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Accumulated air losses are still good. I just hope that Japanese naval fighter pilots are dying along with their planes. The Allied bombers destroyed on the ground were courtesy of Nagato and Mutsu bombarding Batavia on the first night. I don't see them around, so I guess they sailed back to port to rearm and refuel.

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As for Palembang, the situation is interesting. In the last few days, between bombing, artillery and combat, the accumulated results for Japan are:

Squads: 7 destroyed, 183 disabled.
Non-combat: 6 destroyed, 87 disabled.
Guns: 2 destroyed, 16 disabled.
Vehicles: 3 destroyed, 10 disabled.

I have an AV of 266, with 37 engineers. In the next 2 turns, if I do not lose the base, I will add 140+ per turn. There is also an additional AAA unit moving towards Palembang.

We will see.

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Last turn I lost Dinagat, Moulmein and Abetama. I also got Kluong back, as Japan vacated it.

In Moulmein, my esteemed opponent has 5800 troops and 40 guns in 4 units. Across the river 2 under strength Bns. face them, but in Pegu the 17th Indian Div and 1st Burma Div are patiently waiting.

I did not pay attention to China for a few turns, and I might lose Tsiatso because of it. Trying to do damage control, but it might be too late.

Port Moresby has been reinforced as PPs allow, and the first US Inf Rgt. has been bought out for deployment to India. 5 more are in queue.
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Ok... got the combat report back. Getting mauled in the air, but twice I got a number of Betties, which is always nice. I am running out of fighters, though! Also, Batavia is being shut down by rather efficient A6M2s and B5N2s.

On land, the story is quite different, though. My esteemed opponents words were: "You are smart my friend. You have me stalled on several fronts, and I'll need to do some thinking quick before it gets too late. My troop losses are getting heavy, and I have to decide what to do next. My current thinking is you have a lot of troops in places where they normally wouldn't be, so... it means other places might be good areas to umm...... well... we'll see" (edited for format).

Anyway, this is the gist of what happened:

Palembang (both were Japanese deliberate attacks)

Day 1:
Japanese ground losses:
* 1339 casualties reported
** Squads: 20 destroyed, 96 disabled
** Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
** Engineers: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
** Guns lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)
** Vehicles lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
* 569 casualties reported
** Squads: 5 destroyed, 37 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Day 2: (after the second British brigade arrives)
Japanese ground losses:
* 1804 casualties reported
** Squads: 71 destroyed, 63 disabled
** Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
** Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
** Guns lost 18 (6 destroyed, 12 disabled)
** Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
* 279 casualties reported
** Squads: 10 destroyed, 13 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
** Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Manila (both were Japanese bombardments)

Day 1:
Japanese ground losses:
* 227 casualties reported
** Squads: 2 destroyed, 18 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
** Guns lost 10 (7 destroyed, 3 disabled)
** Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Day 2:
Japanese ground losses:
* 182 casualties reported
** Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
** Guns lost 12 (5 destroyed, 7 disabled)
** Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
* 8 casualties reported
** Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Wenchow:

Day 1:
Japanese ground losses:
* 1470 casualties reported
** Squads: 7 destroyed, 141 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Allied ground losses:
* 213 casualties reported
** Squads: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
** Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Chengchow:

Day 1:
Japanese ground losses:
* 5172 casualties reported
** Squads: 14 destroyed, 508 disabled
** Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 43 disabled
** Engineers: 2 destroyed, 42 disabled
Allied ground losses:
* 1851 casualties reported
** Squads: 28 destroyed, 143 disabled
** Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 60 disabled
** Engineers: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled

Tsiaotso:

Day 1:
Japanese ground losses:
* 139 casualties reported
** Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Allied ground losses:
* 405 casualties reported
** Squads: 11 destroyed, 35 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
** Engineers: 3 destroyed, 2 disabled

Day 2: (after Chinese reinforcements arrived; otherwise I think it would have been lost)
Japanese ground losses:
* 715 casualties reported
** Squads: 2 destroyed, 99 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
** Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Allied ground losses:
* 286 casualties reported
** Squads: 6 destroyed, 15 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

In Cagayan and Clark Field I am slowly losing the battle. In the first because of lack of supply, and in the second because most units are already in Manila. In Ichang it is a stalemate. Should I even be bombarding?

All in all, I can't complain. The land results were too good.
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Palembang (both were Japanese deliberate attacks)

Day 1:
Japanese ground losses:
* 1339 casualties reported
** Squads: 20 destroyed, 96 disabled
** Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
** Engineers: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
** Guns lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)
** Vehicles lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
* 569 casualties reported
** Squads: 5 destroyed, 37 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Day 2: (after the second British brigade arrives)
Japanese ground losses:
* 1804 casualties reported
** Squads: 71 destroyed, 63 disabled
** Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
** Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
** Guns lost 18 (6 destroyed, 12 disabled)
** Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
* 279 casualties reported
** Squads: 10 destroyed, 13 disabled
** Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
** Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
** Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Excellent! Falken is going to need a bigger stick! [:D]
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Do you know you can use PP to purchase more fighters?

