Korut Zelva vs Taxman66: Battle of the newbie

[KorutZelva]

Based on the flag type in the script, I am pretty sure the 4-6% is a one time bonus only if the USSR is activated. This one is not a bug, it's WAD.

The iraq one and isolationist bug are legit bugs though that hosed the allies. I don't get the pop-up for the isolationist anymore however, did you find a safe place to stash the offending ships?

[Taxman66]

I'm responding from work on my phone during breaks: So no, nor will I. I now have 3 US ships as the CV Ranger is on the board, and in need of 3 turns of prep (x2 reinforcement x1 upgrade).

The isolationist bug has hit at least 4 times (both of us receiving 2 pop ups). In addition to the 4-12% (and I know it is at a minimum of 6%), The US missed out on auto increases when over 90%. It would have been in the war before the last diplo hit.

[KorutZelva]

Fine fine, I'll remove my diplo chits...

If it makes you feel better from all those buggy shenanigans I purposefully didn't spend more research in sub than the starting tech chit because it was known the ASW didn't work as intended as the current 1.10 version of the game.

I'm a gentleman like that. But not gentleman enough to admit upfront I was purposefully staying my hand to prevent you to overspend on the battle of the Atlantic. [;)]

[Taxman66]

I'm sorry, that is not acceptable to me.
A DOW vs. the USA on your next turn would be the barest minimum in my view. Even with that I doubt I can stop the USSR from falling.

The USA should be in.
I shouldn't have had to spend 450 MPP last turn on diplo chits, and very likely not the 300 I spent the turn before that. I've also lost those turns of full US production vs. pre-war production.

I've also lost 250-300 early war MPP due to the Iraq bug (on top of my stupidity for letting it happen, but I'm only counting losses due to bugs).

If you want to counter that you wouldn't have spent the 1500-1650 that you did in chits, then the USA would have likely been in the war in November 1941.

Having said that, you would still be winning. I'm not doubting that.

I'm not at your skill level yet and significantly more ignorant about variety of (game related) subjects.

[KorutZelva]

alright, alright...

Frankly, in hindsight I think I would have preferred the USA joining in November and keeping my diplo money. :0)

[johanssb]

Regular CVs no. Escort CVs are good sub killers.

[johanssb]

It can be quite easy to take the big 3 cities in 41, depending on what you built of course. No need to add mobility to your corps or armies. Tanks, Mech, Air and HQs are the keys.

[KorutZelva]

ORIGINAL: johanssb

It can be quite easy to take the big 3 cities in 41, depending on what you built of course. No need to add mobility to your corps or armies. Tanks, Mech, Air and HQs are the keys.

well, yeah I guess I can too. Provided I launch barbarossa in june '40 (right before the baltic state annexation and after rejecting molotov ribbentrop) with france already in the bag. But that's against the AI. [:D]

[Taxman66]

Allied Turn: March 4, 1942

A trap set by the UK in southern Iraq does not go off as planned. The Kiwis and Indians, left over from the Iraq coup conflict,
had set up in southern Iraq hoping a weak Italian corps, or perhaps the German recon unit would scoot down to claim the area and
get ambushed. The second part, also known as the pie in the sky hopeful part, was for the main German/Italian force to continue into
northern Iraq and Persia while the 2 Commonwealth units would race up and retake Bagdad and cut the supply to the axis forces.

Alas it is the Italian armor unit that sets off the trap (taking 1 dmg) and worse Rommel's Panzers are briefly spotted before they
back up (presumably to reequip with the long barreled Panzer III & IVs.

In the Atlantic things are going better. One of the subs runs in stealth mode and tries to slowly slip further east in the North Sea, but
scout planes from UK carriers spot her recharging her batteries on the surface (i.e. they were still within visibility range of the CV).

The other sub surrounded near Scotland suffers the death of a thousand cuts and finally goes down. The one that was trying to sneak away
is crippled but not killed.

A third sub is again found by the Salmon on the UK to Soviet line further north from the other two. The DD partnering with the Salmon
is called in, and forcers her off the line.

All's quiet on the Eastern front, there is no strength or contact to make any kind of winter offensive.

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Got a 5th false hit of US Isolationists.

Boy moving (i.e. operating) the Siberians is expensive!!

