Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[GildedDawn]

2 things:

First, I found an error in the database for the F-15E Strike Eagle, USAF 2016 AIM-120D. I assume the aircraft is supposed to be equipped with the AIM-9X, which it is on all loadouts except for "GBU-28C/B GPS/LGB [BLU-122B], Sniper XR Pod [FLIR]," which is equipped with the AIM-9M. I did not check if the error was present for other years.

The other thing is I would appreciate it if air-to-air missile capability was added to Russian helicopters. None of the helicopters currently in the database with the Russian Air Force or Navy include any air-to-air missile, and I know that at least some of their helicopters can and do carry them, at least the Igla. It would be useful for a scenario I am currently designing.

Thanks!

[Filitch]

ORIGINAL: GildedDawn

The other thing is I would appreciate it if air-to-air missile capability was added to Russian helicopters. None of the helicopters currently in the database with the Russian Air Force or Navy include any air-to-air missile, and I know that at least some of their helicopters can and do carry them, at least the Igla. It would be useful for a scenario I am currently designing.

Thanks!

This request requires a proofs. I help you. But you should hold breath (or be a patience). Because this is not a first request to update soviet/russian helos. For example: fb.asp?m=4281160 . Withtime half-year database still is not corrected.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/mi24v.html Mi-24V carries 2xR-60 AAM
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/mi24vm.html Mi-24VM 2х9М39 Igla-V
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/ka52.html Ka-52 2x2х9М39 Igla-V
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/ka502.html 2(x2)х9М39 Igla-V
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/ah/mi35m.html Mi-35M 2х9М39 Igla-V

[GildedDawn]

I'm not sure if it was obvious or painfully obvious that I'm new at this, but thank you. And I was not expecting it to happen overnight.

[KLAB]

The Web pages don't actually prove anything. You'd need photos of operational machines with the missiles.
From the book Gator on the RISE (don't have it with me or I'd quote page etc) the AAM loads are very much proof of concept and PR shots at air shows rather than something in operational use.
It's a whole other lengthy discourse about the Ataka Shturm and Vikhr missile most of which are adrift in the DB. I ran out of steam with that research when it became clear there are multiple versions of the Ataka etc and the Vikhr was in service then taken out of service then put back into service with a new contract in 2013. Bit of an epic tale...

[Filitch]

Mi-8 with R-60 http://archive.attaches.forums.a0z.ru/f ... 8db3eb.jpg
http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.ph ... 1321433187

Mi-24 with R-60 http://militaryrussia.ru/i/284/101/bULCC.jpg
http://forums.airforce.ru/attachment.ph ... 1321433187

Mi-24 with Igla and B-8V-20 (S-8) http://avialand.org/uploads/posts/2013- ... y-igla.jpg

Mi-28 with Igla-V, photo from IASS https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P7WO ... 100918.JPG

Mi-28N with Igla https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-gL97 ... G_0478.JPG

Ka-52 with Igla https://cs4.pikabu.ru/post_img/2016/05/ ... 284911.jpg

http://img12.nnm2.com/7/0/d/2/e/2e34ad8 ... d_prev.jpg

[KLAB]

Probably best let the DB editors decide on this one,

I would say the photos prove only that tests were carried out, not that the load was or is operational with AAM's or there was ever widespread training for the pilots
to use them.
Not saying they couldn't carry the missiles and that in a major war people wouldn't improvise adapt and overcome but why would an Mi-24 need AAM's in Afghanistan,
I am not aware the Mujahedeen had an air force and in hot and high conditions the Hind was already struggling for endurance?
That doesn't preclude that these photos were propaganda designed to put off marauding Pakistani AF F-16's of course.

Translation of the text with the photo's of the Mi-24 says that tests with the R-60 were not very successful due to performance of the R-60 at low altitude
and in very hot conditions,

One of the photos even has the caption:
Mi-24P board ¹04 with missiles R-60M before departure,
Afghanistan, Bagram, 1987 (file photo Marina Lipskaya, http://forums.airforce.ru ).
"Museum Art" - the R-60 under the Mi-24D on the guide ATGM. >>>>Technically such use of R-60 is not possible <<<<<( http://forums.airforce.ru ).

