Zum Angriff: Dinglir (Axis) v HardLuck - HardLuck, U2 are welcome

[Dinglir]

Turn thirtyfive.

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
Currently set to have about 80-100 squadrons of Il2's in 42. (lots of future IL2 squadrons are training in obsolete model aircraft in reserve)

I am being a little curious to find out, if my aircraft calculations are correct. Of course, you do not have to answer, but I would like to know, if the following numbers are correct(ish):

I-153BS: 106
Su-2: 57
IL-2: 409
U-2VS: 510

I also put you at about 3600 level bombers and 5900 non I-Type fighters...

[SparkleyTits]

5900 non I types ouch....

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
Currently set to have about 80-100 squadrons of Il2's in 42. (lots of future IL2 squadrons are training in obsolete model aircraft in reserve)

I am being a little curious to find out, if my aircraft calculations are correct. Of course, you do not have to answer, but I would like to know, if the following numbers are correct(ish):

I-153BS: 106
Su-2: 57
IL-2: 409
U-2VS: 510

I also put you at about 3600 level bombers and 5900 non I-Type fighters...

I-153BS = 106
Su-2 = 60 (I'm producing them again
Il-2 I won't give out but I will tell you that the number is not correct and not close either
U-2VS = 439 (lots of accidents in training. Russian have a knack of hitting the "BROAD" side of the barn with aircraft in training for some strange reason.

Your bombers are off by over 1,000 & non I-Type fighters are off by 1,000 too.

Hope this helps

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
U-2VS = 439 (lots of accidents in training. Russian have a knack of hitting the "BROAD" side of the barn with aircraft in training for some strange reason.

Very interesting.

I have gone over my formula again for U-2VS and corected it slightly. On turn one the soviets have 535 U-2VS, on turn two they produce 19, and on turn three 23. On turn three you relocated the factory as a present to the Axis. That is a total of 577 U-2VS produced. No units arrive with the aircraft and no upgrade path leads to it, so the total number of U-2VS for the entire game is 577 by my math.

My loss screen tells me that you have lost a total of 82 U-2VS, which should leave you with 495 aircraft of the type. Yet, you have only 439!

The only conclusion I can come by, is that the losses screen does not count all enemy aircraft lost. It probably makes sense that the Germans do not hear of U-2VS crashing in the Urals, but it does make my calculations of aircraft totals more or less pointless.

[Telemecus]

ORIGINAL: Dinglir
The only conclusion I can come by, is that the losses screen does not count all enemy aircraft lost. It probably makes sense that the Germans do not hear of U-2VS crashing in the Urals, but it does make my calculations of aircraft totals more or less pointless.

At least with my tracker I was after a game able to get access to the Soviet totals and find they were absolutely spot on. So I am pretty sure there are no unknown losses (Except for only one SB-2 that disappears on turn 2 that I understand is a game bug).

The only difficulty for the German side is making sure they have the right scenario data for arrivals, and that factory damage means you can sometimes only calculate an expected production.

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus
At least with my tracker I was after a game able to get access to the Soviet totals and find they were absolutely spot on. So I am pretty sure there are no unknown losses (Except for only one SB-2 that disappears on turn 2 that I understand is a game bug).

The only difficulty for the German side is making sure they have the right scenario data for arrivals, and that factory damage means you can sometimes only calculate an expected production.

the thing is that Soviet production of U-2VS in this game has been rather straightforward, as HardLuck gifted the production facilities to the Germans on turn three.

So I must be missing something, and I wonder what it is.

[Telemecus]

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

ORIGINAL: Telemecus
At least with my tracker I was after a game able to get access to the Soviet totals and find they were absolutely spot on. So I am pretty sure there are no unknown losses (Except for only one SB-2 that disappears on turn 2 that I understand is a game bug).

The only difficulty for the German side is making sure they have the right scenario data for arrivals, and that factory damage means you can sometimes only calculate an expected production.

the thing is that Soviet production of U-2VS in this game has been rather straightforward, as HardLuck gifted the production facilities to the Germans on turn three.

So I must be missing something, and I wonder what it is.

I'd be happy to PM you my tracker - you can use just the lines for U2VS. You might see something there you forgot to add in? If it still works in the wrong way I would want to work out what was missing too?

[M60A3TTS]

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
U-2VS = 439 (lots of accidents in training. Russian have a knack of hitting the "BROAD" side of the barn with aircraft in training for some strange reason.

Very interesting.

I have gone over my formula again for U-2VS and corected it slightly. On turn one the soviets have 535 U-2VS, on turn two they produce 19, and on turn three 23. On turn three you relocated the factory as a present to the Axis. That is a total of 577 U-2VS produced. No units arrive with the aircraft and no upgrade path leads to it, so the total number of U-2VS for the entire game is 577 by my math.

