NordKapp

[Shadrach]

They may be family - but you still don't completely trust 'em [:D]

[Dr. Foo]

Looking closely at the S&T game, I'm wondering if it's scenario blanching, or reality that all the F-111's and B-52's in the UK would be unavailable for Norway.

I get it, the scenario assumes there is a greater war in Europe and NordKapp is a sideshow, but still, as one NATO observer noted, “World War III may not be won on the northern flank, but it could definitely be lost there.” Surely, NATO would put more airpower there, at least some F-111's.

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink

ORIGINAL: Shadrach

Hey we're still peed off at the Swedes for letting the troop trains through during the war. So I doubt they'll do anything that stupid again. Although, you never know with the Swedes, man... [8D]

I never understood the animosities - after all: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_svensk-norske_union... you are like... cousins for Pete's sake. Kinda like the Germans, Austrians and the Swiss, no? The Nordic Wars of 1700s are over, Stian, no?

Klink, Oberst

Some family reunions are like WW3. [;)]

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: Dr. Foo

Looking closely at the S&T game, I'm wondering if it's scenario blanching, or reality that all the F-111's and B-52's in the UK would be unavailable for Norway.

I get it, the scenario assumes there is a greater war in Europe and NordKapp is a sideshow, but still, as one NATO observer noted, “World War III may not be won on the northern flank, but it could definitely be lost there.” Surely, NATO would put more airpower there, at least some F-111's.

Not seen this scenario but I would expect to see at least one carrier group from one of the NATO countries.

[Dr. Foo]

ORIGINAL: Lobster


Not seen this scenario but I would expect to see at least one carrier group from one of the NATO countries.

All you get from the UK is one USAF F-15, F-16 and F-4 squadron. From the RAF one squadron of Jaguars and AV-8B. No Tornado's or F-111. The game states that a larger war has broken out in Europe and naval action is taking place around the GIUK gap. Norway, has F-16 and F-105's.

So I'm guessing NATO would be stretched thin. The Soviet's have an impressive array of air superiority and ground attack aircraft.

[Oberst_Klink]

ORIGINAL: Dr. Foo

ORIGINAL: Lobster


Not seen this scenario but I would expect to see at least one carrier group from one of the NATO countries.

All you get from the UK is one USAF F-15, F-16 and F-4 squadron. From the RAF one squadron of Jaguars and AV-8B. No Tornado's or F-111. The game states that a larger war has broken out in Europe and naval action is taking place around the GIUK gap. Norway, has F-16 and F-105's.

So I'm guessing NATO would be stretched thin. The Soviet's have an impressive array of air superiority and ground attack aircraft.

Something you can read through which I dug out the archives, Magnum.

https://forum.soldf.com/topic/38836-usm ... ent-685647

and here an OOB of NATO, alas it's from 1989.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b6xfbfxyrgi3w ... 8.doc?dl=0

Klink, Oberst

[larryfulkerson]

All you get from the UK is one USAF F-15, F-16 and F-4 squadron. From the RAF one squadron of Jaguars and AV-8B. No Tornado's or F-111. The game states that a larger war has broken out in Europe and naval action is taking place around the GIUK gap. Norway, has F-16 and F-105's.

I thought that the time period for this scenario was after 1975 or so and that by then
the F-105's would have long been retired from the scene. F-100's went bye-bye in
1972 followed by the F-105's sometime thereafter.

[Oberst_Klink]

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

All you get from the UK is one USAF F-15, F-16 and F-4 squadron. From the RAF one squadron of Jaguars and AV-8B. No Tornado's or F-111. The game states that a larger war has broken out in Europe and naval action is taking place around the GIUK gap. Norway, has F-16 and F-105's.

I thought that the time period for this scenario was after 1975 or so and that by then
the F-105's would have long been retired from the scene. F-100's went bye-bye in
1972 followed by the F-105's sometime thereafter.

