The Accidental War Obvert vs Lowpe

[Lowpe]

Japanese shipping sunk by Dutch and Soviet subs...

[jwolf]

In the case of the 2 cruisers, were they already crippled and the subs just finished them?

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: paullus99

It has been quite some time since I've seen so many working early-war torpedoes.

The issue is that with the SOV activated, there are almost 2x the number of subs with good torps able to interdict sealanes of value.
And early game IJ ASW is worse than bad until you have enough pilots with NavSearch/ASW skill trained up.

[Lowpe]

June 21, 1942

Very poor gunnery exhibited by the IJN...

[Lowpe]

More poor gunnery...this is near Malaya

[Lowpe]

Daytime engagement, and then the IJN retreats back to Saigon to reload.

50% of the task forces torps are expended, only one total hit which was a dud.

[Lowpe]

Allied bombers don't fly...but the Allies probe IJA lines.

[Lowpe]

And a little further north...

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: jwolf

In the case of the 2 cruisers, were they already crippled and the subs just finished them?

I seem to recall one of those cruisers eating 7 or more torpedoes before going down.

[Lowpe]

The AKE was hit yesterday...and burned up today.

One Catalina lost during the day. No Japanese air losses.

[Lowpe]

June 23, 1942

Well, a poor day for Japan, as Allies surge their Navy up the Malaya coast on both sides with horrible bombardments. 200 planes lost, about 20 Vals and Kates get thru to bomb the raiding ABDA fleet and all miss. Allies lose about 20 planes.

Coordinated with a heavy ABDA bombing run.

3 Allied destroyers sunk, 1 DMS maybe more there...but a heavy, coordinated strike.

Marine Raiders land at Groot, but there is some elements of the 11th Garrison there.

[Lowpe]

Got the wrong turn from the Allies...with three games going this happens.

Allied bombardments are always super strong. Three runways closed...plenty of units to absorb the bombardments, even the Wake CD unit at one base, 500 plus mines, all to really no avail.

[Lowpe]

The really great bombardment...

Naval bombardment of Kota Bharu at 51,75

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 16 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 6 destroyed on ground
F1M2 Pete: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-57-I Topsy: 51 damaged
Ki-57-I Topsy: 10 destroyed on ground
A6M3 Zero: 30 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 7 destroyed on ground
Ki-57-II Topsy: 13 damaged
Ki-57-II Topsy: 2 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 33 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 7 destroyed on ground
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 29 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 16 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
L3Y2 Tina: 5 damaged
L3Y2 Tina: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-30 Ann: 12 damaged
Ki-30 Ann: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CA Exeter
CA Devonshire
CA Canberra
CL Glasgow
CL Mauritius

Japanese ground losses:
1069 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 61 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 36 (5 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (4 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 62

Walrus II acting as spotter for CA Exeter
CA Exeter firing at Kota Bharu
CA Devonshire firing at Kota Bharu
CA Canberra firing at Kota Bharu
CL Glasgow firing at Kota Bharu
Walrus II acting as spotter for CL Mauritius
CL Mauritius firing at 21st Division

[Lowpe]

More results...


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Amphibious Assault at Groot Natoena (57,83)

TF 454 troops unloading over beach at Groot Natoena, 57,83 Contested, some garrison troopers are here defending



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TF 95 encounters mine field at Kuantan (51,79) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

10 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Banckert, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
DD Stuart, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DMS Boggs
DMS Boggs firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
1 mine cleared Around 500 smallish mines present


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TF 162 encounters mine field at Kuantan (51,79) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

93 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Chandler, Shell hits 4, on fire
DMS Lamberton, Shell hits 4, on fire

Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DMS Chandler
DMS Chandler firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DMS Lamberton
DMS Lamberton firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
11 mines cleared


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TF 187 encounters mine field at Kuantan (51,79) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

88 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Trevor, Shell hits 3, on fire
DMS Hovey, Shell hits 1

Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DMS Trevor
DMS Trevor firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DMS Hovey
DMS Hovey firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
15 mines cleared


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Night Naval bombardment of Kuantan at 51,79 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

38 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Capetown
CL Ceres
DMS Boggs, Shell hits 2, heavy fires

CL Capetown firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CL Capetown
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at CL Ceres
CL Ceres firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DMS Boggs
DMS Boggs firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion



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Night Naval bombardment of Kuantan at 51,79 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

98 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DMS Trevor, Shell hits 1 Typical Japanese Gunnery exhibited here
DMS Hovey

Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DMS Trevor
DMS Trevor firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at DMS Hovey


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Night Naval bombardment of Iloilo at 79,84

Japanese Ships
CL Kashima Training cruisers trying to find some P40s
CL Katori

Resources hits 1
Manpower hits 2
Fires 227
Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 10
Port hits 8
Port supply hits 5

E7K2 Alf acting as spotter for CL Kashima
CL Kashima firing at Iloilo
CL Katori firing at Iloilo


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Night Naval bombardment of Kuantan at 51,79 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB Resolution
BB Ramillies
BB Royal Sovereign
BB Revenge

Japanese ground losses:
307 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 9
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 1

Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at BB Resolution
BB Resolution firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at BB Ramillies
BB Ramillies firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
BB Royal Sovereign firing at Wake Coastal Gun Battalion
Wake Coastal Gun Battalion firing at BB Royal Sovereign
BB Revenge firing at Kuantan


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TF 272 encounters mine field at Kuantan (51,79)

Allied Ships
BB Resolution, Mine hits 1



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TF 272 encounters mine field at Kuantan (51,79)

Allied Ships
DD Electra, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage



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Day Time Surface Combat, near Kota Bharu at 51,75, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Yamakaze
DD Murakumo, Shell hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
CA Canberra
CA Devonshire
CA Exeter
CL Mauritius
CL Glasgow
DD Bagley
DD Downes
DD Cassin
DD Arrow
DD Fortune



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TF 272 encounters mine field at Kuantan (51,79)

Allied Ships
DD Norman, Mine hits 1, heavy damage



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TF 272 encounters mine field at Kuantan (51,79)

Allied Ships
DD Express
BB Revenge, Mine hits 1

2 mines cleared


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Naval bombardment of Taiping at 49,75

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 41 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 21 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M3 Zero: 82 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 6 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CA Northampton
CA Portland
CL Boise

Japanese ground losses:
327 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 19 (9 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (4 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 56

CA Northampton firing at Taiping
CA Portland firing at Taiping
SOC-1 Seagull acting as spotter for CL Boise
CL Boise firing at Taiping



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Naval bombardment of Taiping at 49,75

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 30 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 destroyed on ground
A6M3 Zero: 34 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 12 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Astoria
CA Louisville

Japanese ground losses:
252 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20

CA Astoria firing at Taiping
CA Louisville firing at Taiping

[witpqs]

During the replay, did you get an idea of how close in the bombardment came? For a BB to hit a mine usually means they got close.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

During the replay, did you get an idea of how close in the bombardment came? For a BB to hit a mine usually means they got close.

Unfortunately, not. I was so pressed for time, and running late in doing the turn, I fast forwarded thru everything...which really adversely effects your gameplay.

Perhaps with the turn screwup, I have time to re-watch the replay this morning.

[Lowpe]

ABDA Forces attack here on the road to northern Malaya.

I think a Tank Regiment will show up to bolster the line tomorrow, and the 21st Division is fully on trains headed here but their information shows them moving 92 miles which is definitely not how the rails run...so I bet they get totally screwed up at the station.



Ground combat at Taiping (49,75)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10547 troops, 197 guns, 308 vehicles, Assault Value = 445

Defending force 6779 troops, 119 guns, 21 vehicles, Assault Value = 190

Allied adjusted assault: 299

Japanese adjusted defense: 255

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
232 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 58 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Assaulting units:
6th Cav Recce Regiment
2/5th Armoured Regiment
754th Tank Battalion
2/2nd Pioneer Battalion
18th Australian Brigade
2/7th Armoured Regiment
Kowloon Brigade
2/9th Fld RAA Regiment
2/11th Fld RAA Regiment
97th Field Artillery Battalion
2/13th Fld RAA Regiment
2/2nd Hy AA Regiment
IV Indian Corps /1

Defending units:
Sasebo 5th SNLF
6th RTA/A Division
21st Div /1
5th RF Gun Battalion
9th Field Construction Battalion
12th Base Force

[witpqs]

the 21st Division is fully on trains headed here but their information shows them moving 92 miles which is definitely not how the rails run...so I bet they get totally screwed up at the station.

The 'miles to move' display always shows 'as the crow flies' distance.

[ny59giants]

The experience levels for some of the Allied warships should be getting scary good with all their bombardments he is doing.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

The experience levels for some of the Allied warships should be getting scary good with all their bombardments he is doing.

Unfortunately the turn got screwed up and Obvert needs to redo some of it...

Yep, Allied force experience is very high.