In regard to your regret/hindsight comment about spending the MPP to keep the US out, that is why I was shocked when told me how much
you had spent.

[KorutZelva]

the great mop-up operation begins...

[Taxman66]

How many breakthroughs in tanks did you get?

I got 1 in USSR INF weapons when I was already at about 70%.

[KorutZelva]

I'm not sure. But a tank chit was my first buy.

Tank level 3 was a 45+% breakthrough though.

I had finished last turn at 99% for level 4... sux because I would have preferred to refit when it was still mud all over.
Still, at least I'm on track for level 5 for spring 1943...

[Taxman66]

Allied Turn: April 5, 1942

Badly wounded USSR Army evacuates out of the little port town west of Rostov.

UK forces put up decent resistance in Southern Iraq, but are clearly outmatched not having caught the Germans
by Surprise and begin to evacuate.

2 Italian Battleships are observed heading into the Atlantic past Gibraltar.
Spanish forces, including an Army and light tanks move near Gibraltar.

The badly wounded sub manages to slip through the gauntlet surrounding it somehow.

The other sub further north ambushes a light cruiser but is then set upon itself and reduced to strength 6 and 3 supply.

Polish troops interned in the USSR are offered their freedom, and a chance to exact revenge on the Germans, if they
will fight under the Soviet flag. They accept.


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Tried to get a screenshot of the Income screen, but under pressure hit the wrong button-combo so instead it clicked off before I could read it.
I don't recall seeing any red, so I think the convoy lines (what few remain, but including the all important US->UK and UK->USSR) were clean.

[KorutZelva]

mid-April 1942 will be know as the great tank refit of '42.

Weather is crap in Ukraine so the timing is good.

Made it to the outskirts of Leningrad where russian hockey players (engineers) holds the southern fort

Thightning up the noose on Moskov from west and south...

OKW comes to the realization the romanians will need some air support to take the Sevastopol fortress

[Taxman66]

Allied Turn: April 27, 1942

Couldn't stop the German armor at lvl 3, and nothing has improved while the Germans are now at 4.

Worse, the Soviet fighters are now getting severely outclassed as well. Taking big hits from German fighter
escorts and rarely doing anything back. German bombers are often scoring hits on Soviet Fighters without getting
hurt as well.

Can't stop the armor, can't stop or slow down the air power, can't afford to build more HQs to help the INF.

Wallies are too weak to do much of anything offensive to help out the Soviets.
I think the Wallies will win the naval engagement if/when the Axis ever decide to commit to it.
Maybe they're out in the middle of the Atlantic expecting to hit Transports or Long Range Amphibs?


Enigma code breakers lead to discovery of a German Destroyer off the coast of Denmark. A carrier strike was ordered and the planes
discovered the previously badly wounded sub. Another Carrier strike finished off the sub.

The sub on the Soviet convoy line tried to escape and ran into 2 motor torpedo boats. She was subsequently sunk by Destroyers.

That's 5 German subs and may have accounted for all of them.

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Still didn't get a look at the production results. It flashed on/off, this time without my pushing any buttons. Maybe something
in the background forced it off?

No Tech at the end of the turn... so, meh [:(]

Kinda in 'just playing this out' mode.
It's very frustrating.

[KorutZelva]

I can offer generous peace terms.

Redo of brest-litovsk?

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May 8th 1942

Vichy conquered
Took down a heavy cruiser in the atlantic... but it's about to be painful for the german navy unless weather sours
New tank cut through Russians as advertised...
Germans on the march...
Gibraltar under heavy pressure
Kuwait and Southern Iraq-Persia under full Axis control.



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More seriously... If the rest of the game is going to be chinese water torture, we don't have to continue. We can jump straight to a mirror match. [;)]

[Taxman66]

I'm not sure that would be any better.
I struggle vs. the AI allies. Too much spending on Tech as Germany I suppose.

[KorutZelva]

I dunno. If you look at my tech expenses it couldn't be that far off to what you do. It's a viable strategy.

But it's up to you.

[Taxman66]

I'll keep playing this game for now, at least through the end of the current year.
Unless you can get the Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow and Baku before then.

[nnason]

Is the 1-2% trickle documented anywhere? Will this work in 1940/41?

PS: The friendly banter of this thread was fun for those of us watching.

This tread is instructive so I have provided it to another newby.

Another thread that is really instructive is:
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