Most likely F-5 are meant, not F-105.
The Royal Norwegian Air Force received 108 Freedom Fighters: 16 RF-5A, 78 F-5A and 14 F-5B. The first 64 were received as military aid. They were in use by several squadrons, the first and last being 336 Squadron receiving the first aircraft in February 1966 (formal handing-over ceremony a month later), and deactivating in August 2000. Three aircraft were kept flying until 2007, serving with Kongsberg Defence & Aerospace for tests in the "Eye of the Tiger"-programme, developing a new seeker head for Naval Strike Missile and Joint Strike Missile. The aircraft received under military aid were handed off to Greece and Turkey. Of the aircraft bought by the Norwegian government, nine were used in exchange with U.S. authorities for submarines of the Kobben class.[92] In October 2011 five F-5A single seaters were given to aircraft maintenance schools around the country; including Skedsmo, Sola, Bodø and Bardufoss high schools, and the Royal Norwegian Air Force's training center at Kristiansand Airport, Kjevik. The aircraft were disassembled at Moss Airport, Rygge before delivery to the schools. Of the ten remaining Norwegian F-5s, eight F-5B two-seaters were still for sale as of 2011, six of whom were stored in Norway and two in the United States. The two aircraft in the United States had been approved for sale to the American businessman Ross Perot Jr. in 2008, but the deal was blocked by the US government.[93] Three survivors are exhibited at the Norwegian Armed Forces Aircraft Collection, two at Norsk Luftfartsmuseum in Bodø and one at Flyhistorisk Museum, Sola, near Stavanger.

See - http://www.the-northrop-f-5-enthusiast- ... Units.html

Klink, Oberst

[Shadrach]

I used to bike past this one on my way to school:
https://www.google.com/maps/@59.973275, ... 312!8i6656
[8D]

[Oberst_Klink]

ORIGINAL: Shadrach

I used to bike past this one on my way to school:
https://www.google.com/maps/@59.973275, ... 312!8i6656
[8D]

Really looks so nice and peaceful there... not, how shall I put it... like, you know what I mean, Stian. So tempted to visit Norway, but how much is a 0,5l can of beer at a supermarket or a draft at a boozer?

Klink, Oberst

[DanNeely]

IIRC Norway's a really expensive place to visit.

[Oberst_Klink]

ORIGINAL: DanNeely

IIRC Norway's a really expensive place to visit.

Just did some research... about $3.5/€2.95 a can of 0,5l beer :0 2x-checked DK as well and thanks to ALDI not that high. B*llocks LOL. For me as a beer drinker, well... But I'll try to visit NO this year!

Klink, Oberst

[Shadrach]

For sure, alcohol is expensive, mostly due to high taxes on the sale - because we don't want to end up like Russia in terms of consumption - partly because of generally high salaries. Sale of alcohol higher than 5 percent is limited to the state monopoly, but there's been talk of allowing sale of wine under 10 percent in shops.

Having a 0.5l of beer out on town in Oslo can easily cost you around $10, but there are always cheaper places. The micro-breweries are great but obviously also very expensive. There are cheap beer-places on the 'bad' side of town though, I like those.

Hey if you come to Norway, be sure to go in summer - but you will still probably be cold and wet most of the time [:'(]

And if you're looking for war history, go to Tromsø, Narvik, Rjukan (site of the famous heavy water mission). Maybe cross over into Russia (if you dare) and see the battle sites. Or get a car, drive over the mountains, to see the fjords in your own time and not be herded about like sheep to the souvenir shops.

But yeah... expensive for tourists. I have a suspicion tourists say Norway is "Beautiful, Lovely, Wunderschön" is because they don't want to admit they paid so much money to be cold, wet and miserable, just to watch a bunch of mountains covered in fog... [:)]

[jmlima]

ORIGINAL: Dr. Foo

ORIGINAL: mccartyg

Talk about prompt service! Looks like the original TOAW scenario and probably even the boardgame lack realistic naval invasions which you could improve on. USSR had at least one brigade of naval infantry just waiting to pounce on Narvik. Perfect scenario idea to represent the new naval warfare stuff.

I agree this looks like a fun game. The TOAW COW game is not quite the board game, it's 5km per hex and half day turns with several additional units. I want to design a game more faithful to the board game. I may need to purchase the original Strategy & Tactics game from EBay.

I did the TOAW scenario and had the magazine back in the day. As far as I can remember , the mag game was pretty crappy. I certainly recall that the change in scale is because the 10km/hex scale only made sense in the original game in order to fit the map in the magazine max map size, it made absolutely no sense with the unit/time-scales involved. The changes in units are because I did quite a bit of research on the OOBs and wanted to introduce some variant units, etc.

If I'm brutally honest, it's not a great situation to simulate at this scale, it's much more suited to a more tactical simulation of the several battles within the battle.