Allied Aircraft Purchase Guide

General The following is a description of the Allied Aircraft Purchase (AAP) system and how to use it. This system was developed as a way to allow the Allied player to exchange Political Points (PPs) for additional airframes, granting a degree of flexibility in the face of a changing theatre.

The Bases The system adds 5 new ‘non-map’ bases, completely removed from play, which exist purely to store the purchasable squadrons. They are kept at these bases to ensure that they are not accidentally used or moved by the player. The 5 bases are split between USAAF, USN/USMC, British/Indian, Commonwealth and Minor (China & Dutch) nationalities. The bases are located to the east of the continental US.
These bases cannot be accessed by clicking on them and instead the steps described below must be used to access them and their air groups.
Air Groups corresponding to the bases nationality will arrive throughout the war. To access the bases, use the ‘Bases’ list at the top of the game interface (the white star on a green background) to open a list of bases in the game. The ‘purchase’ bases have their names enclosed by round brackets, making them easy to find at the top of the bases list.


You can access the air groups by clicking on the base in this list, and then going to the ‘air groups at this base’ list.



Alternatively, simply going to the ‘land based air groups’ list from the main interface (the plane icon on the green background) will also let you find these air groups, as they also have their names enclosed in round brackets, making them easy to find at the top of the air group list.

The Air Groups Each of the purchasable air groups falls into one of 4 categories, depending on the type and number of airframes and when they arrive. These categories are;
- Reserve, representing obsolete or second rate aircraft already out of production. Abbreviated RES or R. - Additional, representing aircraft in production and available to the Pacific theatre. Abbreviated ADD or A. - Divert, representing aircraft in production mainly for other theatres than the Pacific. Abbreviated DIV or D. - Prototype/Preproduction, for limited aircraft available before large scale production. Abbreviated PRT or P.

This classification forms part of the air group name, with the abbreviated designation at the end. USAAF and USN/MC air groups use the longer abbreviation, and British/Commonwealth ones use the short one.

Therefore a (P-40E ADD) would designate additional P-40Es for purchase. Likewise, a (B-17E DIV) would represent B17E airframes diverted from the ETO.



In addition, each squadron has a ‘release cost’, which is listed as part of the group commander’s name. In the case of the P-40B squadron above, this is 100PP. This is the amount of PPs that the Allied player must pay to release the aircraft from this unit (in this case 12 P-40Bs).










To release a squadron, the Allied player simply changes the ‘##PP Release’ leader to a regular one, in the process paying (approximately) the stated number of PPs.








After this is done, to release the airframes to the pool, the Allied player ‘disbands’ the squadron, telling it not to reform. This results in the 12 P40Bs being placed into the aircraft replacement pool, and the ‘purchasable’ squadron is completely removed from play.
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants
Do you know you can use PP to purchase more fighters?
Yes. Sadly so far there are only two groups I'd purchase. Take a look:
I am short on PPs right now. but might purchase the P-40Bs in a turn or two.
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The Airacobra is a pretty good low level fighter, if you really need fighters. Stack your Buffalo Is,B-339s, or P40s around 15k and set the P39s to 10k. The P39 performs well in the low layer cap role.
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ORIGINAL: Dirtnap86
The Airacobra is a pretty good low level fighter, if you really need fighters. Stack your Buffalo Is,B-339s, or P40s around 15k and set the P39s to 10k. The P39 performs well in the low layer cap role.
Thanks for the info. Not used to the Allied planes yet. Will purchase them then!
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Jan 6, 1942

Last turn was very decent, except in the air. I am losing the air war as my esteemed opponent started sweeping and bombing bases. To be expected, and I am thankful for the previous respite, as it allowed me to rack up some air kills.

Cam Ranh Bay is now a level-7 port, which means it can now reload torpedoes, IIRC.

I lost Oroquieta, Kluong, Port Dickson and Sambas. I also lost CM Ogala and DM Montgommery to an enterprising IJN sub SW of Pearl. On the good side, there are now three CVE conversions going on in the West Coast.

Pilot losses were once again heavy. I am training lots of pilots of course, and not only in the training squadrons, but these losses hurt.



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The turn's losses were very heavy and, although overall I gave a bit more than I got, I am not in good shape, especially in the fighters department, as I lost 36 fighters to Japan's alleged 31 (most probably less). That about half were Zeroes is good for the Allies, though.

I am following advice and have started to purchase fighters, and will continue to do so, to offset the high losses. Bomber pools are decent at his point.

