VERNICHTUNGSKRIEG!!!!! (War of Extermination) HLYA (AXIS) vs M60 (Soviet) (M60 welcome)

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

ORIGINAL: Mamluke
I though you would advice putting all those BF 110 for night missions, I mean as long as they are facing unescorted bombers, they should do a good job right?

The key point being not in range of, or able to be brought into, Soviet fighter sweeps.

Aye, that is bloody darn right too. But I have been working on Soviet CAP zerging too. I think I have a theory that may work but I need to further test it out. Unless of course another on the forums have a good one they would like to share.

To me Soviet CAP zerging isn't that bad in my opinion & normally is controlled with the amount of aircraft flown and the distance by Soviets. To be honest I like it when the Soviets do this because of the fatigue and morale loss to the Soviets. The Germans just need to set their settings to, if you will, "to FISH" out enough kills without fatiguing themselves.

[leverkuhn]

Enjoying this thread like a baby. [:)]

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: leverkuhn

Enjoying this thread like a baby. [:)]

I was actually considering about closing my AAR down. I don't know for certain yet but it is a possibility. I do know for sure that I am busy Tuesday-Thursday of this week so I won't be posting much over the next couple of days.

[Telemecus]

Definitely please no close down! I am waiting in eager anticipation of your new ideas you have hinted at.

I understand that an AAR is a big commitment so appreciate that you may need to tailor how much you can do. But please do not close down entirely. Your fans will be inconsolable!

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Definitely please no close down! I am waiting in eager anticipation of your new ideas you have hinted at.

I understand that an AAR is a big commitment so appreciate that you may need to tailor how much you can do. But please do not close down entirely. Your fans will be inconsolable!

Thank you. I should have updates later this afternoon after I finish my turn on both of my games.

[Tomcat84]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

Definitely please no close down! I am waiting in eager anticipation of your new ideas you have hinted at.

I understand that an AAR is a big commitment so appreciate that you may need to tailor how much you can do. But please do not close down entirely. Your fans will be inconsolable!

What he said!

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

I can say that the Alt Combat is making combat for me extremely easy by taking out all the guesswork you would have without it. Take for instance this PZ division in the picture (which is at 82% TOE by the way. I know it is 68 CV no if ands or buts about it. Easy to do the odds on hasty attacks with that info. I'm just saying. So It is making my attacks more deadly since I can pretty much know what is going to succeed about 98% of the time now. But lets continue.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3 rail in the North

Pretty easy to look for as the Soviets, I'm providing it free of charge. Yes, I got a 7 hex leg on the north leg of the rail. I will get a 7 hex leg on the south rail next turn. I will use the 3rd FBD to make the rail lines redundant here in a few turns.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

The old saying of, "History doesn't repeat itself but it sure does rhyme" came to mind as I am posting this. Lets take a look back to a snapshot of M60 and my game over a year ago. This is a snippet of turn 4 of that game. See I LOVE attacking the Land Bridge.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

Fast forward to present day game after looking at the previous snap shot.

After looking at the frontage and seeing that there was no Soviet fighter covering the area and Soviet bombers aren't flying I decided to go for broke turn 3. I was just praying that Zhukov wasn't in charge of the units at the land bridge. After the first combat, he wasn't!!!! Thank gawd!!! So M60 has a decision to make now of what to do with open terrain behind him except a few trees. I do have Infantry on the front line now too & next turn as all know 3/4's of them will be there. Will be interested to see what M60 does.

Well history didn't repeat but it does look similar. Only thing is is it is turn 3 instead of turn 4 this game.

[EwaldvonKleist]

Thanks for the AAR HLYA.
Always interested in logistics, I would appreciate some commentary on this matter. How was your use of HQ BUs before the patch and how is it now? Where do you concentrate your transports?

Your Panzers must have quite some MP in T3 as the attack against the land bridge surely required some attacks and there was at least one ZOC to ZOC move to be done.
Is there a chance to get an overview map each turn? I know own exp that putting all this images on the forum takes some time, but you IIRC you play on a very high resolution map so an overview map can be made quite easily.
Of course understandable if this sucks up too much time.
Regards

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

Thanks for the AAR HLYA.
Always interested in logistics, I would appreciate some commentary on this matter. How was your use of HQ BUs before the patch and how is it now? Where do you concentrate your transports?

