The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
The victory points aspect of the game is well thought out and adds an immense level of excitement and challenge in 1944 and 1945. Many of you have commented on this before. I recall specifically that Bullwinkle and Alfred have emphasized this in many posts.
This game is a good example of the point. John's been back on his heels for a long, long time. But the VP angle makes the game taut and challenging here in 1945. The Allies are going to win the war militarily and I think I'm going to win the game, but John can still fight hard, come up with novel or fun ways to stave off defeat, and the contest is just as exciting to me now as it was in 1942.
That's a testament to the quality of the game - the quality of the work done by the designers.
This game is a good example of the point. John's been back on his heels for a long, long time. But the VP angle makes the game taut and challenging here in 1945. The Allies are going to win the war militarily and I think I'm going to win the game, but John can still fight hard, come up with novel or fun ways to stave off defeat, and the contest is just as exciting to me now as it was in 1942.
That's a testament to the quality of the game - the quality of the work done by the designers.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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As for fighter escorts, I have found various branches do not support one another. In other words, Marine fighters won't escort Navy Bombers, the Army won't support the Navy, the British won't support the Americans, and everyone ignores the Australians. It's not right, but I suppose there is some realism there.
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As for fighter escorts, I have found various branches do not support one another. In other words, Marine fighters won't escort Navy Bombers, the Army won't support the Navy, the British won't support the Americans, and everyone ignores the Australians. It's not right, but I suppose there is some realism there.
This isn't really my experience. I have a tendency to concentrate all of my air units, regardless of nationality, into single commands...
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It has ALWAYS been my experience [:(] Commands don't seem to matter, at least in any game I played.
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Back on the subject of trees. I am a realtor and love to show older homes in the DC area that have Chestnut trim on the interior. It is worth stripping the paint off to show it off if you have it.
As for the red oaks and white oaks in our area, we are having serious issues with them. There is red oak decline which is causing many older trees to slowly die but more significant is that the exploding deer population is severely altering our old growth forest. The deer eat all of the young oak seedlings and they are not able to replace themselves. There is a looming disaster coming as a result and our politicians have no clue or don't care. A walk in the woods these days shows that beech trees are ascendant and the undergrowth trees seem to be all holly. The only good news is there is plenty of oak firewood around these days.
As for the red oaks and white oaks in our area, we are having serious issues with them. There is red oak decline which is causing many older trees to slowly die but more significant is that the exploding deer population is severely altering our old growth forest. The deer eat all of the young oak seedlings and they are not able to replace themselves. There is a looming disaster coming as a result and our politicians have no clue or don't care. A walk in the woods these days shows that beech trees are ascendant and the undergrowth trees seem to be all holly. The only good news is there is plenty of oak firewood around these days.
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The victory points aspect of the game is well thought out and adds an immense level of excitement and challenge in 1944 and 1945. Many of you have commented on this before. I recall specifically that Bullwinkle and Alfred have emphasized this in many posts.
This game is a good example of the point. John's been back on his heels for a long, long time. But the VP angle makes the game taut and challenging here in 1945. The Allies are going to win the war militarily and I think I'm going to win the game, but John can still fight hard, come up with novel or fun ways to stave off defeat, and the contest is just as exciting to me now as it was in 1942.
That's a testament to the quality of the game - the quality of the work done by the designers.
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Only by getting this far against a quality opponent does all of this become apparent. The VPs give Japan a carrot and a reason to keep inventing new methods of frustration. Why else use kamis? It's a pain in the butt to set 50 air groups for one strike and then have to replace ALL of the airframes and pilots again and again.
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Back on the subject of trees. I am a realtor and love to show older homes in the DC area that have . It is worth stripping the paint off to show it off if you have it.
As for the red oaks and white oaks in our area, we are having serious issues with them. There is red oak decline which is causing many older trees to slowly die but more significant is that the exploding deer population is severely altering our old growth forest. The deer eat all of the young oak seedlings and they are not able to replace themselves. There is a looming disaster coming as a result and our politicians have no clue or don't care. A walk in the woods these days shows that beech trees are ascendant and the undergrowth trees seem to be all holly. The only good news is there is plenty of oak firewood around these days.
It's nice looking wood - Chestnut, especially if stained in a way that brings out it's natural color. Not modern toxic stains, but using "Old School" like a mixture of Linseed oil and beeswax which is nontoxic.