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Total air losses still favor me, though, which I find unusual for this stage of the war. My esteemed opponent is learning fast, though, so I am not resting in my laurels. The Banshees were a nasty surprise for him, but surprises wear out. I need to keep thinking outside the box.

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Palembang

Japanese amphibious TFs have left, no doubt to go pick up the second wave somewhere. Japan has 31K men, 160 guns and 12 AFVs. I have an AV of 371, plus 140 more entering the fray this turn. There are also 36 40mm Bofors moving towards Palembang at this point. Port and Airfield are undamaged, fighters are flying CAP, and there is not much more I can do for the time being.

One thing to note. I now have 65 engineer squads there, with another 28 arriving. If and when I lose the base, the destruction is probably going to be ugly.

Japanese losses so far:

Squads: 98 destroyed, 346 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 109 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 30 disabled
Guns lost: 9 destroyed, 48 disabled
Vehicles lost: 17 destroyed, 4 disabled
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The Philippines

The Catalinas finally left Cagayan, at least the ones that still could. They spent their time there flying troops in from other islands, but now the Japanese have arrived, supply is low, and I don't want to have to pay PPs to get the squadrons back... and empty! Current devenders of Cagayan have an AV of 346 (not that the Philippinos are great troops, but they die slower when concentrated), and fort level is 2.

Clark Field

The defense there is about to be reinforced by a full Philippino division coming from Iba via Subic Bay. Since the Japanese currently number 5140 troops and 27 guns, that should be good enough for the time being.

Manila

Custer's... err... McArthur's last stand in the Philippines. Enemy troops number 14 units, with 15660 men, 179 guns and 52 AV. No enough to take the city yet. I think Falken did not expect Luzon's defense to be centered there, and that will make him lose precious time while he gathers more troops for the assault. There 4840 men and 30 guns in two units moving out of Legaspi, for example, that will take time to get to the fighting. It is also my bet that the IJA 38th Inf Div plus artillery from Hong Kong is being downloaded in Iba and, as it is a lvl 2 port, it will take a while to get all the heavy stuff out of the ships. Currently there are 4 units there, and color is darkish.
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Jan 8, 1942

Allied fighters continue to fall in droves, although for some reason TOTAL (reported) air losses still favor the Allies.

Manila finally reached fort level 3. While it has supplies, it should not be a pushover. Diamond Harbor now has fort level 2 and still building, just in case.

Cagayan's fortifications are down to zero, and supplies are very low. The base will fall soon. I also lost a number of the smaller bases: Culion, Batu Pahat, Kuala Lumpur, Jesselton, Finschaffen, and Talaud-eilanden.

Pilot losses continue to climb. I must decide when to cut my losses short and withdraw whatever decent pilots I can... I don't have airframes for them anymore!

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fighter losses are getting to the point (28 to 15!) where I am seriously considering withdrawing the fighters just so that I don't give away free training to the Japanese. The only thought against that is that it would give enemy bombers a free hand, and their aim would improve, destroying my meager supply depots quicker. Decisions... decisions...

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The only consolation is that the two most shot down planes so far are Japanese: Mr. Zero and Ms. Betty. Also, total losses are not that terrible. But I can't sustain this rate of attrition... or at least I think I can't.
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Defend over your own bases only. You will make lots of aircraft but skilled pilots are hard to find in the first six months. Make him lose his while you keep yours. When the squadron has no operational aircraft left, withdraw it to save the pilots.
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Defend over your own bases only. You will make lots of aircraft but skilled pilots are hard to find in the first six months. Make him lose his while you keep yours. When the squadron has no operational aircraft left, withdraw it to save the pilots.
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DEI:

Palembang saw a quiet day. I would have attacked, were it not for the fact that there are tiny parts of the 18th British Inf Div moving towards the base still, and thus I can't reform the division. It was THE time for a counterattack, but I didn't risk it. I do not think I will have the opportunity again.

I had to withdraw all planes from Batavia, as constant air bombing has rendered the airfield almost inoperable. Fortunately damaged planes could be moved by rail. A landing in Java feels imminent. I will try to hit as hard as I can when it comes, but I won't have much left after that.

Philippines

Catalinas fled Cagayan. With only 500 supplies left, and enemies numbering almost 14k troops, with 156 guns and 45 AFVs, the base will soon fall. I tried to make it as hard as possible, but Davao is doomed.

Clark Field was attacked once again by almost 5k troops and some guns, but held. A large enemy unit has reached Subic Bay, and the base will be lost this coming turn. Manila is still strong, though, destroying guns and vehicles every time the enemy bombards it, but it is only a matter of time. The question is... how long? The other question is... how much industry will be destroyed in the process? The repair yard, thanks to the aerial port attacks is now 16 damaged out of 20.

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