BrianG V Sillyflower (open for discussion)

[BrianG]

Here is my big mud attack. Also will attack it turn 124. same results.

[M60A3TTS]

These attacks of yours are too far east.

As soon as the rivers are frozen, I'd punch through with an eye getting to the west of Voronezh.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fovnd77xeq738tz/Brian%20Ph%201.jpg?dl=0

[BrianG]

These attacks of yours are too far east. As soon as the rivers are frozen, I'd punch through with an eye getting to the west of Voronezh. https://www.dropbox.com/s/fovnd77xeq738 ... 1.jpg?dl=0

Now under consideration

[BrianG]

Here my new unproven 8th mech will be moved near Penza.

possible moves shown by train

[BrianG]

Vasili will be moved to Western HQ.

Here is picture of other higher hq's

[BrianG]

Final Mud Far North.

Tank corp which was at upper end has been moved to Penza. This was the 5th shock Army

[BrianG]

Final Kalinin area.

The VP city here be surrounded and then reattached to the motherland.

I want the rr line to reach Moscow without German zoc

[BrianG]

Final Moscow.

I think my forward units will be hard to budge with very high CV's.

[BrianG]

Penza area final.


Holding off the Germans here will be an issue. I assume he will find at least one weak spot and breakthrough.

Does he have enough to launch really scary counteroffensive? THAT IS THE QUESTION!

[BrianG]

Saratov final.

I retreat from forward lines down south and bulk up front line.

[BrianG]

far far south

[BrianG]

my partisans are here. Very thin everywhere else

[BrianG]

Here is the Germans attack on left side of action.

He did not even send in planes to soften up the hex.

I had over 100 CV in hex

[BrianG]

And the right side attack

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: BrianG

Here is the Germans attack on left side of action.

He did not even send in planes to soften up the hex.

I had over 100 CV in hex

Lets see, 3 SS Divisions with Manstein & Eng Val of 28. Who needs to soften anything up with that. Plus, would you have been able to do any sort of damage to the softening up Air force if he did fly it? Because Sillyflower routinely posts (boasts more like it) about how many A/C he shoots down of yours

Just my 2 cents, until the Air War is under control to the Soviets side the Soviets arent going anywhere fast. (of course the morale auto change is a given too)

[chaos45]

personally I think your offensive units are to dispersed. You have to do a soviet panzerball if you want to start recovering ground. You have tank corps scattered into 3 different operational areas when the German army is actually at 100% strength, with air superiority and holding in general a good defensive line.

You are costing yourself losses at this point....where his infantry are holding the line use infantry corps and artillery divisions to grind him....

Then pick an area you really want and slam head on with all of your tank, mech, and cav corps along with artillery support and overwhelming amounts of fighter loaded airbases.

Yes he will move his tanks to block but forcing his tanks to fight without the support of dug-in german infantry holding the flanks and good positions will allow you to attrit them and maybe make progress.

[BrianG]

personally I think your offensive units are to dispersed. You have to do a soviet panzerball if you want to start recovering ground. You have tank corps scattered into 3 different operational areas when the German army is actually at 100% strength, with air superiority and holding in general a good defensive line.

My tanks north of Moscow are there for that mini breakthrough which will help me retake Moscow at some future time. They cant move until relieved.

I have just brought my tanks from 5th shock south and now (secret) am moving my 1st guards which is all tank to penza area. that would leave about 2 armies of tanks east of Saratov, 1 near Moscow and the rest near Penza.

My trapped units must be saved at all cost. It may also offer me an opportunity to fight all his tanks in one spot!


Aircorp needs a talking too from Stalin himself.

[BrianG]

I only get 40,000 rr movement points a turn thus hindering moving armor over far distances.

[ajds]

Each of those was 1700+ german panzers on attack with plenty of Panthers (Manstein had Tigers for sure) supported by big time combat engineering. And more artillery than the defenders. Almost the irresistable force.

Where are your sturmoviks - 100 soviet bombers is not cutting it.

[M60A3TTS]

ORIGINAL: BrianG

personally I think your offensive units are to dispersed. You have to do a soviet panzerball if you want to start recovering ground. You have tank corps scattered into 3 different operational areas when the German army is actually at 100% strength, with air superiority and holding in general a good defensive line.

My tanks north of Moscow are there for that mini breakthrough which will help me retake Moscow at some future time. They cant move until relieved.

I have just brought my tanks from 5th shock south and now (secret) am moving my 1st guards which is all tank to penza area. that would leave about 2 armies of tanks east of Saratov, 1 near Moscow and the rest near Penza.

My trapped units must be saved at all cost. It may also offer me an opportunity to fight all his tanks in one spot!


Aircorp needs a talking too from Stalin himself.

Sorry, but I just see no value at all in having a single tank corps east of Tambov.

East of Saratov, what is there to protect? If you launch a massed attack of tank, cavalry and mech forces in the west, Sillyflower has to respond. You need him to abandon the whole Saratov area by threatening his rear, hence my previous suggestion to strike south-southwest in the Voronezh area. In the off-chance he tries to go east of Saratov, you can always move more troops by rail, but he has no incentive to this late in the game.