Yeah, 50mph faster is a lot ... and you cannot get a numbers advantage on them (yet) as you are so strapped for fighters everywhere. and the Oscar/Zero DUR is so low that even the 2x7mm guns of the Mig3 are enough to kill ...ORIGINAL: Lowpe
I have no counter for these guys. It is not a question of trading 2 Zeroes for 1 Mig. I have been able to shoot one down and 2 to ops losses.
Morning Air attack on Kotou , at 116,42
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
MiG-3 x 24
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x MiG-3 sweeping at 27000 feet
The Accidental War Obvert vs Lowpe
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Pax
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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
Yeah, 50mph faster is a lot ... and you cannot get a numbers advantage on them (yet) as you are so strapped for fighters everywhere. and the Oscar/Zero DUR is so low that even the 2x7mm guns of the Mig3 are enough to kill ...ORIGINAL: Lowpe
I have no counter for these guys. It is not a question of trading 2 Zeroes for 1 Mig. I have been able to shoot one down and 2 to ops losses.
Morning Air attack on Kotou , at 116,42
Weather in hex: Light rain
Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes
Allied aircraft
MiG-3 x 24
No Allied losses
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x MiG-3 sweeping at 27000 feet
I wish it were 50 mph difference, but against a Zero with Symons mod it is 66mph, and 91 against the Oscar Ic.[X(]. Their weak spot is the 18 mnvr down low, but the speed difference does offset that.
I need numbers and infrastructure, and at this point don't have either as almost all my runways with the Soviets are size 1. Until about a week ago, I was critically low on Aviation engineering units too. I got several as a reinforcement...but I am still am very low.
I have my first big cap trap against the Soviets this turn, about 80 Zeroes and Oscars. But there is absolutely 0 aviation support present (will arrive at the end of the day I hope), but it is a rail road base so I will rail the planes out on the morrow.
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A battleship speaks!
2 sub attacks but both miss...

2 sub attacks but both miss...

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Not a great fighter turnout, I guess having 0 aviation support at the fighter's base causes that. [;)]


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Our fighter trap works well...really better than I thought with 0 aviation support. Those pilots must be tired!


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Soviets targeting the Toyohara invasion fleets, go get Claude! Those 7.7 caliber holes are adding up!


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Zeros are the perfect match against the SB2 ... those 20mm will knock them down and the I-15 can't catch you ... all you need is about 500 more A6M's flying ... [;)]
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Soviets targeting the Toyohara invasion fleets, go get Claude! Those 7.7 caliber holes are adding up!
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MBRs are the Soviet patrol plane. Fairly short range and small bomb load.
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Take that you worthless swine!


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Dropping two 50Kg bombs from 1000 feet...only one makes a run.
I am so glad I cap trapped those lousy torpedo bombers yesterday...80-100 of them over the water would have been nasty. Probably have that to worry about tomorrow.
The last of the railroad blockers is destroyed by Soviet bombing...

I am so glad I cap trapped those lousy torpedo bombers yesterday...80-100 of them over the water would have been nasty. Probably have that to worry about tomorrow.
The last of the railroad blockers is destroyed by Soviet bombing...

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Banner day in the air...even got a Mig3 to op losses![:)]


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This is what running fighter squadrons on LRCAP at 70% does to you with 0 aviation support. Do you think this was gamey?

Just look at those pilots, some are really awful!

Just look at those pilots, some are really awful!
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For the medium and long term Lowpe is doing much better in the air than he is being credited.
1. The Allies are front loading their best assets at the front at the expense of long term health. Those forked devils can only be present on the front lines by downgrading existing restricted stateside units. The point overlooked is that (a) they are not fully equipped with forked devils but will consume a full TOE of downgraded aircraft, and (b) most of those restricted air units completely lose all their aircraft when withdrawn.
2. It is extremely rare to find overall Allied air losses to be greater than Japan. Japanese players seem to take it as a badge of honour to have far heavier losses yet there is no sound reason why in 1942 a properly conducted Japanese air campaign should not at least break even with overall Allied air losses.
3. Those SB-2 losses to the CAP trap represents about 16% of the entire SB-2 stockpile. Like most 1941/42 Soviet models, there is no replacement production of the SB-2.
4. Using the MBR-2 on naval attack is very dubious. It will be years before there is any Soviet replacement production for any patrol aircraft type. As I said the Allies are frontloading at the expense of long term health.
The one thing I would remind Lowpe is about the value of moving into Mongolia and striking towards Lake Baikal which I mentioned some time ago. Light forces from China, which will not reduce the assets along the Amur, can be used to achieve disproportionate results and indirectly assist the Amur defences.
Alfred
1. The Allies are front loading their best assets at the front at the expense of long term health. Those forked devils can only be present on the front lines by downgrading existing restricted stateside units. The point overlooked is that (a) they are not fully equipped with forked devils but will consume a full TOE of downgraded aircraft, and (b) most of those restricted air units completely lose all their aircraft when withdrawn.
2. It is extremely rare to find overall Allied air losses to be greater than Japan. Japanese players seem to take it as a badge of honour to have far heavier losses yet there is no sound reason why in 1942 a properly conducted Japanese air campaign should not at least break even with overall Allied air losses.
3. Those SB-2 losses to the CAP trap represents about 16% of the entire SB-2 stockpile. Like most 1941/42 Soviet models, there is no replacement production of the SB-2.
4. Using the MBR-2 on naval attack is very dubious. It will be years before there is any Soviet replacement production for any patrol aircraft type. As I said the Allies are frontloading at the expense of long term health.
The one thing I would remind Lowpe is about the value of moving into Mongolia and striking towards Lake Baikal which I mentioned some time ago. Light forces from China, which will not reduce the assets along the Amur, can be used to achieve disproportionate results and indirectly assist the Amur defences.
Alfred
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RE: Soviets Activated....
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
This is what running fighter squadrons on LRCAP at 70% does to you with 0 aviation support. Do you think this was gamey?
Not at all, but I usually fall into "if the mechanics allow it, then it's a valid tactic" camp.
RE: Soviets Activated....
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Our fighter trap works well...really better than I thought with 0 aviation support. Those pilots must be tired!
The level of aviation support is not really relevant for day 1 air operations as its impact is on subsequent days in terms of ability to service damaged aircraft. Of far greater relevance for day 1 operations is the distance involved in the transfer for that both impacts on the number of aircraft damaged on the transit flight plus whether any air operation will be undertaken at all on the transfer date itself.
Alfred
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British bombers are eating me up alive in northern China, where I went too far without AA.
Need AA to arrive for the Mongol operation to move forward, but I am working on it and a counter to the Soviet thrust.

Need AA to arrive for the Mongol operation to move forward, but I am working on it and a counter to the Soviet thrust.

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