Chestnut trim on the interior
Can you tell if it's done by hand? I make molding using hand planes.
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I'm not sure to which post the Moose was replying, however, 'Swedish Bikini Team' is always a valid response -IF- accompanied by a picture.
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ORIGINAL: crsutton
Back on the subject of trees. I am a realtor and love to show older homes in the DC area that have . It is worth stripping the paint off to show it off if you have it.
As for the red oaks and white oaks in our area, we are having serious issues with them. There is red oak decline which is causing many older trees to slowly die but more significant is that the exploding deer population is severely altering our old growth forest. The deer eat all of the young oak seedlings and they are not able to replace themselves. There is a looming disaster coming as a result and our politicians have no clue or don't care. A walk in the woods these days shows that beech trees are ascendant and the undergrowth trees seem to be all holly. The only good news is there is plenty of oak firewood around these days.
It's nice looking wood - Chestnut, especially if stained in a way that brings out it's natural color. Not modern toxic stains, but using "Old School" like a mixture of Linseed oil and beeswax which is nontoxic.
Chestnut trim on the interior
Can you tell if it's done by hand? I make molding using hand planes.
My parents live in a 1880's New England farmhouse with chesnut woodwork in several places. When they were making some renovations, their carpenter had to do a bunch of work to try different wood and stains to even try to match the chestnut. Came out looking very good.
Mike
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I'm not sure to which post the Moose was replying, however, 'Swedish Bikini Team' is always a valid response -IF- accompanied by a picture.
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
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Back on the subject of trees. I am a realtor and love to show older homes in the DC area that have . It is worth stripping the paint off to show it off if you have it.
As for the red oaks and white oaks in our area, we are having serious issues with them. There is red oak decline which is causing many older trees to slowly die but more significant is that the exploding deer population is severely altering our old growth forest. The deer eat all of the young oak seedlings and they are not able to replace themselves. There is a looming disaster coming as a result and our politicians have no clue or don't care. A walk in the woods these days shows that beech trees are ascendant and the undergrowth trees seem to be all holly. The only good news is there is plenty of oak firewood around these days.
It's nice looking wood - Chestnut, especially if stained in a way that brings out it's natural color. Not modern toxic stains, but using "Old School" like a mixture of Linseed oil and beeswax which is nontoxic.
Chestnut trim on the interior
Can you tell if it's done by hand? I make molding using hand planes.
My parents live in a 1880's New England farmhouse with chesnut woodwork in several places. When they were making some renovations, their carpenter had to do a bunch of work to try different wood and stains to even try to match the chestnut. Came out looking very good.
Mike
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
Ginkgo - A beautiful tree native to China. This one saw WW2 and more.
We had one planted at our college.
People Come From All Over The World To See This 1,400-Year-Old Ginkgo tree near the Gu Guanyin Buddhist temple in China’s Zhongdan Mountain region
The founder of the Tang Dynasty, Emperor Li Shimin, is said to have planted it with his own hands.

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Gingko (Ginko biloba) is indeed a beautiful tree. It's widely planted in the USA as an ornamental. The leaves turn gold and drop suddenly and almost in unison, as Makee's photo suggest. If memory serves, gingko is the only member of it's botanical family (gingkoales). That's pretty unusual.
Chestnut (Castanea dentate) is a member of the Fagaceae family, as are oaks and beech. American chestnut comprised approximately 17% of the eastern forests in 1900, according to the best sources I've found (many say 25%, but that strikes me as too high). The nut was hugely important to wildlife and pioneer. The wood was durable - rot resistant - and used for just about everything, including fencing and exteriors. After chestnuts in the South died in the '30s and '40s, lumbermen were still taking the downed timber in the 1970s, sawing it into paneling often referred to as "wormy chestnut." This is what many of you guys are referring to. The paneling was dark and rich and lovely. The halls of the University of Georgia forestry school were so paneled.
Chestnut (Castanea dentate) is a member of the Fagaceae family, as are oaks and beech. American chestnut comprised approximately 17% of the eastern forests in 1900, according to the best sources I've found (many say 25%, but that strikes me as too high). The nut was hugely important to wildlife and pioneer. The wood was durable - rot resistant - and used for just about everything, including fencing and exteriors. After chestnuts in the South died in the '30s and '40s, lumbermen were still taking the downed timber in the 1970s, sawing it into paneling often referred to as "wormy chestnut." This is what many of you guys are referring to. The paneling was dark and rich and lovely. The halls of the University of Georgia forestry school were so paneled.
