run low.
Gorilla warfare is just plain nasty...I have seen Planet of the Apes.[:D]
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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The division will be posted somewhere in the Bangkok area to serve as local security. It's prepping for Singers, it's eventual target.ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Dan, I understand you are trying to buy out an Indian Division. Where are you planning to send that division? I ask because and upgraded Chinese division is going to have more AV than an Indian Division and if you are bringing that Indian Division to China, well, the Chinese divisions are already there and you could save a ton of PP. Chinese are the hammer now
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8/24/44
DS: About three days out of Manila.
KB: Hiding "in the shades" in Java and Singers. What's John up to with the rest of his carriers? Raid in Bay of Bengal?

DS: About three days out of Manila.
KB: Hiding "in the shades" in Java and Singers. What's John up to with the rest of his carriers? Raid in Bay of Bengal?

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8/24/44
Peep Show: The Allies take Swatow. The original Peep Show objectives have been met - Foochow to Swatow. Supply is an issue, until more arrives, so mostly the Allies will attend to defense now. Mostly, not entirely.
SEAC: Main Allied army in northern Indochina will begin crossing the river into Haiphong tomorrow. SigInt report enemy ground unit aboard ship bound for Saigon. Belated reinforcement effort. John probably sees an opportunity to hold against modest Allied opposition.

Peep Show: The Allies take Swatow. The original Peep Show objectives have been met - Foochow to Swatow. Supply is an issue, until more arrives, so mostly the Allies will attend to defense now. Mostly, not entirely.
SEAC: Main Allied army in northern Indochina will begin crossing the river into Haiphong tomorrow. SigInt report enemy ground unit aboard ship bound for Saigon. Belated reinforcement effort. John probably sees an opportunity to hold against modest Allied opposition.

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