Frozen frogs! Stef78 (axis) Stelteck (Russia) - Stelteck welcome

[thedoctorking]

Still, astounding that you're fighting along the Volga and within a few kilometers of the Caspian in 1943. Hitler's dream.

[STEF78]

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Still, astounding that you're fighting along the Volga and within a few kilometers of the Caspian in 1943. Hitler's dream.

It will be the last summer on the caspian beaches...

[STEF78]

Turn 107, 1st july 1943

Good news from the South, our line holds in Sochi...



.. and in eastern Caucasus. always impressed with russian losses...



Minor attacks east of lake Elton Stalingrad

[STEF78]

As usual, multiple attacks are required, but we have to give ground. I don't like it...



Strong counterattack north of tambov



And heavy fights east of Moscow. Our level of forts is slowly but surely decreaing... New record, more than 6000 guns involved in a single attack [:(]

[STEF78]

Turn 108, 8th july 1943

In the South, nothing new. Usual (slow) russian progress near Sochi...



... and fierce battles north of Baku. A stack of 3 german infs isn't able to block russian advance.... annoying.



Some attacks/counterattacks near lake Elton



The bad news occured in Tambov. a strong russian blow almost created an encirclement... another new record, more than 1900 AFV involved in a single attack [:(]



We have to gather several Pzd to re-establish the frontline

[STEF78]

Turn 109, 15th july 1943

Well, it should be the beginning of the Kursk battle... we are fighting some miles away.

In the South an overwiew of the frontline, we have 2 dictinct areas of fights and between a huge no man's land



Heavy fights around Tambov and more than 2000 russian AFV in a single fight !!!



and a view of german Pzd/Mot units. German mobile units will have to fight hard during this summer to prevent a significant russian breakthrough.

[Twigster]

... and fierce battles north of Baku. A stack of 3 german infs isn't able to block russian advance.... annoying.

Annoying perhaps but...Holy Cow! Looking at what was thrown at them-twice- what were they supposed to do after their fortifications were gone in a Clear hex? Judging by the losses I'd say they made the Reds pay dearly.

Sergeant Steiner is never around when you need him, I guess. (see the film, Cross of Iron).

[STEF78]

You're right but 3 infs divs with level 3.10 is what I can get as best defence except Pzd or Mot units.

And I don't like that, early july 1943, they cannot resist more than a single turn....

They did the job, but it was not enough. I will have to duplicate Steiner 1 000 000 times...

[Crackaces]

I did notice some defense in good forts without Art SU's ..concentrating on flak .. the rules seem to indicate this is a big plus with more accurate fire leading to more disruption ..
I am thinking it is worth the investment of selecting Art SU's for your units in forts => 2? (Rather than flak?)

[Twigster]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I did notice some defense in good forts without Art SU's ..concentrating on flak .. the rules seem to indicate this is a big plus with more accurate fire leading to more disruption ..
I am thinking it is worth the investment of selecting Art SU's for your units in forts => 2? (Rather than flak?)

But then there's that the LW Mixed Flak SUs can contribute to defense against armor also- think 88s.

[Twigster]

ORIGINAL: STEF78

You're right but 3 infs divs with level 3.10 is what I can get as best defence except Pzd or Mot units.

And I don't like that, early july 1943, they cannot resist more than a single turn....

They did the job, but it was not enough. I will have to duplicate Steiner 1 000 000 times...

I do understand. But on that second attack your defenders were outgunned nearly 3-1 in arty and 50-1 in AFVs and they took out nearly 80 AFVs and a decent number of planes, that is what stood out to me.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Twigster

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

I did notice some defense in good forts without Art SU's ..concentrating on flak .. the rules seem to indicate this is a big plus with more accurate fire leading to more disruption ..
I am thinking it is worth the investment of selecting Art SU's for your units in forts => 2? (Rather than flak?)

But then there's that the LW Mixed Flak SUs can contribute to defense against armor also- think 88s.

Tha 80 AFV’s probably was the best CV reduction vs potential Infantry dispursion .. However I am not sure what would maximize the end adjusted CV ?
I believe the Soviets could take such losses and knock on Betlin’s Door while I think the Germans really want to hold hexes for as long as possible...

[Twigster]

However I am not sure what would maximize the end adjusted CV ?

Good question. But sure, I of course understand the Red Army at this point is basically one big damage sponge, a steam roller. And he's annoyed that the Sovs blew through the best defense he could muster at that location- I get it. I would just like to see the full details of the fight in that hex though.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Twigster
battle wold

However I am not sure what would maximize the end adjusted CV ?

Good question. But sure, I of course understand the Red Army at this point is basically one big damage sponge, a steam roller. And he's annoyed that the Sovs blew through the best defense he could muster at that location- I get it. I would just like to see the full details of the fight in that hex though.

Look at the post in 424 and 425 .. I realize this is oranges and apples ..but howitzers in a panzer division with a fort vs. a rifle corps and a lot of artillery results in a hold . Soviet tanks no artillery results in a retreat .. so .. in the second battle with armor vs infantry is anti tank the answer or artillery given the fort?
The answer given programing of the game might not be as intuitive as once thought ...

[Twigster]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: Twigster
battle wold

However I am not sure what would maximize the end adjusted CV ?

Good question. But sure, I of course understand the Red Army at this point is basically one big damage sponge, a steam roller. And he's annoyed that the Sovs blew through the best defense he could muster at that location- I get it. I would just like to see the full details of the fight in that hex though.

Look at the post in 424 and 425 .. I realize this is oranges and apples ..but howitzers in a panzer division with a fort vs. a rifle corps and a lot of artillery results in a hold . Soviet tanks no artillery results in a retreat .. so .. in the second battle with armor vs infantry is anti tank the answer or artillery given the fort?
The answer given programing of the game might not be as intuitive as once thought ...

To be sure, perhaps not. The screenshot does not show us all of the SUs involved though; I think he did still have the howitzers attached to the 205th and we don't know what else at this point.

[STEF78]

Turn 110, 22th july 1943

Bloody week, more and more areas involved in fights...

The OOB are still mighty. Above 4,4M men for german army, above 8M men for the soviets



Beginning from the South, nothing new near Sochi...



and usual heavy fights north of Baku...



Situation is becoming instable around lake Elton...

[STEF78]

some units are fighting for several weeks and TOE is badly affected



Pressure is increasing west of Saratov



Heroic resistance to keep Tambov linked with our lines...



Situation is re established



.. and South of Moscow...

[chaos45]

Looks like you really need to give 6th panzer div a week to refit and rest.

[STEF78]

ORIGINAL: chaos45

Looks like you really need to give 6th panzer div a week to refit and rest.

true! but Stelteck isn't cooperative ... and LAH, you see it on the Tambov screen close from the 6th pzd, will be sent back to Germany

I noticed that a full week even on rail isn't enough to set the TOE back to 100%. I had near Stalingrad 2 pzk fighting intensively in june and july and they had to refit due to a strategical redeployment. They required 2 weeks to be back at full strength.

And a bonus as we have some much fight areas. I forgot this one, West of Ryazan.

[STEF78]

Turn 111, 29th july 1943

WWI continues in eastern Caucasus. I keep on counterattacking every time it's possible, despite losses.



Another hot spot around lake Elton. Our forts are slowly decreasing



Heavy fights west of Saratov. In fact it will be soon faster to name quiet areas...