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One has to wonder how much experience B-1 pilots have shooting at ships

About the same as the B-52G/H crew when they start doing ocean patrol with Harpoon, the doctrine is already developed so they just have to learn the basic. It's just that they can get there faster and can launch further away.
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I would never use a B-52 to launch a harpoon when an S-3 was available, do you think its ever been done?
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I would never use a B-52 to launch a harpoon when an S-3 was available, do you think its ever been done?
B-52 and S-3 are in two different bigs.

Air Force might not need much of ASM in their arsenal if they got a powerful Navy and its carrier jets to do that job. Like you said the S-3, A-6 and then F/A-18 are capable to carry Harpoons, but these are small jets and hindered with limited flight radius compare to B-52 and B-1.

I would say it's depends on the the deployment. Ideally it's the one who launch harpoon first at shortest amount of time has the advantage, but that doesn't mean it's easier to punch through hostile defenses without a good-timed strike planning. That applied to LRASM too.
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I would never use a B-52 to launch a harpoon when an S-3 was available, do you think its ever been done?

I don't think either has been done in anger - could be wrong.

The idea of the B-52 harpoon strike in the 80's/90's was mass. A Sqn of 8 BUFFs with 12 Harpoon each would add a lot of firepower to a CVN's ALPHA Strike on a Soviet SAG or Carrier Group.

I believe the doctrine was that the CVW would 'break-in' to the defences and do as much SEAD of the Ships defences as it could, the A-6/F-18 strike would work on the escorts and the BUFFs would come in shortly afterwards with for the HVUs.

I think the S-3 (and P-3 for that matter) use for the Harpoon was more in the armed Maritime Patrol role where you are so far from quick support you want to be armed with both ASW and ASuW munitions to tackle any target of opportunity.

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Agreed. Nice Idea on paper Good info Thanks :)
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Good points, I'd be willing to bet Somalia could shoot a harpoon out of the sky. I use them as decoys/targets.
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Sinking of F Bosísio (F-48) during MISSILEX 2017 - Brasilian navy drill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBF3SdVWdFA
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Popular Mechanics view:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/militar ... sile-test/

Original photographer web site:
https://jpcvanheijst.com/blogs/2017/07/ ... over-china
FreeBeacon reported it just a week late from the event. The conclusion is: DN-3 ASAT.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... ssile/amp/

I tried to search some words like 'ballistic', 'ABM' and alike in this article, but none has found, and pointed out the different between intercepting a 'programmed' RV and a 'real' RV. It is boldly written that is both against the peace of space (satellites) and is a failed test.

In other word, western media will NEVER admit non-western ABM capability no matter the circumstance. I do doubt what China trying to achieve with this test as well, but perpetually repeating a black history of ASAT test already gives readers more reasons why US military must pointing guns at Chinese military progressions, and ultimately aimed for budget increase.

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And here is the BTS (behind the scene) of 90th PLA Anniversary Military Parade A 4 minutes of video with full of Chinese arsenals put in unique perspectives:

https://youtu.be/sRPaLxqmfQ4
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There is a rumor about the garrisoned JSDF in Djibouti was deployed frogmen and approached PLAN warships, but was spotted and immediately reported by state media :

http://m.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy- ... ments-open
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13 ... iddle-east

A little below Command's scale, but special ops are always fun to play around with and find interesting ways to incorporate them.

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Private military contractor 'Lancaster6' offers boost to Afgan air force capabilities with private air wing...

Aha! See, my Strike Commander series is contemporaneous! [:D]
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Nigeria has a whole host of problems. But maybe this is a sign the US is waking up to the 21st Century race to win over Africa.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/08 ... rd%20Brief
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http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13 ... iddle-east

A little below Command's scale, but special ops are always fun to play around with and find interesting ways to incorporate them.

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Apparently the US West Coast as well and the internet was convinced the Mexican Navy had arrived with a blogger even claiming to have confirmed this fact, before the Sheriff's Department revealed they were actually US Navy SEALs.

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/08/fake-news-of-the-mexican-navy-arriving-in-california-started-on-a-boating-web-forum/
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This news has exploded into technological nationalism debates, because outsourcing military machines under current global agendas and fallacies can get out of hand easily:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/08 ... use-cyber/
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Sheriff's Department revealed they were actually US Navy SEALs

Good find. I guess if those boats can confuse the well versed US power boat community, adversaries in the Gulf, Baltic and or South China Sea do not stand a chance [:D]

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Excellent video embedded in the article:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/13 ... y-carriers
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Although the 'common valued countries' take no empathy to China during the monthly sustained Sino-India border conflcit, China is getting more certain her patience is running out, and no patience means war:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/china-conside ... 53286.html

UPDATE: A Pakistani media reported the Indian troops are gradually retreating from the conflicted soil of Chinese border, and only a few is still staying, but it is just as suspicious as the media itself, and need time to conform:

http://3g.china.com/act/news/1000/20170 ... 49002.html (Simplified Chinese)
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"Long story short, Russia’s navy is in bad shape, and Russia is in no shape to rebuild it. In the foreseeable future, Russia should commit to naval projects that it absolutely requires, and that it does well. This mostly means a nuclear submarine flotilla capable of posing a deterrent threat, and a small surface fleet tasked with managing routine maritime maintenance operations. Anything more is probably too much of a reach."

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... 796?page=2

Good practice for everyone on the ground especially vs the threat to ground forces where miniatures/micros will soon proliferate. Laser will be involved I bet.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-m ... SKBN1AN2BP


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