Panzergruppe Guderian?

Kent Pfeiffer · Post by **Kent Pfeiffer** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 2:24 am

When Matrix originally annouced they would be publishing Korsun Pocket, there was talk that it would include the additional scenarios of TAO3, Panzergruppe Guderian, and (I think?) Malta. I gather the game is now only going to include KP and TAO3. Any hope the Panzergruppe Guderian scenario will appear sometime in the future?

BrubakerII · Post by **BrubakerII** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:29 am

Hi Kent

I have no idea what you are talking about

The game we are testing has several Korsun scenarios and a single Ardennes campaign. What is this 'PGG'?

Brubaker

Rob Gjessing · Post by **Rob Gjessing** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:09 am

Originally posted by Kent Pfeiffer
When Matrix originally annouced they would be publishing Korsun Pocket, there was talk that it would include the additional scenarios of TAO3, Panzergruppe Guderian, and (I think?) Malta. I gather the game is now only going to include KP and TAO3. Any hope the Panzergruppe Guderian scenario will appear sometime in the future?

Panzergruppe Gauderian and Malta will not be part of the KP Release.. nor will all of the original TAO2 scenarios.

I think the fanbase community will take care of converting the TAO2 scenarios over to TAO3/KP. Infact Chris Merchant has already made a bit of a start.

SSG are planning further releases under the Decisive Battles of World War II banner... which may or may not see the two battles you have mentioned being released.

I dont know how much should be said about future releases here though.. (I dont know if Matrix will be publishing them, so it may not be fair to discuss it here - plus SSG havent really made any firm announcements about anything yet)

Check out Wacht am Rhein for future info.

Kent Pfeiffer · Post by **Kent Pfeiffer** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 7:34 am

Originally posted by BrubakerII
Hi Kent

I have no idea what you are talking about The game we are testing has several Korsun scenarios and a single Ardennes campaign. What is this 'PGG'?

Brubaker

Found it, by Peter Fisla almost two years ago:

Originally posted by Peter Fisla
The Ardennes Offensive scenario will be included in Korsun Pocket (TAO3). With the build that I have seen 5 months ago it had the following scenarios (of course not in complete form): The Ardennes Offensive, Korsun Pocket, Malta, PanzerGruppe Guderian. I don't have the old build anymore but when I will have something new to look at I will let you know more.

Peter

Panzergruppe Guderian is the name of one of the all-time great board wargames released by SPI in the late 70's and re-released by AH in the early 80's. It covers the Battle of Smolensk in the summer of 1941. If you've never heard of it, you don't deserve to call yourself a wargamer.

BrubakerII · Post by **BrubakerII** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:07 pm

Hi Kent - thanks for the info.

It is not that I hadn't heard of PGG, I meant only in the KP arena. I see now that Peter spoke of this stuff as you say eons ago. Well done to dig that up.

Brubaker

Nickel · Post by **Nickel** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 6:29 pm

Hey Kent, well done also. I happen to be one of those SPI dinosaurs. I actually have a copy of the game. It is a cool scenario.

Rob Gjessing · Post by **Rob Gjessing** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:14 am

You have a copy of that game.. wow.. do you have the box and or manual.. can you tell who programmed the game?

Nickel · Post by **Nickel** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 4:49 am

Sorry, my copy of this game dates back to the time before computer games. This is a real paper map board game. I can supply you with info about the designers. Didn't mean to mislead.

Spaceman · Post by **Spaceman** » Tue Jul 22, 2003 9:27 pm

Apropos Noting, I have the 'old style' Gamers' Guderian's Blitzkreig II, which covers the battle for Moscow 1941- 1943. It is excellent fun, what I need to distract me from the eternal wait for Korsun Pocket.

*exasperated sigh*

Space§man:o

John Pancoast · Post by **John Pancoast** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:34 am

Originally posted by Kent Pfeiffer
Found it, by Peter Fisla almost two years ago:

Panzergruppe Guderian is the name of one of the all-time great board wargames released by SPI in the late 70's and re-released by AH in the early 80's. It covers the Battle of Smolensk in the summer of 1941. If you've never heard of it, you don't deserve to call yourself a wargamer.

"lurking status off".......

Actually have a game of that setup as we speak, the AH version.
Got it years ago, still a hoot.

John

BrubakerII · Post by **BrubakerII** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 4:51 am

I think SSG had one of their own games Panzer Battles based in that setting as well didn't they?

Panzer Battles

Brubaker

owens641 · Post by **owens641** » Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:01 pm

Bit of wargaming history trivia........AH did a computer version of PGG in the mid- to late-80s. I remember playing it on my Atari 800XL. It was one of their better computer efforts (i.e., it wasn't a complete disaster) that captured the feel of the boardgame pretty well. After a few play throughs as the rampaging Germans you realized the AI wasn't that challenging though. Playing the Russians was challenging for a couple of rounds until you realized the AI was programmed to take the objectives in a rigid sequence and you could just glom all the Russians at an early objective and not bother to guard Smolensk. I believe there was only the one scenario, so interest waned.

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