Mi-28/Ka-50/Ka-52 photos etc are actually from static air show displays and the Ka-52 at least is fitted with inert training rounds (i.e silver)

It would make for an interesting hypothetical load though.
Cheers.

[Filitch]

I am not aware the Mujahedeen had an air force and in hot and high conditions the Hind was already struggling for endurance?

It is not necessary to evaluate historical events from the position of after-knowledge

The field modification was carried out in autumn 1987 in Kandahar, where a dozen vehicles received two launching devices APU-60-1 (launching device) for the R-60 missiles. These missiles, created for close air combat, the helicopters were supposed to carry in case of a meeting with "Mujahid" aircraft and helicopters, the reports of whose flights from the Pakistani side appeared from time to time, but they did not was meeted. For air targets, the R-60 was intended for the left pylon, the right APU was tilted downwards so that its IR seeker could capture the ground hot target - a fire or a motor engine. According to the results of the P-60 tests on helicopters, however, it was known that missiles for similar air targets with low thermal contrast are not very effective and are capable of capturing a helicopter from 500-600 meters.

https://topwar.ru/21468-vertushki-afganistan-mi-24.html

another photo from Afghanistan http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?a ... 1436474823

So, this loadout is not more hypotetical than railguns and lasers mounted on Zumwalt. Not to mention the fact that there are in DB not a most of ordinary loadouts of Mi-24.

[VIF2NE]

DB3000
#2570 DBR-1
#2568 Tu-143
incorrect calculation of fuel, very small range of flight.

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: LtChris

Also the database doesn't include the naval versions of F-15 (F-15N-phx Sea Eagle) . It is basically the carrier capable version of the F-15C.

Detailed info?

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: GildedDawn

2 things:

First, I found an error in the database for the F-15E Strike Eagle, USAF 2016 AIM-120D. I assume the aircraft is supposed to be equipped with the AIM-9X, which it is on all loadouts except for "GBU-28C/B GPS/LGB [BLU-122B], Sniper XR Pod [FLIR]," which is equipped with the AIM-9M. I did not check if the error was present for other years.

Fixed, thanks!

[BDukes]

Please add Wing Long II for UAE

Satellite pictures @ Janes

http://www.janes.com/article/77379/uae- ... h-customer

Details

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogsp ... av-ii.html

https://www.armyrecognition.com/china_c ... 06174.html

http://www.deagel.com/Combat-Aircraft/W ... 40001.aspx

[BDukes]

Please add pylon upgrade to F-CK-1 Ching Kuo A/B. 4 Sky Sword 2 can now be carried

http://www.janes.com/article/76989/roca ... en-ii-aams

The Republic of China Air Force (RoCAF) has doubled the number of Tien Chien II (Sky Sword 2, TC-2) medium-range, radar-guided air-to-air missiles (AAMs) its Aerospace Industrial Development Corporation (AIDC) F-CK-1 Ching Kuo aircraft can carry as a result of a recently completed upgrade programme of the multirole fighter.

The programme, which began in 2009 and was completed in December 2017, upgraded the RoCAF’s fleet of 127 F-CK-1A single-seat fighters and F-CK-1B two-seat trainers into their respective F-CK-1C and F-CK-1D standards.

The move included various phases, the first one of which involved expanding the payload capacity of the F-CK-1, which is also known as the Indigenous Defense Fighter (IDF).

[BDukes]

Please adjust in service date for Spanish S-80 Submarine. Program was problematic 2017->2021

http://www.janes.com/article/77237/span ... submarines

[BDukes]

Please update Indonesian KCR-60M Sampari

Remove ASM and add Chinese 630 CIWS

http://www.janes.com/article/76931/indo ... pabilities

[TheOttoman]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

ORIGINAL: LtChris

Also the database doesn't include the naval versions of F-15 (F-15N-phx Sea Eagle) . It is basically the carrier capable version of the F-15C.