Your Panzers must have quite some MP in T3 as the attack against the land bridge surely required some attacks and there was at least one ZOC to ZOC move to be done.
Is there a chance to get an overview map each turn? I know own exp that putting all this images on the forum takes some time, but you IIRC you play on a very high resolution map so an overview map can be made quite easily.
Of course understandable if this sucks up too much time.
Regards

Believe it or not I did not do a HQ buildup. It was straight up movement. So far up to turn 3 there have been no HQ buildups. I'm thinking of one possible this turn but havent decided yet. The units that went from ZOC to ZOC had 28 & 49 mps respectivly and high morale. I also don't have my JU-52's deployed, believe it or not. I really don't start using them until later turns. Ya, call me stubborn on that front and I know what I am missing out on. But I try and tax myself to see what I can get out of units without a crutch if you will.

[EwaldvonKleist]

Thanks for your answer. Your approach as stated in your old aar was quite scripted during the first turn, did you also have a kind of HQ BU-script for the early turns?

Something like "do HQ BUs on 2 of the 4 Pz. Corps in the center"?
Also, on which way are you doing your HQ BUs? You have set up some detailed rules for your Soviet play (re unit selection), do you use similiar heuristics for this matter?
Hope this doesn't touch confidential information

[DeletedUser1769703214]

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

Thanks for your answer. Your approach as stated in your old aar was quite scripted during the first turn, did you also have a kind of HQ BU-script for the early turns?

Something like "do HQ BUs on 2 of the 4 Pz. Corps in the center"?
Also, on which way are you doing your HQ BUs? You have set up some detailed rules for your Soviet play (re unit selection), do you use similiar heuristics for this matter?
Hope this doesn't touch confidential information

No, feel free to ask any question you want . HQ BU's depends on the situation I see in front of me more than anything and my goals. You will laugh if M60 describes the Land bridge battle on what happened. Which I'm sure he will. But the contributing factor was free to air bombardment and ground air support, my leader, and his leader. There were no random events to worry about except for Reserve activation. But with reserve activation, you just bring enough force and the defender stays home, literally.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

I was not able to initiate my Air base setup . The reason was I needed the bombers I had on hand to assist with creating a pocket. So I will probably take horrid losses since the bombers are fatigued to HIGH heaven . Oh well. See if I can do the setup on turn 4, unless M60 gives me another opportunity, but I don't think he will.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

M60 did do 4 bombing raid against my partial South airfields setup this turn (no AA, no Germans and not placed correctly). I wasn't flying any Germans at night thus relying on the small squadrons of the Rumanians to provide night cover. Loses are proportional to squadron size and small squadrons at night do very nice damage. I'm kinda proud what the Rumanians did to be honest. The Rumanians were guarding my Army bases stacked high with Recon planes. 3 recon bases with 8 squadrons each on them. So the damage done wasn't that bad along with the Rumanians doing pretty good damage back and gaining experience. Win - win imo. Soooooo far. Once I get the AA set up and the German Swarms here we should be doing 30-40 Soviet aircraft per run to 0-3 German/Rumanian. But here are some snap shots. (Again turn 4 could be bad up north because I fatigued the Germans bad)

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

Another night bombing raid 2 of 4

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

Another night bombing raid 3 of 4. Without AA & the Germans it is a bit rough to look at. But on the previous picture did shoot down 4 for 0 lost . And these (2) IAR 80A took out 7. Kinda makes my pee pee hard ;-P

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

Another night bombing raid 4 of 4. Again no AA yet in the Area . But as you can see if the Rumanians can do it the Germans can do it better. And the BF-110 swarms are freaking nuts in my test at night. But then again lets see this play out but may be a turn or two more before any of this comes to fruition. I'm just not expecting good results from my poor setup up north on those airfields. Here is 9 IAR 80A taking out 10. Give those guys a medal . So "size" matters at night (I can hear what you all are thinking, behave now). So far the smaller swarms are pretty effective along with the small size of the Rumanian squadrons. Lets see if it holds up. Again, those Army airfields were stacked 3 high and 8 units each.

[DeletedUser1769703214]

Turn 3

OOB