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Back on the subject of trees. I am a realtor and love to show older homes in the DC area that have Chestnut trim on the interior. It is worth stripping the paint off to show it off if you have it.
As for the red oaks and white oaks in our area, we are having serious issues with them. There is red oak decline which is causing many older trees to slowly die but more significant is that the exploding deer population is severely altering our old growth forest. The deer eat all of the young oak seedlings and they are not able to replace themselves. There is a looming disaster coming as a result and our politicians have no clue or don't care. A walk in the woods these days shows that beech trees are ascendant and the undergrowth trees seem to be all holly. The only good news is there is plenty of oak firewood around these days.
Hrm. I'm not sure what my trim is, but my house is "only" from 1921. I doubt it's chestnut - I'd bet that it's pine.
I've got 3 red oaks going in my yard right now. Well, one was sold to us as a red oak but it turns out it's a pin oak. Of the 2 red oaks... 1 of them is doing great. The other suffered from bugs last year and didn't grow much this year.
I live in a municipality that has urban forest ordinances, though. And somehow, I've never seen a deer in my yard or even neighborhood (outside of the park) despite being a half mile from the river.
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Loka is a bit off in two respects. Pin oak is a red oak. And, strictly speaking, it's not specific to say one has a "red oak" in his yard. There isn't a species called "red oak."
Oaks are divided into two major categories: white oaks and red oaks. Of the red oaks, there must be 25-30 species in the United States, perhaps a dozen or more growing in the eastern USA. The red oaks include southern, northern, scarlet, black, water, willow, laurel, live, Mitchell, pin, blackjack, cherrybark, turkey, shumard, chinquapin oak and chestnut oak species.
The white oak group includes white oak, post oak, swamp white oak, burr, overcup and several others.
Lumbermen do refer to oaks by their major groups. IE, they really don't distinguish between most of the red oaks. For them, the lumber is the same whether from black oak or southern red oak or scarlet oak. To them the wood/lumber is either "red oak" or "white oak."
That's taking it way beyond what anybody might care about, but the precision of botany is interesting (but only to those who love botany, I suppose).
Oaks are divided into two major categories: white oaks and red oaks. Of the red oaks, there must be 25-30 species in the United States, perhaps a dozen or more growing in the eastern USA. The red oaks include southern, northern, scarlet, black, water, willow, laurel, live, Mitchell, pin, blackjack, cherrybark, turkey, shumard, chinquapin oak and chestnut oak species.
The white oak group includes white oak, post oak, swamp white oak, burr, overcup and several others.
Lumbermen do refer to oaks by their major groups. IE, they really don't distinguish between most of the red oaks. For them, the lumber is the same whether from black oak or southern red oak or scarlet oak. To them the wood/lumber is either "red oak" or "white oak."
That's taking it way beyond what anybody might care about, but the precision of botany is interesting (but only to those who love botany, I suppose).
"Rats set fire to Mr. Cooper’s store in Fort Valley. No damage done." Columbus (Ga) Enquirer-Sun, October 2, 1880.
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Growing up there was only two Gingko trees around, every school child had to go to them for their leaf collection books around 4th grade.
Now they are very common. Very popular in Philly, as they don't need trimming much (if at all) and do well in less than ideal circumstances (poor air I have been told). So they line the streets all over and in parking lots. At least that is what I have been told...
Now they are very common. Very popular in Philly, as they don't need trimming much (if at all) and do well in less than ideal circumstances (poor air I have been told). So they line the streets all over and in parking lots. At least that is what I have been told...
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KB East: Still raiding! John must have tabs on CVE Manila Bay.

KB East: Still raiding! John must have tabs on CVE Manila Bay.

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Fancy Pants: See map for details.

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I note 5th Indian Div worked OK, have you got 5th Marine Div back into action yet??
PS Love the pics, its as close as I'm going to get to Nth Georgia. (Got a .001% chance of getting to Central Tennessee though, keeping in the boss's good books!)
PS Love the pics, its as close as I'm going to get to Nth Georgia. (Got a .001% chance of getting to Central Tennessee though, keeping in the boss's good books!)
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