Detailed info?

I don't think it ever came out of design phase, and was ultimately walked away from in favor of the F-14

[BDukes]

Please Add Popeye Loadout for Israeli F-15D

[Mgellis]

Some information that may be helpful for a hypothetical version of the next generation frigate (please, please add this)...

from https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... ogram.html

...and...

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... siles.html

Austal "Austal Frigate"

Austal USA was showcasing the same scale model of the "Austal Frigate" which was rolled out last year at Sea Air Space 2017. But the Alabama-based shipyard showed us a poster (and brochures) showing an updated design reflecting the latest requirements from the U.S. Navy for FFG(X).

Compared to the Independence-class LCS (on which it is based), the "Austal Frigate" main modifications consist in a slightly shortened flight deck in order to fit anti-ship missile launchers and a variable depth sonar in order to add capabilities to the ship's aft. Compared to the early design unveiled last year, the latest design show that the 16x Mk41 VLS have been moved forward (just ahead of the bridge) and aft (at the edge of the flight deck). They used to placed on each side of the mast. The new design is fitted with Raytheon EASR radar as expected. The Remote Weapon Stations have been removed as there is currently no requirement for them. The newest design still shows the Thales CAPTAS-4 as the variable depth sonar. We were told this is to show that the Austal Frigate can accommodate the heaviest sonar option. The U.S. Navy still has to select the VDS for FFG(X). A Curtiss Wright / Raytheon VDS was selected for the LCS ASW mission module.

If selected for FFG(X), the Austal Frigate would be built at Austal USA's shipyard in Mobile, Alabama.

The (updated) Austal Frigate brochure reads: The Austal Frigate possesses increased lethality and high-speed shallow draft multi-mission combatant capabilities on a seaframe nearly identical to the Independence-variant Littoral Combat Ship. This ship’s ability to meet and exceed current US Navy requirements makes it one of the most cost-effective,maneuverable and flexible ships in the fleet.

Basic specification of the Austal Frigate (from Austal brochure):

Length:. 127.7 m
Beam: 31.7 m
Draught: 4.5 m
Displacement: 3,500 t
Top speed: >32 knots
Range: 4,300 nm @12 knots
Crew: Up to 130 sailors
Mission bay size: 7,000 square ft
Watercraft operations: 2x 7 meters RHIBS. Launch and recovery up to sea state 3
Flight operations: 1x H-60, up to sea state 5
Hangar:1x H-60 and 1x MQ-8C
Sensors: 3D search radar, 2x navigation radars, EO/IR fire control optics, variable depth sonar, multi-function towed array, electronic surveillance
Processing systems: COMBATSS 21 CMS, AN/SQQ-89 undersea warfare system, integrated bridge control system, automated machinery and damage control systems
Armament: SeaRAM, Mk110 57mm gun, 6x .50 cal guns, NULKA, 16x OTH missiles, 2x 25/30mm cannons, Helllfire AGM-114 missiles, torpedo countermeasures, 2x Mk41 launchers
Propulsion: 2x GE LM2500 gas turbines, 2x MTU 20V8000 diesel engines, 4x Wartsila steerabe, reversing waterjets.

[service dates: 2022- ] ???

[Grazyn]

The warhead on the Kanyon Status-6 carried on the Belgorod Oscar-class submarine should be 100 mT instead of 1 mT.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... ay-torpedo

https://www.defensenews.com/space/2018/ ... re-review/

http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis%20-%20 ... arine.html

[orca]

The new DB update adjusts many AESA radars including the AN/APG-77 on the F-22. Maybe I missed it but the AN/APG-77 AESA [NATF] on the F-24 range does not appear to have been correspondingly adjusted. I believe this hypothetical radar on the F-24 is essentially the same as that on the F-22 but with more power and thus more range. Can this be updated too?

[Vulcan607]

Haven't seen the Javelin and Javelin S15 Starburst manpads in game