My loss screen tells me that you have lost a total of 82 U-2VS, which should leave you with 495 aircraft of the type. Yet, you have only 439!

The only conclusion I can come by, is that the losses screen does not count all enemy aircraft lost. It probably makes sense that the Germans do not hear of U-2VS crashing in the Urals, but it does make my calculations of aircraft totals more or less pointless.

I'm not saying this is the cause, but keep in mind that sometimes aircraft are not produced due to supply shortages.

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
I'm not saying this is the cause, but keep in mind that sometimes aircraft are not produced due to supply shortages.

That could be interesting.

However, I do not think this specific problem lies in the math - after all, U-2VS production for the first three turns is fairly straight forward. I have taken the losses from the loss report in game, so that is fairly certain to. I am just baffled.

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
I'm not saying this is the cause, but keep in mind that sometimes aircraft are not produced due to supply shortages.

That is true. But unfortunately, I do not think HardLuck has run out of supplies by turn three in our game...[;)]

[Dinglir]

Turn thirtysix.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
I'm not saying this is the cause, but keep in mind that sometimes aircraft are not produced due to supply shortages.

That is true. But unfortunately, I do not think HardLuck has run out of supplies by turn three in our game...[;)]

Dinglir,

Give me the numbers for 41 & I will check again for you. On the U-2's I may have not added what was in the pool and I was looking at current turn. But just to be on the safe side lets do the numbers for turn 41.

UV-2S = Built =34, in Pool = 46 on planes at the moment = 438 Total UV-2S = 481. Give me the other planes and I will give you the totals this time. Hope this helps.

***** So I could have been the problem with your calculations****

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
UV-2S = Built =34, in Pool = 46 on planes at the moment = 438 Total UV-2S = 481. Give me the other planes and I will give you the totals this time. Hope this helps.

It helps a lot.

The Soviets start turn one with 535 U-2VS in pool and prooduction numbers at a total of 15 on four individual factories, each with an expansion rate of one. I have added that up to a total production of 19 on turn two and 23 on turn three (before you gifted the U-2VS to me).

That should have given you a total of 577 U-2VS in this game totally. With current losses (turn 41) noted at 82, that should give you a total of 495 U-2VS at the end of turn 41. Your total at the beginning of turn 42, ie after Soviet logistics phase, is 484. (pool + in Air Groups from your numbers above). Or so it should have been, by my math so far.

One of my assumptions I have just checked, and have proved wrong, was that I have assumed that production happens AFTER expansion, while it appear to happen before (and no Soviet production on turn one either). Thus your built numbers for turn two is 15 and for turn three is 19 (instead of 19 and 23, respectively). That gives you a total production of eight less U-2VS aircraft than my formula has told me. So you total production for the game should be 487 instead of 495.

So, provided you have lost three U-2VS in the logistics phase of turn 42, I can now correct my formula to be spot on.

Thanks, I really appreciate you giving out info you do not have to share at all.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
UV-2S = Built =34, in Pool = 46 on planes at the moment = 438 Total UV-2S = 481. Give me the other planes and I will give you the totals this time. Hope this helps.

It helps a lot.

The Soviets start turn one with 535 U-2VS in pool and prooduction numbers at a total of 15 on four individual factories, each with an expansion rate of one. I have added that up to a total production of 19 on turn two and 23 on turn three (before you gifted the U-2VS to me).

That should have given you a total of 577 U-2VS in this game totally. With current losses (turn 41) noted at 82, that should give you a total of 495 U-2VS at the end of turn 41. Your total at the beginning of turn 42, ie after Soviet logistics phase, is 484. (pool + in Air Groups from your numbers above). Or so it should have been, by my math so far.

One of my assumptions I have just checked, and have proved wrong, was that I have assumed that production happens AFTER expansion, while it appear to happen before (and no Soviet production on turn one either). Thus your built numbers for turn two is 15 and for turn three is 19 (instead of 19 and 23, respectively). That gives you a total production of eight less U-2VS aircraft than my formula has told me. So you total production for the game should be 487 instead of 495.

So, provided you have lost three U-2VS in the logistics phase of turn 42, I can now correct my formula to be spot on.

Thanks, I really appreciate you giving out info you do not have to share at all.

You are welcome. Did you need to check any more of the planes you had in question?

[HardLuckYetAgain]

Light tanks seem to be doing ok. Saving the tank Divisions has its bonuses I would guess.

[Dinglir]

Turn thirtyseven.

[Dinglir]

Turn thirtyeight.

[Dinglir]

turn thirtynine.

[Mamluke]

hope you haven't given up on us [;)]